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Disabled candidate could never be president today?


They said on last night's episode that the press was respectful about FDR's "request" no photos be taken of him getting in or out of a car, or any other image or report of anything that would expose to the public the true extent of his disability. The same historian (I think it may have been the bearded, emotional guy) said the media today would never cooperate like that, so a candidate as disabled as FDR was would never be elected to the Office of the President in a contemporary election.

I'm not sure I agree. Imagine going back to FDR's time and telling him that within 70 years an African American man would become president, and there would be two presidential elections with a woman as candidate for VP. Imagine telling him women have run for president and be taken seriously? Imagine telling him that same-sex couples would be marrying legally in a majority of states, and would be able to marry in all states in a little more time.

I bet he'd have a hard time believing it. I bet just about anyone you told back then would too. The point is, times have changed dramatically since then, and they continue to. There will always be people with ignorant ideas about progressive social change, but I think the majority of Americans today are much more tolerant of and open-minded to viewing "minorities" and women as equals, with the capability to serve in government, or even to lead. I'm not so sure a person in a wheelchair, or with some other disability, couldn't be elected to office.

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I would hope that's true also (that a disabled person could be president). I think the bearded emotional man may be disabled himself? One got that impression during the polio episode.

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My feeling is that they were saying that it would hard for a disabled person to be elected because the fanatic press would focus on the disability to the exclusion of everything else.

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Piperson. You are right. I believe that is a large part of what the man meant.
It is almost incredible today to imagine the press being that self-restrained. They actually repected Roosevelts wishes regarding filming or writing about his most awkward moments.

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Oh, ITA the media today would never sit on on something like that...they would never defer to anyone in politics that way. They care much too much for getting the story---any story--to be discreet like that. Look how bad the media got on John McCain about not making all his medical records public--and on Romney about his tax returns. The old guard press was like this too with JFK about his notorious womanizing. All the press was well aware of his affairs and general stepping out on his wife, but they conspired to keep that private. That would never happen today. It was the "Old Boys' Club" in those days.

Getting back to a disabled person running for office and the possibilities for his/her election today, though: it's probably true FDR wouldn't have had a prayer for getting voted in office at the time had the public known the true extent of his disability. I guess my point was, not only would the media not keep the secret, I really think times have changed enough that the simple fact of a candidate's disability wouldn't be an insurmountable stigma to election. As long as the candidate was otherwise healthy, appeared hearty and hale and came across as having a strong command of the issues, I think the American people could be persuaded to support that candidate. I got the sense from that historian that both the media wouldn't keep the secret today and that a candidate as physically impaired as was FDR could never be elected in the present-day culture. I seriously question the latter.

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I am afraid not.
You and others on this page are more enlightened than most. The sad fact is that to most of the great unwashed masses who actually vote, handicapped = ignorant and undereducated.

JFK would have been just as damaged by his health issues (Graves Disease and chronic back problems requiring lots of medication) as he would have been hurt for his womanizing. IMO

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Ahem...JFK was president over 50 years ago. Lots has happened since then. For one thing, many laws have been enacted since then protecting minorities and women in venues like the workplace, housing, education and in the military. Civil rights laws has made society open its eyes and minds to the injustice of inequality and discrimination. There's a lot more public awareness and more enlightened understandings of these things. They see other people differently than they used to. I think the public could be ready for a president with a disability.

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You are right.
Civil Rights Laws and Disability Rights Laws have changed eveyones mind.
There is no discrimination in America anymore.

Let's all get together and sing Kumbaya.

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What's your story, dude? Did you sit in your grumpy chair today?

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In those days media hacks didn't dig through your garbage and steal your medical records. Now they do.

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My feeling is that they were saying that it would hard for a disabled person to be elected because the fanatic press would focus on the disability to the exclusion of everything else.

Yes this ^^^^^^

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Geoffrey Ward? If you noticed, he got particularly emotional while discussing FDR's polio and recovery. Ward himself is a polio survivor, having contracted it at about 10 years of age. I can't say for certain, but he, too, might be confined to a wheelchair.

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Ronald Reagan's mental debilitation during much of his presidency, a far more serious situation than FDR's physical paralysis, was an open secret in the press.



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Ronald Reagan's mental debilitation during much of his presidency, a far more serious situation than FDR's physical paralysis, was an open secret in the press.


Not so. Do you think Sam Donaldson wouldn't have wanted to mount Reagan's head on his mantle?

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Makes you wonder how Donaldson was made to keep his mouth shut about it.



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It was a fine line in Reagans second term. Senility cannot be photographed. Many presidents had memory lapses. The spin doctors were in fifth gear.

