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Love is the downfall of men


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HbagBeqClwo

Or turning them into villains summarizing S3. :p

Melvin Potter - Betsy Beatty
Wilson Fisk (Kingpin) - Vanessa Marianna
Benjamin Poindexter (Bullseye) - Julie Barnes [not really love but he can't go on without her help]

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Julie didn’t have a relationship with Dex though. He was already a creepy weirdo.

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And I think he was telling the truth when he told her he was never into her.

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Yeah, I just got to episode 8 where he mentioned that. He still needed her though to maintain his composure and someone to latch onto to stay 'sane'.

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Seemed like he was gonna be crazy and evil regardless. Although, it was in his mind, you're right.

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Yeah. I was thinking someone like Fisk can't really have any romantic interests someone could use as leverage on him. With Vanessa in the picture, he's just like any other rich, old guy with power.

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Love isn’t. Sex is, and every woman knows it😈

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I'm not sure how love made any of these men villains...Wilson Fisk and Benjamin Poindexter were already murderous ruthless psychos. And Melvin Potter was already of marginal intelligence and easily lead
What these women did was make Fisk and Pointdexter more human and thus more vulnerable. . If you want to concentrate on dominating everyone around you and killing any that disagree than caring about someone is a distraction and a dilution of their power..
Yeah..
But that's good for us non psychos.

By the way, that video was not talking about real love but about how easy it is these days to hook up and stay addicted to the being in lust and idealized beginning of things and moving on to the next every time the initial rush fades, wash and repeat, wash and repeat... because it's too hard to put any real effort toward real lasting love when you can just keep starting over at the beginning again and again.
It affects your brain chemistry.

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There is no such thing as "real lasting love", otherwise the divorce rate wouldn't be over 50%. Guys like Wilson Fisk are right when they say love (all forms aside from immediate family) is the downfall of men. People take advantage of your growing influence when you have loving relationships with them, mostly because they're jealous trash who want to ruin you. Their mindset is "if I can't have it, no one can", and they seek to subtly distract you and screw you over in little ways in order to knock you down in your quest to become great. Average joes who are too stupid, weak, or just feeble-minded to get ahead, aside from maybe going to school and getting a job, don't need to worry about this though since they will likely never be in the sort of position guys like fisk are in. They'll spend their lives being little drones doing whatever their boss tells them to do while hoping for life to toss them a bone in the form of a woman, who will likely then move on when something better comes along anyway. Nah Fisk has the right idea, love is bullshit when you have the sort of talent that someone like Pointdexter has. No reason to be tied down by someone who'll move on once they get tired of the novelty of "fixing you", which is what would've happened if he'd stuck with that girl.

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What you have described is not really love so why go on and on describing toxic relationships? We've all had them. You seem to think it's all there is.

The divorce rate is 50% because people fall in lust or fall in love with love or power or money or beauty and wake up with a stranger when the smoke clears.
They marry too quickly when it usually should have just been a fling or they have unrealistic expectations that things will be perfect with no effort.
After all, people are disposable. If one doesn't give you everything you want or begins to bore you just ditch them and go get another.

Honestly..if someone like Fisk is your prophet then you're bound to never have a good relationship. Fisk figured love made him vulnerable and weak when he had to be ready to operate as a ruthless sociopath 24/7. It was a distraction when he needed to tear someone apart with his bare hands..

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Well said, at every turn, roxie! By the way, the US divorce rate is now closer to 60 percent. We are not born knowing how to have an intimate emotional relationship. We have to learn that skill and, with so many failed marriages, children aren’t learning the skill from their parents.

Too many people think that love and sex are the same thing, and they’re just not.

I’ve always wanted to ask you: is your user-name inspired by Bohemian Rhapsody?

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Fisk understood human nature and chose not to be on the receiving end of other people's desire to control him and make him feel as powerless as he was when his father would abuse him and his mom. He's right when he says love makes you weak, and it has nothing to do with being a "ruthless sociopath". His reasoning can apply to anyone in any stage of their life; whether they're living legitimately or not is irrelevant. Love makes you vulnerable and weak because you eventually get reduced to being nothing more then a puppet for the other person. You're constantly seeking assurances, looking to them for support, seeking their advice, or trying to make them happy, all of which puts a damper on your own personality, making you dull and more easier to manipulate if you're trying to get ahead in a cutthroat environment. Everyone is a sociopath at the end of the day, since people are always looking to keep you down in some shape or form. The only difference between Fisk and the average person is that Fisk is more intelligent and calculating and knows when (and how) to operate with a higher degree of sociopathy then the average guy who is basically stuck kissing ass , slandering, gossiping and doing everything in their power to keep his competitors down through low brow tactics. The love that you describe may have existed at some point in life, but in today's world where people are "disposable" (which they are, unfortunately), this kind of love is nothing more then a constant screening procedure for both parties that are always assessing how each other's status measures up to the other and proceeding on that basis. There is no such thing as "real", authentic love that is based on just personality attraction and common interests.

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