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This is all a work of fiction...Alex Haley was a plagiarist


This is all a work of fiction...
THE CELEBRATED 'ROOTS' OF A LIE

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January 16, 2002 -- ON Friday, NBC will air a special commemorating the 25th anniversary of the landmark miniseries based on Alex Haley's book "Roots." Ironically, the original series aired on ABC - but officials at that network took a pass on broadcasting the tribute.

What's truly amazing, however, is that "Roots" is receiving a reverential tribute at all. For while the miniseries was a remarkable - and important - piece of television,
the book on which it was based has now been widely exposed as a historical
hoax.

Unfortunately, the general public is largely unaware of how Haley's monumental family autobiography, stretching back to 18th-century Africa, has been discredited.

Indeed, a 1997 BBC documentary expose of Haley's work has been banned by U.S. television networks - especially PBS, which would normally welcome such a program.

Coincidentally, the "Roots" anniversary comes amid the growing scandal over disclosures of historian Stephen Ambrose's multiple incidents of plagiarism. Because as Haley himself was forced to acknowledge, a large section of his book -
including the plot, main character and scores of whole passages - was
lifted from "The African," a 1967 novel by white author Hal Courlander.

But plagiarism is the least of the problems in "Roots." And they would likely have remained largely unknown, had journalist Philip Nobile not undertaken a remarkable study of Haley's private papers shortly before they were auctioned off.

The result was featured in a devastating 1993 cover piece in the Village Voice. It confirmed - from Haley's own notes - earlier claims that the alleged history of the book was a near-total invention.

"Virtually every genealogical claim in Haley's story was false," Nobile has written. None of Haley's early writing contains any reference to his mythic ancestor, "the African" named Kunta Kinte. Indeed, Haley's later notes give his family name
as "Kante," not "Kinte."

And a long-suppressed tape of the famous session in which Haley " found" Kunta Kinte through the recitation of an African "griot" proves that, as BBC producer James Kent noted, "the villagers [were] threatened by members of Haley's party.
These turn out to be senior government officials desperate to ensure that things go
smoothly."

Haley, added Kent, "specifically asks for a story that will fit
his predetermined American narrative."

Historical experts who checked Haley's genealogical research discovered that, as one put it, "Haley got everything wrong in his pre-Civil War lineage and none of his
plantation ancestors existed; 182 pages have no basis in fact."

Given this damning evidence, you'd think Haley's halo would long ago have vanished. But - given this week's TV tribute - he remains a literary icon. Publicly, at least.

The judge who presided over Haley's plagiarism case admitted that "I did not want to destroy him" and so allowed him to settle quietly - even though, he acknowledged, Haley had repeatedly perjured himself in court.

The Pulitzer Prize board has refused to reconsider Haley's prize, awarded in 1977 - in what former Columbia President William McGill, then a board member, has acknowledged was an example of "inverse racism" by a bunch of white liberals
"embarrassed by our makeup."

Yet the uniqueness of "Roots" is that it was presented as factual history, albeit with fictional embellishments. Haley himself stressed that the details came from his family's oral history and had been corroborated by outside documents.

But Professor Henry Louis Gates of Harvard, a Haley friend, concedes that it's time to "speak candidly," adding that "most of us feel it's highly unlikely that Alex actually found the village from whence his ancestors came

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But it's so easy to copy and paste!

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Google cannot be used as a source to decipher truth from lies.

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yes it can.

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LOL Ignorance is BLISS!!!

TWD- The worst season finale ever. Never mind- Sleepy Hollow was worse.

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It's a shame that this is true. Haley plagiarized from one and possibly two sources and then made up much of the genealogy information. I don't get the point of this. Just make it a fiction. People weren't drawn to it because it was 100% true, but because it was an interesting story.

Any Black person trying to do genealogy knows it's basically impossible go early than 1870 unless you are very very lucky and if you do get info, it's second hand, like a death certificate giving the names of parents, rather than a census record or something. So to think Haley magically found all this information is pretty hard to believe, and was proven to be false.

