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watching season 1 and have one big issue


If nothing else, this anime seems to depict pacifists as mindless and retarded people.

Here we have an entity that does not communicate and has only one aim - to destroy humanity and then we have the supposed pacifists saying that 'if we disarm, they'll let us go'.

It makes me wonder if this anime has an agenda to teach the youth of the futility and stupidity of pacifism, by depicting pacifists as mentally retarded.

Japan has long embraced pacifism after WW2, but I wonder if things are changing now.

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Here we have an entity that does not communicate and has only one aim - to destroy humanity and then we have the supposed pacifists saying that 'if we disarm, they'll let us go'.


It is never established that the Gauna have destroying humanity as a goal. It could be a coincidence! It is also never stated that it is a single goal. Do Gauna attack only humans? If they encounter other life, do they leave it alone? This has been a deliberate choice of the story, that only getting one side of the story, we can only guess about the Gauna.

As for the pacifists, they were revealed to be not without their reasons. It turned out that they were right about Gauna being attracted to kabi weapons - although that was not the whole story. Also, their original charter/goal was Sidonia as a seed/colonizatiopn vessel. It was >six-hundred years< before they had a single victory against the Gauna! And 100 years prior to the time of the story, Ochiai's experiments in devising Gauna weapons very nearly killed everyone.

None of that makes up for that one stupid old guy with the long hair who was the main street agitator for the pacifists. He was annoying as hell, and had to go!

It makes me wonder if this anime has an agenda to teach the youth of the futility and stupidity of pacifism, by depicting pacifists as mentally retarded.


What indicates how smart a course of action may be depends upon what your goals are. Assuming that violent solutions will always work better is no more clever than assuming pacifism. This is why good-versus-evil, hero-versus-villain stories are usually as dumb as a bag of rocks, because it doesn't reflect reality, but rather human psychology, which usually has a lot of stupid problems.

How can you tell if somebody simply depicting an idea means it's part of their agenda or not? It's easy to tell a story without needing to believe in it yourself. I can just say that people should or shouldn't do something as part of a story, without it directly reflecting my views.

Having read some of the creator's other manga, there is a strong thread of transhumanism running through it. My guess is that the Gauna ARE the rest of humanity, which would put a different spin on the whole "Human versus Gauna" idea. If Gauna are more advanced, should the people of Sidonia even bother trying to eliminate them? And why? There are also other options, such as avoiding them or merging with them.

Japan has long embraced pacifism after WW2, but I wonder if things are changing now.


You shouldn't have to wonder too hard, follow the news!

Japan embraced pacifism after WW2 because they were made to. The US helped to draft their new constitution. The idea was that they could remain a country, but not an empire. That's why instead of a regular military, they have a "self-defense force". Back in the 1970s-1980s the US was scared of Japan's economic and technological growth. But now they want Japan to be more powerful, because they are the US's closest ally who can counter the expansion of China.

But none of this matters very much. International politics are usually at playground-fighting mentaliy. Countries are dinosaurs.

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Well, first of all, despite your assertion that the show makes pacifists seem as though they are "mindless and retarded," the actions and mindset of the pacifist works with the premise of the show. The pacifists, by their definition, eschew violence, right? Well, if they abhor violence, then what other mindset would you give them in this situation? Of course they would think that the Gauna are attacking b/c they see the soldiers as a threat. Not a big leap to then think that, without arms or being part of Sidonia (which has established itself as a Gauna enemy), the Gauna would overlook them. At least there was logic to their argument.

What would you have them do instead? Create a Gauna-unity cult where they willfully embrace the idea of being "consumed"? And why exclude them at all? Logically, such groups would most certainly exist, especially after generations of being on that ship and having secrets (such as the immortal council) on the edge of the populace's consciousness leading to distrust of the military government. Especially after such a long (100 years) break between attacks.

Again, how would you have depicted them? As hypocrites who ask people to lay down their arms while enjoying the security and safety of the soldiers? Omit them altogether, which would be unrealistic b/c again...there is no doubt in my mind that, under such circumstances, such a group would exist in this environment, and their assumptions on the matter aren't illogical.

Not to mention, there is a middle ground hinted at. Hoshijiro and her comment about misunderstanding. There's too strong a foreshadowing element there for it not to end in a resolution of peace between the two races.

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Pacifists despise war. Yet, here you have an entity that does not communicate and is akin to a virus that destroys everything it touches.

Pacifists do not tell people to lay down their arms if bears attack - they are not that dumb. They might argue for an escape plan - or perhaps a way to build some sort of defense mechanism which would preclude any further confrontations, but not laying down their arms when they are being clearly attacked by an entity that seems to have little interest in communication as it does in destruction.

Pacifists would also speak out against drafting - as they think that no one should be forced to go to war at government's whim.

So yeah - pacifists are by far less dumb than the way they are depicted in this series, which makes me think that there is an agenda of sort by the show's writer/creator.

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They completely explained why the pacifists thought that the Gauna were attracted to Sidonias weapons. The pacifists were offering the people of Sidonia "an escape plan" by inviting the inhabitants to colonize the planet with them instead of staying onboard with the kabizashi.

The pacifists two main points were both shown to be correct: 1. the ship committee were in fact augmented humans who were lying to them, and 2. the Gauna are attracted to kabi. But they still died because the Gauna are also attracted to their energy source as well as kabi.

Since it was explained that they were mostly right, I don't think the writing was treating them as being dumb. Maybe you missed a few details somewhere.

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