It seemed like an open secret at the time, but whoa-be-tide the reporter who wrote or spoke of it. Donaldson may have wanted Reagans head, but he liked his job and he knew that Nancy would have had him banished him from the White House press room if he had reported that the president was incompetent.

There is freedom of the press and then there is access. Two different things. You can say or write anything you want, but a WH press pass is a privelege handed out by the administration.

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Are you kidding? W. Bush was (and still is?) mentally challenged and he was elected - Twice! He could just barely complete a sentence.


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Ronald Reagan was obviously mentally ill. The people who surrounded him knew his condition well. Obviously the media kept it under wraps and we were treated to another 4 years of his incompetent presidency.

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That's a bit of an overstatement, I'd say. You may abhor Ronald Reagan, and I was no fan of his either, but it's incorrect to say he was mentally ill. He was a lightweight intellectually, he had very weak grasp of the intricacies of domestic and world affairs, the economy, history, and most else, except Hollywood. He was probably already impacted by Alzheimer's in his second term at least, and he seemed like an easy touch to manipulate. I think those around him were on to that and no doubt played on it to their full advantage. Mental illness is something very different, though. There's a world of difference between mental illness and being kind of dumb and gullible. Reagan was certainly the latter, but there's nothing he did that suggests he was mentally ill. Richard Nixon was more mentally ill than Ronald Reagan.

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Not mentally ill as in delusional and paranoid (like Nixon), but so many signs
pointed to his mental deficits over the years. All recent presidents made klutzy
mistakes, from President Ford's frequent clumsy falls, to George H.W.'s vomiting
on the Japanese prime minister, to George W.s' choking on a pretzel, to that time
Clinton tripped in the Oval Office and fell into an intern. Those were all covered
and often joked about in the press. But not only were Reagan's odd behaviors more
frequent, they were seldom joked about and instead often whitewashed. These include:

The attempted assassination in 1981, when he wasn't aware he'd been shot;

A period of several weeks during his first term when he disappeared from
public view for several weeks, supposedly because of some kind of terrorist
threat against his life;

The constant presence of Nancy Reagan at his side, who generally answered
questions posed by reporters instead of letting her husband speak;

A reporter asked him how he felt about getting a piece of legislation
passed; he responded, not with words (Nancy wasn't there), but by drawing
a smiley face picture of himself and holding it up;

Falling asleep during meetings with prominent world figures;

His radio program in which he jokingly announced that he would begin
bombing the Soviet Union in a matter of minutes, because he didn't realize his mike was on;

His forgetting of the names of the members of his Cabinet;

His use of cue cards during his press conferences--all Presidents use
teleprompters, but he needed every word of his small talk ("Hello, Sam,
how are you?") written out for him;

The Presidents' medical reports are generally released to the public,
with the doctors unafraid to point out that a President may be in good
or very good health, with a touch of arthritis, hearing loss, high blood
pressure, etc. In Reagan's case, the doctors would just claim that he
was in "amazing" health. Hmmm....

Press conferences which often degenerated into reminiscences about old
movies, which Reagan would confuse with reality: his claims that incidents he'd seen in old WWII movies had really happened, and that in the past, married couples really did all sleep in double beds like in the movies
(why was he even talking about this in press conferences, anyway?);

His memories about how he'd helped to liberate the Nazi concentration camps while he'd been in the military (he hadn't actually been there, but he remembered it, so it must have happened);

Did Reagan play golf with the frequency of other modern Presidents? I only
remember him at his ranch, riding his horse with Nancy and constantly chopping
wood and clearing brush (highlighted to show how manly and vigorous he still was, I guess). Golf being a more social activity, in which he would have to engage in chitchat with others without the presence of Nancy doing his talking for him, he might have been kept occupied with more private pursuits, such as the chopping wood thing.

There were many, many other instances where something seemed not right.









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I have got to respond to a least a few of those comments:

His radio program in which he jokingly announced that he would begin
bombing the Soviet Union in a matter of minutes, because he didn't realize his mike was on;

That was great! Showed the Soviet Union he was truly out to win the Cold War. Unlike his predecessors who only wanted to play-for-a-tie.


The attempted assassination in 1981, when he wasn't aware he'd been shot;

He said he thought the pain he felt was from the Secret Service agent pushing down on the floor of the car when they hustled him away. He never seemed unaware of what was going on or being in pain.


A period of several weeks during his first term when he disappeared from
public view for several weeks, supposedly because of some kind of terrorist
threat against his life;

I followed his administration very carefully, I need a source for this one???