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I'll agree the alex hales work was plagiarism, but that doesn't discount the fact that the original story of Roots should have been told. In what film, tv or movies, did you see the capture of a slave? Right after you've witnessed his family and tribal dynamic. The telling of the middle passage was chilling, as it put the viewer right in the filthy underbelly of the ship. Then the random wench raping, the auctioning of human property, and the stripping one of their name and forcing them to learn a language completely foreign to them.

Alex lied about the principles, and his relation. However the visual story was a must and I'm curious to see the updated version.

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Bossat2822: Refreshingly to read a non-racist and sane post re: "Roots". I remember seeing it on television as a kid at the age of 13.
Naturally, I had heard about slavery and we were taught something in school ( not enough ), but I didn't really get it until I saw "Roots"
Yes, I thought it was cool that it was a true story, and as a budding historian ( later I got a Masters degree in European history ), I decided to take Alex Haley's advice and asked my grandparents all I could about our family history. And "Roots" horrified me.

I saw it again on DVD from the library. I thought the scene with OJ Simpson was ridiculous and fake, and that LeVar ( forget his last name) was not right for Kunte Kinte. He was American and I thought they should have found an African actor. And he looked nothing like the actor who played Kinte as an adult. This having been said, I thought it was entertaining and that there were a few good white people
who were thrown in to show that not all whites in the South ranged from vicious bigots to monsters. Jim Crow was as bad as slavery in many instances and went on for another 100 years after the Civil War. My dad told me he remembered going down South to New Orleans with his parents, brother and cousin, and seeing separate drinking fountains for "coloreds and whites ", and that restaurants, public washrooms etc. Were strictly segregated. His dad remembered that black people had to step off the sidewalk to allow white people to pass. And Congress had still not passed the anti-lynching Bill. This was shocking to me. I asked my dad ( I was born when he was 43) so there was, in fact, 2 generations between us, why he didn't join the "Freedom Riders" or in some way get involved in the Civil Rights movement later on. He just said that it just didn't bother him that much as he never saw this sort of thing in Boston - and his parents would have been upset had he put himself in harms way. He did admit that even in Boston, the big movie palaces forced black people to sit in the balcony. And there were certain restaurants where there was de facto segregation I.e., black people just didn't go there.

So "Roots" was a history lesson that needed to be told. And I look forward to a more realistic re-make. I really don't care if it was Alex Halley's true story or not. It was true for a huge number of American citizens. Thanks for your Post

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One of the main reasons that the original "Roots" became such a huge phenomenon was because it was sold to the public as a true story.

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The truth was far more brutal than the original story. Do you know that some white men raped young captured slaves impregnating them then 9 months later came back and cut the newborn out of the mother's womb and killed it by stomping on its head- all while laughing? Did you know that you sick perverted *beep* did that? Or are we picking on the whitey too much again? And "you" are crying about OJ? The worst is yet to come...

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Now that is unadulterated BS

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I call foul on that .... a slave was an investment to get work done...not something that serial killers and fetishes ordered our of a catalogue to get their rocks off...Far more brutal can get into WWII ..or what the Souix did. OR in more recent times Murders of Channon Christian and Christopher Newsom

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Bull crap. Give anyome that much power over another human being and you are bound to see the worst of humanity. There are few lies regarding slavery bigger than "Whites treated their slaves good for the most part. Why would anyone damage the value of their own property?" I'm sure the slaves that were castrated and had body parts amputated could easily answer that question.

Where are the Asian characters DC CW? #MoreAsians

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logcabnnut-- Charles Manson was looking to start a race war, he called it Helter Skelter. You sound like a disciple.

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You do know that a novel by it's very definition is fiction correct?

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To OP. Some historians argue that Shakespeare didn't write all of his works and it appears as if somebody else wrote parts as they differ in style and language from him. Nothing conclusive has been proven but at the time Shakespeare's lived in stealing other people's work was common so it's plausible and not at all unlikely.
What about the Iliad and Odyssey? Very few believe it actually was Homer writing it all down by himself but he still gets credit for it.

