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samhmd-7489 loves this show...

posted 7 years ago by mh-newressistance
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...So he is a hypocrite? (Which is not surprising). We all remember his monologues about how anything that is "grounded and realistic" is creatively bankrupt and bad. He applied this argument to every non-MCU comic book movie that has ever come out. But, the Daredevil show is more grounded and realistic than any of those movies that he hates on for the exact same reasons for which this show is considered the greatest thing to ever come out from the MCU. It's more grounded than any of the Nolan's films (which he hates), let alone the X-Men movies. The creators of this show, Jeph Loeb in particular, in almost every interview emphasize how this show is more realistic and grounded than any of the MCU movies. So this whole "I hate grounded and realistic" crap is just an excuse to hate on anything that is not MCU? I think so. If this was show from Fox, he'd most likely hate on it.

[–] apriloish 7 years ago

What that person dosent get is some characters have to be realistic.Certain characters wont work on screen if done in a fantasy way.Also iron man an captain america are both grounded characters in mcu even thor was tweaked in those movies to be grounded but iron man an captain america were all ways pretty grounded any way so i dont know what that person is complaining about when the very franchise they like has realistic characters that are grounded including thor that was tweaked to fit a grounded feel.Doctor strange was also tweaked to fit a realistic feel in that franchise.As for x men an batman those characters work best when there grounded because x men is about people being oppressed so its easier to connect with more human characters that have a less fantasy feel.As for batman again he is the best written hereo an hes more impactfull in a more realistic world real feeling hereos like iron man an batman are easier to connect with for people.I think this person sees doing things different from the comics as selling out but every mcu film has been different from the comics iron man 3 is nothing like the comics neither is age of ultron or guardians.Each movie an different comic book universe of these characters is a different take an universe characters like iron man hulk batman x men all work better in a grounded world.If you go directly by the comics for everyone of these characters they simply wouldnt work on screen.You have to use the right style an tone for the character that is right to be used because comics an movies are separate an what works in comics dosent work on screen.Not to mention each take of a character in the comics is an alternate version as are the films every director has the right to do his personal take on the material of any book or comic an grounded or not it never makes there version less valid because its all art

[–] mh-newressistance 7 years ago

Pal, I don't think you even have to rationalize this moron's nonsense, since it won't help. It's not that he actually dislikes when comic book movies are realistic and grounded - that is bullshіt. He's an MCU shill. For him, anything that doesn't have "Marvel Studios" logo on it automatically becomes "grounded Holocaust bankrupt" something-something, etc. When I shoved in his face quote from Jon Favreau where he was specifically stating that the first Iron Man movie is going to be very realistic and he won't go for comic book-like aesthetic, he started making excuses that it doesn't matter what he says because the film is not realistic. Favreau mentioned Nolan's Batman Begins as his inspiration. Yet, Samytron denied that the movie is realistic. His point was, "Well, the Iron Man armor doesn't exist in real world. Therefore, it's not realistic." He doesn't even understand the basic meaning of the term "grounded" and "realistic". By this logic, Batman's costume also doesn't exist in real world, therefore, Nolan's Batman aren't more realistic than the first Iron Man. But he won't shut up about how terrible comic book movies that are realistic are. Most importantly, his whole "You're ashamed of the comics" bullshіt is - well - a bunch of bullshіt. He in fact trashes comic books if the conversation will be about how the movie have butchered the source material. When I bring up the fact that MCU have butchered many characters and many comic book storylines in their movies, Samytron changes his tune (as usual) and starts spewing self-contradictory nonsense in which he says that those characters/storylines were terrible and they don't need to be well-portrayed on film. He's a hypocritical flip flopper.

[–] apriloish 7 years ago

I agree he is like that I dont hate the guy or anything but he dose attack other films for the same problems as mcu has had or dose.I think he knows that he dose it on purpose to attack any one that says something bad about mcu

[–] apriloish 7 years ago

[–] samhmd-7489 7 years ago

There's nothing "grounded" about magical Ninja Cults that can resurrect the dead. Nor is there anything realistic about a chemical splash taking away your eyesight but augmenting your other senses.

[–] mh-newressistance 7 years ago

Samyboy, I don't think you understand what the term "grounded" means. Grounded means taking concept and making it look believable. It doesn't mean making something like in real life. "Grounded" stands for suggesting the possibility of something happening in real life, not showing what actually happens in real life. And yes, Samyboy, these shows are more realistic and grounded than any of those movies that you accuse of being grounded, therefore, ashamed. So stop making excuses for your own lack of knowledge and your hypocrisy. If you like these shows, but you condemn X-Men movies and TKD trilogy for being grounded, you are the definitive hypocrite.

[–] samhmd-7489 7 years ago

Samyboy, I don't think you understand what the term "grounded" means. Grounded means taking concept and making it look believable.

No, it means taking something wondrous and full of joy and then sucking out all the joy and sense of wonder until there's nearly nothing left and it's something that people who dislike the wondrous can enjoy while sniggering at anyone who dares to enjoy something that embraces its nature.

If TDK had given us Lazarus Pits, it wouldn't be grounded.

[–] mh-newressistance 7 years ago

No, it means taking something wondrous and full of joy and then sucking out all the joy and sense of wonder until there's nearly nothing left

In short, Marvel shows on Netflix in a nutshell. If Marvel shows on Netflix weren't what you just described, then this is how Daredevil show would've looked like, Samyboy:

https://d1466nnw0ex81e.cloudfront.net/n_iv/600/753155.jpg

But you are hypocrite, and there is no two ways about it, like I said many times.

and it's something that people who dislike the wondrous can enjoy while sniggering at anyone who dares to enjoy something that embraces its nature.

Then it's very hard to understand why you enjoy these Netflix shows, Samyboy, considering that they all are fixated on dark and grim aesthetic and reject silly comic book concepts.

If TDK had given us Lazarus Pits, it wouldn't be grounded.

The Dark Knight had things like super-advanced sonar that can use phones to analyze the environment. Such thing does not exist in real world. Batman Begins had cult of assassins that was using non-existent chemical weapon to cause chaos. It did not need Lazarus pit for that, Mr. Hypocrite.

[–] samhmd-7489 7 years ago

In short, Marvel shows on Netflix in a nutshell.

If you ignore the magical Ninja Cults, the Prison Experiments that make indestructible men, everything about Iron Fist...

Then it's very hard to understand why you enjoy these Netflix shows, Samyboy, considering that they all are fixated on dark and grim aesthetic and reject silly comic book concepts.

They don't, actually. It's just that people ashamed of CBMs can fool themselves into thinking these shows are grounded when they aren't so they can feel better about themselves.

The Dark Knight had things like super-advanced sonar that can use phones to analyze the environment. Such thing does not exist in real world.

Nah, that's more grounded than anything in the Netflix shows.

Batman Begins had cult of assassins that was using non-existent chemical weapon to cause chaos.

If they used actual magic like the Hand did, you'd have a point. As it is, there's nothing wondrous about Ra's Cult.