His memories about how he'd helped to liberate the Nazi concentration camps while he'd been in the military


No, that is simply not true. Besides, use your sense of reality. If he had said that, would we really have to be reminded of it via an IMDb posting? That would still be front page news. I suspect you know better???

Did Reagan play golf with the frequency of other modern Presidents? I only remember him at his ranch, riding his horse with Nancy and constantly chopping wood and clearing brush (highlighted to show how manly and vigorous he still was, I guess). Golf being a more social activity,

What do you mean "only remember". Golf is first and foremost walking around the yard hitting a little white ball. How you can "spin" the vigorous activities Reagan engaged in and place golf, which Shaw (or Twain) once said "spoils a fine walk", as a superior action? That is just crazy.

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Sorry, my fault: He didn't claim to personally engage in hand-to-hand combat with the Nazis in order to liberate the camps. What he did claim is that he was
in the Signal Corps at the time, when he visited Buchenwald at the time of its
liberation and helped film the conditions at the camps. Simply untrue; he never
left Hollywood through the duration of WWII, and his only conncection to Nazis was
when he visited a German cemetery during his administration and placed a wreath
on a memorial for Nazi soldiers. For his Signal Corps claim, one source:

http://www.salon.com/2010/05/20/bushreagan

There are several other sources that report this. And it wasn't front page news
for the simple reason that Reagan's incapacitation was not widely reported by the press.

The joke about bombing the Soviet Union didn't indicate his toughness about
"winning" the Cold War. The Soviet Union was on the verge of collapse since 1980,
due more to the Solidarity movement in Poland, the Pope's opposition, and the crumbling economy of the Soviet Union at the time. With or without Reagan's inane
posturing, its collapse was all but inevitable. Reagan's joke was irresponsible
and childlike, and his goofiness was just another indication of his state of mind.

Beginning as early as 1981, Reagan's press conferences were few and far between. For a more accurate timeline, see The Clothes Have No Emperor:
A Chronicle of the American 80s
by Paul Slansky, which provides the dates
of his relatively rare press conferences and the memory lapses, off-topic
stories about old movies, and lame jokes that took place during these events.
It also provides a rundown of Reagan's other odd comments, detachment, and
reluctance to even feign an interest in world events.

Yeah, golf is a ridiculous little game. But politicians love to get together and play for the sake of networking, shooting the bull, etc. Reagan didn't, preferring to disappear to
his ranch, from which the same reports about his activities there would be
headline news in the media: "CHOPPED LOGS, SAWING WOOD" accompanied by a photo
of Reagan grimacing with a saw in his hand.



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You have got to be kidding with that Conason article.

He claims Reagan said that comment was his pretext to question Reagan's mental state 7 different times in a 500 word opinion piece.

For good measure, in the last paragraph, he mentions that the White House press corps were basically asleep and living off press releases, just in case someone questions why this was not known by others.

A man who gets paid to give his opinions, in a political periodical like Salon, a liberal, excuse me, progressive magazine, not hired to record/tell the news, is probably not your best source. Especially when he has an axe to grind.

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Don't like that source? Okay, check out all the other sources for "Ronald Reagan
Signal Corps claim."



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I'm in your camp MdmBadenov no fan of Reagan but to say he was mentally ill is not merely an overstatement its just plain incorrect. I had a long conversation with a man who had been on some board or other long before his national politics days and the man (not a fan either) said he was one of those people you might disagree with but couldn't help liking. As he described him, "a likable dunce."

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I would actually go out on a limb and say that a severely handicapped person would be very unlikely to get the nomination let alone win the Presidency. Its a shame too because such a person might be a great mind and a great leader. It certainly would be interesting though to see how an opponent would handle such a contest. Chris Christie's weight will be an issue if he runs and of course it shouldn't be but in the real world in would.

Did you see those images of Taft? God he was huge.

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I agree with them. NO. Unfortunate it is, but no. Times have changed but we aren't there yet.

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The current governor of Texas, Greg Abbott, is confined to a wheelchair, the result of an accident several decades ago. He has made no attempt to hide this during his twenty years as a successful Texas politician, but I have yet to see any television or still photographs of him being moved from car to wheelchair, or even being pushed in his wheelchair.
Abbott has been governor only since January 2015 so he hasn't yet succumbed to the lure of the White House, but that happens to many successful Texas politicians. George W. Bush. Rick Perry. Ted Cruz. Lyndon Johnson. John Connally. Should he succumb to that lure I don't see the press coverage changing. A wheelchair just isn't that big an issue any more.

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