Now, suppose Shakespeare stole Hamlet or Homer was inspired by local folklore and legends? Does that in any way diminish the quality of the work itself? No.

If Alex Haley plagiarized parts of some other novel and added his own pieces so be it. The work itself is amazing.

He (Haley) also never said that Roots was 100% accurate and admitted that most of the drama that's in it was fictionalized to have a story to tell in the first place. You solely focus on the detail that Haley wasn't telling the true story about his supposed ancestor Kunta Kinte. It's dubious he really was his ancestor and that he was the grandfather of the very real Chicken George. Doesn't matter. He might have been, we're not talking about Alex Haley claiming he was related to some African emperor or legendary folk hero just a random Mandinka who got captured and sold as a slave.

"This is all work of fiction." And most novels are, and even those who claim to be memoirs or biographies take certain liberties.

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OK, so what about the fact that Europeans weren't skulking into the jungles to capture slaves in nets? Most of them were sold to the Europeans by coastal slave traders or Arabs. Also, most slaves were not directly taken to the American mainland, but to the Caribbean to be "cultured" for a generation or two before being moved to southern plantations. It's a nice story, but to purport such a grand vision of general historical accuracy is just as bogus as the lineage claims.

That being said, I will be surprised and impressed if any of these elements make it into the remake.

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It's a nice story, but to purport such a grand vision of general historical accuracy is just as bogus as the lineage claims.

From what I understand, Roots contains quite a few inaccuracies, some of which are real howlers. Another example: had a slave been loaned away to someone in England (as Chicken George supposedly was), he would have been automatically freed under both British and American law.

I will be surprised and impressed if any of these elements make it into the remake.

I'm curious to see what they'll say and won't say. My prediction is that they won't mention the plagiarism at all. As for the sham genealogy, they'll mention half the truth. Either they'll acknowledge that it's fictional but never even hint that Haley claimed otherwise; or they'll imply that the genealogy is accurate without even hinting that it's been discredited.

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Roots is also a novel. A novel by its very definition is a work of fiction. Therefore it doesn't need to be 100% accurate.

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Some historians argue that Shakespeare didn't write all of his works and it appears as if somebody else wrote parts as they differ in style and language from him. Nothing conclusive has been proven but at the time Shakespeare's lived in stealing other people's work was common so it's plausible and not at all unlikely.

What about the Iliad and Odyssey? Very few believe it actually was Homer writing it all down by himself but he still gets credit for it.

Now, suppose Shakespeare stole Hamlet or Homer was inspired by local folklore and legends? Does that in any way diminish the quality of the work itself? No
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Roots is not Macbeth. It's not even The Two Gentlemen Of Verona. And Alex Haley was no Shakespeare. Your implied comparison is frankly asinine.

Borrowing from others works without attribution was accepted practice at one time. It's not accepted practice now. Doris Kearns Goodwin could tell you that. So could Stephen Ambrose, if he were still alive. It's not accepted practice now, nor was it in the 1960s and 1970s, when Haley "wrote" Roots.

If Alex Haley plagiarized parts of some other novel

There's no "if" about it. The bizarre explanations Haley offered under oath as to how the Courlander material ended up in Roots so blatantly demonstrated consciousness of guilt that they were damning as evidence against Haley, just as damning as comparisons of the texts of Roots and The African. Explanations which were so ridiculous and did such violence to common sense that they nearly bought Haley a perjury indictment. The judge presiding over that civil trial stopped just short of recommending that indictment to the responsible authorities, refrained from doing so only because of liberal guilt, and later stated that not recommending an indictment was a mistake he regretted.

and added his own pieces so be it.

While we're giving credit to uncredited authors, let's not forget the considerable contributions of Murray Fisher, Haley's colleague from his work for Playboy magazine, who ghostwrote large portions of Roots.

He (Haley) also never said that Roots was 100% accurate and admitted that most of the drama that's in it was fictionalized to have a story to tell in the first place.

