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posted 8 years ago by pennilayne
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really didn't understand most of this.

when was the almost rape scene? he punched her but didnt rape her. she unzipped her own pants, and he punched her and took off.
was this around the same time she was stalking the girl on her outings? or was that part of her trauma?

was the girl actually another person or a split personality? its like she was looking for a twin and thought she had one?

was her trauma feeling like she killed her mom, and being taken care of by someone nuts and sadistic?

where was her dad??

what does sun choke mean?

did she really kill the girls BF? that whole scene seemed so unrealistic? what guy letd a total stranger come in his home and start donig him? she was obviously nuts, she could have had STDs or be dangerous. yet he lets her knock on the door , kiss him and sleep with him? that seemed like a fantasy she was having but they never addressed if it really happened.

were any of the people she killed actually killed or all fantasies before she ultimately committed suicide?

i usually like movies like this but this was honestly TOO ambiguous and trying too hard to be artsy and it was just all over the place. it had potential but no direction.

[–] dsa-827-486965 8 years ago

>when was the almost rape scene?
No. He raped her.

>was the girl actually another person or a split personality? its like she was looking for a twin and thought she had one?
Another person. Read this http://www.imdb.com/title/tt3395582/board/thread/260074743?d=261762964#261762964

>was her trauma feeling like she killed her mom, and being taken care of by someone nuts and sadistic?
Well, nurse say that she kill her mom, its need to broke her.

>where was her dad??
Always away.

>what does sun choke mean?
Nothing. Its just code-word using by nanny.

>did she really kill the girls BF?
Yes.

[–] pdlussier1 7 years ago

No. You had it right. She doesn't get raped. Don't forget that much of the film is about control. Rape is all about control and very little to do with sex. When Janie unzips her pants and shows she's "available" to her would be rapist, the rapist is no longer in control; he hits her then takes off.

It's unclear, but we can assume that it's not part of her trauma, it occurs as she's stalking Savannah.

Ignorance is bliss... 'til it posts on the Internet, then, it's annoying.

[–] kakstin-270-41573 7 years ago

Perhaps it isn't the central trauma of her life, but surely it must play some role in her deteriorating mental state. Why else would they include that scene?

[–] pdlussier1 7 years ago

Indeed re "it must play some role in her deteriorating mental state."

Personally, I don't think it's in any way a part of the central trauma, though, which is an interesting discussion in itself, linked to that quick flash of her shocked father, of Irma, then Janie covered in blood and being held by a paramedic and another male?

I saw that rape scene as necessary to establish a pivotal moment as well as to demonstrate her general passivity and subservience, the result of her so called therapy under Irma's thumb. When she unzips, the rapist loses his power and control over his victim; he's confused, smacks her then takes off. Can Janie comprehend this dynamic, or does all she get from this is: Now matter how acquiescent or "good" she is, Janie always ends up getting punished/rewarded with violence...

What's your take on Irma? My own conclusion, based on a few clues given in the film, I think she's more than just a care-giver, but also her stepmother.
Any which way, I don't think all those unconfirmed details are necessary, but neither can I confirm that.

[–] kakstin-270-41573 7 years ago

If nothing else, Irma is certainly a de facto mother/authority figure, whether she has an actual marriage/relationship with the father or not.

As far as "Janie covered in blood and being held by a paramedic," I assumed that's what Irma's reference to Janie "knowing what happens" was about. Namely, a previous psychotic episode in which Janie became violent and either harmed herself or attacked someone else.

[–] Stovepipe99 7 years ago

i usually like movies like this but this was honestly TOO ambiguous and trying too hard to be artsy and it was just all over the place. it had potential but no direction.

Agreed--too much style over substance.

If she did kill the boyfriend, well, the girl when we see her shortly afterward does not act like a woman whose loved one has just been brutally murdered by a stranger. I agree that a woman coming to your house late at night and trying to have sex with you should be something that any reasonable person would turn down--because anyone who'd arrive at your house that way obviously has major problems.

I think that she "imprints" on the other girl (who is real) for some reason--maybe because she is so beautiful and she wants to become her "reflection"?

I felt like there were a lot of things that were meant to be important and resonant (such as the rapist shoving the cloth in her mouth that echoes the abusive caretaker having her put the rolled up towel in her mouth), but it just didn't click in a satisfying way.