And no sane person has ever claimed or believed that Roots is 100% percent accurate. Of course a novelization of events in the 18th and 19th centuries would have to include a generous amount of invented conversations, fictional minor characters, and such. Haley never claimed otherwise, and only a fool would believe such a claim if it were made. The only people who invoke this pseudo-claim are Haley apologists who attempt to put straw man arguments into the mouths of Haley's critics.

What Haley did claim was that Roots was a fictional account of his family's history, woven around the broad outlines of events and his actual genealogy. Or, to put it in Haley's words:

To the best of my knowledge and of my effort, every lineage statement within Roots is from either my African or American families' carefully preserved oral history, much of which I have been able conventionally to corroborate with documents. Those documents, along with the myriad textural details of what were contemporary indigenous lifestyles, cultural history, and such that give Roots flesh have come from years of intensive research in fifty-odd libraries, archives, and other repositories on three continents. -- from Roots, ISBN 0-4400-17464-3, p. 726.


In other words, Haley's claim was that he made an honest effort; he put a lot of work into it; and he could back up his purported genealogy with considerable evidence. But he didn't make an honest effort. He lied.

Statements by some of Haley's Gambian associates; the circumstances of the staged meeting in Juffure between Haley and the sham griot; Haley's conflicting statements to some of his sources for Roots; discrepancies between the timeline of events which Haley claimed versus what actually happened; and Haley's own private notes, not released until his death, establish beyond any sane doubt that Haley knowingly created Kunta Kinte and Kizzy out of thin air.

The work itself is amazing. [...] You solely focus on the detail that Haley wasn't telling the true story about his supposed ancestor Kunta Kinte.

That's rather like saying that Clifford Irving's "authorized autobiography" of Howard Hughes is a good read, and so the fact that Irving faked it is a mere "detail." Or that Lance Armstrong put on a great show for the fans, so the fact that he turned out to be just as juiced up as the other bikers he condemned should be shrugged off. Or the Charles Van Doren did inspire quite a few schoolkids to hit the books harder, so his being fed the answers on Twenty One was nothing to get worked up about.

This mere "detail" you attempt to brush off is no mere bit of trivia. It was the selling point of the book. The media and society in general went absolutely gaga over Haley, and it wasn't because of anything wonderful about Haley's storytelling; it was because of the perception that Haley had succeeded in tracing his genealogy back to Africa.

It's dubious he really was his ancestor and that he was the grandfather of the very real Chicken George. Doesn't matter.

It's not dubious at all, since Kunta Kinte didn't exist until Alex Haley invented him.

He might have been, we're not talking about Alex Haley claiming he was related to some African emperor or legendary folk hero just a random Mandinka who got captured and sold as a slave.

Yeah, we're just talking about Haley cynically capitalizing off real racial wounds by claiming to have accomplished a genealogical first, then riding the gravy train off his fraud for the rest of his life while, even to his dying breath, never doing the manly thing and admitting he had lied about the whole affair. No big deal.

The truth matters. That's why if you're Ambrose or Goodwin and you plagiarize, you're publicly humiliated. That's why if you're Clifford Irving and you attempt to hoax the public, you become a joke. And that's why if you're Van Doren or Armstrong, and you not only lie to the public but present yourself as someone to be admired and emulated in doing so, you're despised.

But if you're Alex Haley, and you not only lie to the public but accept all the accolades society offers to "great men," and accept them knowing that they're unearned, undeserved, and have in fact only been offered to you because of your own lies and theft, when your fraud is revealed you're not damned in ignominy. You get to keep your Pulitzer Prize. The US Coast Guard leaves your name on one of its ships. And the nation's media strenously twists itself in knots to avoid even hinting at the truth; that you're a contemptible mountebank.

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If Alex Haley plagiarized...
There's no "if". He did. The same article above is posted here: http://www.martinlutherking.org/roots.html The African, by Hal Courlander, is available at Amazon.



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This is old news to anyone who read the book, or watched the original programs (like I did) Granted, it was wrong as hell for Haley to do what he did, and he deserved to get busted and called out for what he did. The story he wrote about his own family was fake, but the background and history he set it against was very real (and there's more than enough documentation to back that up.)

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This is old news to anyone who read the book, or watched the original programs (like I did)

Old indeed. Roots was published in its final book form in 1976, but some material had been published earlier than that (e.g., a condensed excerpt in Reader's Digest in 1974). And it immediately became apparent that Haley's story did not withstand close scrutiny. By the time Roots was published, Haley's African genealogy had already been refuted. By the time the miniseries aired, Haley's representation of antebellum American history had already been discredited. And within ten years of the book's publication, Haley was exposed as a plagiarist, and his American genealogy and his depiction of African history had been debunked.

The final nails in Haley's coffin came shortly after his death (if you'll forgive the weird pun), in 1993 when Philip Nobile published a criticism of Roots which incorporated new information from Haley's private papers (not available for public reading until after Haley's death). Before that time, it was just barely possible for a person with a full knowledge of the facts to believe that Haley had honestly pursued his research, committed errors, and come up with incorrect results ... although to believe that, one had to assume that Haley had been staggeringly incompetent. But Nobile's expose, which called upon those papers as well as other evidence, left no doubt that Haley had knowingly and deliberately fabricated Kunta Kinte out of thin air.

So yes, it's “old news.” But “to anyone who read the book, or watched the original programs”? No.

Professional historians and genealogists recognized flaws in Roots immediately. But for a fair minded and educated layperson, there's nothing in either the book or the 1977 miniseries which establishes or even strongly implies that Haley's purported genealogy or the history he presents is fictional. When I first read Roots, believing at that time that Haley was honest, Kunta Kinte was real, et cetera, I did notice some odd things. The link between Toby and Kunta Kinte immediately struck me as exceptionally tenuous, and I was troubled by the extreme lack of footnotes, documented sources, and other such hard citations I expected. But because the major US media had consistently asserted that Haley's story was real, I assumed that it was indeed real and so further assumed that it had been examined and verified by experts, that substantial other supporting evidence existed, and that Haley had omitted that evidence from Roots for the sake of not cluttering up the story but could produce it if anyone asked. And judging from the general public reaction, it seems many others extended those same assumptions and continue to do so today.

Every few years, Roots resurfaces, and I find myself back in discussions like this. I must say ... and I only have my own personal experience to call upon, not any hard facts or figures ... that your statement that this is "old news to anyone who read the book, or watched the original programs" is simply wrong. Yes, more and more people are aware of these things now than in earlier years. But what I am struck by each time is how many people are completely unaware that there's anything at all amiss about Roots ... and of those who are aware that it's inaccurate, how many are unaware that Haley was a liar but instead believe he was an honest guy who screwed up ... and how many know about the fabricated genealogy but not the plagiarism, or know about the plagiarism but not the bad history, or know about the bad history but believe the genealogy to be true. And a casual look around these discussion boards alone shows that many still fall into these categories; as well as the all too predictable knee-jerk charges of racism against those who dare to criticize Saint Alex and his holy writ.

The story he wrote about his own family was fake, but the background and history he set it against was very real (and there's more than enough documentation to back that up.)

The history presented in Roots is real only to a superficial level.

Haley depicts 18th century Juffure as an small, idyllic Eden, where people live happily except for those unfortunates who are captured by White slavers. In truth, Juffure at that time was a major trading post with a large population, and was the center of power through which Ndanco Sono, the king of Nomi, tightly controlled all traffic on the Gambia River, including the slave trade, a practice which the British, French, and Africans pursued to mutual advantage. There were frictions between these groups from time to time, but nobody really wanted to screw up a partnership which was profitable for all concerned. The British officials on nearby James Island inspected each British slave ship to verify that each slave had been properly purchased, and had not been stolen in the manner Haley describes. They had very good reason to do this. Sono had considerable men, guns, and ammo at his disposal, and the British ... strangers in a strange land, surrounded and outnumbered by the locals ... would have faced harsh reprisals had their traders stolen slaves.

Haley's depiction of history on the other side of the Atlantic also fails. Specific, factual errors which Haley commits include but are not limited to depictions of wire fencing nearly a century before its actual use; okra being consumed in a time and place when it was little known; anachronisms in dialogue (e.g., "cracker" and "redneck" as pejorative terms); and large fields of cotton in late 18th century northern Virginia.

These and other errors may seem like nitpicking, but they're indicative of a larger problem on two levels. First, the number of such errors in Roots is simply too numerous to be forgivable. A few such errors can be brushed off as the occasional mistakes which are bound to creep into any large project which imperfect humans attempt. But Roots has so many such errors of fact that one must conclude that the guy who wrote it simply didn't know what the hell he was talking about when it came to Southern history.

Second, they're "hard" examples of a not so subtle error present in Roots (and to be fair, quite a few other depictions of antebellum slavery). Haley assumes that what was true at one time and place was true at all times and places within the pre-Civil War American South. But this is simply not true at all.

In late 18th century America, cotton was an afterthought. By 1860, it was America's main business. The nation produced two-thirds of the planet's cotton crop, and cotton accounted for a little over half of all US exports. And it wasn't just the plantations of the South which depended on cotton; it was also the Northern banking and textile industries, as well as a large portion of the economy of Great Britain, at that time the most powerful nation in the world and the US's most important trading partner.

In short, when people spoke of "King Cotton," they weren't kidding. This point cannot be overstated. By the mid-nineteenth century, it wasn't just the case that cotton was an important part of the American economy. In many ways, it was the American economy; and slavery was as integral a part of cotton production as welding would be to Detroit auto manufacturing in a later era.

So what does this have to do with Roots? Simple. In 1767, that boom I described hadn't happened yet. At that time, the prevailing belief, in both the North and the South, was that slavery was a very flawed practice which even on its best days caused at least as many problems as it solved, and that it was inevitable that it would naturally die out if natural market forces, et cetera, were given time and allowed to run their course. In the middle nineteenth century, only an imbecile could have held this belief.

Now, with that change in attitude, wouldn't there also be changes in beliefs about things like allowing slaves to learn to read and write? Private emancipation of slaves? The rights of free blacks? And yet Haley's depiction of northern Virginia in the late 18th century … the setting for Kunta Kinte, the major character in the book … owes more to the 1850s Deep South than to the circa Revolutionary era mid-Atlantic region; a grave error in both time and place.

Also, history owes a duty to real persons, especially those who are no longer around to defend themselves. If a writer of a historical novel wishes to invent fictional characters and give them attributes illustrative of the era and society depicted, fine. But Dr. William Waller, Missy Anne, and Tom Lea were very real persons, flesh and blood beings who had hopes, dreams, successes, failures, strengths, and flaws, just like you and me; and who got far shabbier treatment at Haley's hands than they deserved.

(Sadly, I'm sure many reading that last paragraph think, “Well, they were White, so screw 'em.” Such is the state of race relations in America today.)

In short, what can we learn as real history from Roots? The United States of America has been around for quite a while; not as long as other nations like China and France, but more than just a few years. At one time, there was slavery in the USA. And slavery was wrong, and sometimes brutal.

Well, duh.

[Haley] deserved to get busted and called out for what he did.

He paid a price. Having to cough up $650,000 to settle the Courlander plagiarism suit … about two million dollars in today's money … was no mere slap on the wrist. And he lost other opportunities as well. For example, in later life he tried to get a position at UT-Knoxville, and the faculty there, much to their credit, told him, “thanks for stopping by, but we don't want a proven plagiarist among our ranks; don't let the doorknob hit you on the way out.”

But “called out”? A fair accounting of his sins, presented in a forum which would bring them to the attention not just of a small portion of the population, but also to Joe and Jane Sixpack? … which would only be appropriate, since the mainstream major media lauded him to the general public as a hero for so long.

When has that ever happened?

Alex Haley invented his genealogy (the parts that mattered for marketing purposes, anyway), and claimed it was true. He stole from at least one other author, and possibly others. (Had Margaret Walker received the same support from her publisher as Courlander did, we might also be talking about another large settlement paid for stolen material from Jubilee.) He consistently played the race card against his critics, asserting that even questioning Roots was equivalent to claiming that Anne Frank's diary was a hoax; that calling attention to his misdeeds was knowingly helping the KKK; et cetera. Not content with his initial transgressions, he piled lie upon further lie, claiming to be the foremost living expert on African-American genealogy until Kunta Kinte was so discredited that not even Haley's dog believed he was real; then claiming he had never stated that Kunta Kinte was real in the first place. He accepted all sorts of honors, both high and low … in addition to the Pulitzer Prize and other such honors, how many “Alex Haley Avenues” are there in cities and towns across America today? ... and accepted them all knowing full well that he hadn't earned them. He perpetrated his fraud not on a topic of marginal importance ... say, if he had claimed that his grandmother was the real inventor of “s'mores” … but instead on the gravest social problem our nation has ever faced, one which arouses such high emotions in many that they cannot even discuss it without approaching apoplexy. And although he made tacit admissions here and there that Roots was a fraud, it was only when he was forced to do so because it had become impossible to claim otherwise.

And he never, never repented for his misdeeds. Not really.

Has he been called out? No. Quite the opposite. The chattering classes have extended every imaginable generosity to Alex Haley all along.

Within higher academia, where I've got some experience from both sides of the lectern, it's long been an open secret that Haley was a fraud. But it was also long understood that this was something to be acknowledged only in the safety of post-graduate seminar rooms, and that to mention it where ordinary people might become aware of it … oh, no! Wouldn't be “polite,” shall we say. (Some of the most cowardly people imaginable can be found in university faculties.)

When Roots was published, reviews of it largely assessed it as amateurish. Rightly so; taken apart from the context of its “importance” and claims of truth, Roots as pure storytelling is mediocre. Yet the reviewers nearly unanimously opined that Roots was a flawed work, but the flaws were far more than outweighed by the truth of its genealogy. And this “but” narrative has defined “correct” opinion and acceptable discussion about Roots ever since.

First it was, “Roots as a work of fiction is weak, but the genealogy is true.”

Then, “Haley plagiarized, but so many people love it and the genealogy is true.”

Then, “the genealogy is wrong, but Haley probably made a good try at it and so many people love Roots.”

Then, “err, turns out Haley lied, but Roots is an important work that tells 'larger truths.'”

And lately, “all right, Haley plagiarized and lied, and Kunta Kinte and Kizzy are ghosts, but everyone already knows that anyway.” (If everyone already knows that, why the reluctance of the mainstream media to even hint at those things.)

Yes, there's plenty of academic work demolishing Haley, available if one knows how to look, cares to track it down, and is willing to travel to the nearest large university library and/or pay for reprints. And some elements of the media have done work critical of Haley; but that work has been confined to second tier entities like the Village Voice and New York Post.

But when has a large media entity, with an audience both large in number and including the general public … something like CNN, PBS, Time magazine, NBC, et cetera … ever presented America with a fair, fully informed assessment of Alex Haley? Oh, they'll mention him, all right … but they either ignore the unpleasant facts about him, or indulge in chicanery like quoting claims of his veracity without explaining that those claims have been disproved. But when have they ever simply told the whole truth?

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An entire dissertation on a BOOK. The brutality of slavery never happened. After all wouldn't someone treat their property well? Blah, blah, blah.

The gyrations performed by whites to absolve America of its very nasty 400 history of human ownership and brutality and Jim Crow is unbelievable. We're not even talking about the massacre of hundreds of thousands of native Americans.

Every time a movie about slavery comes out, white go nuts and start posting long diatribes and revisionist versions of slavery. I've never seen such scholarly work.

Sorry, just doesn't work.

Everyone knows what America did.

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And the fools have begun to check in. This will be like shooting fish in a barrel ...

The brutality of slavery never happened. After all wouldn't someone treat their property well? Blah, blah, blah.

Why are you saying this in a reply to me? I never said those things. I never said anything close to those things. Pity you can't get your facts straight.

The gyrations performed by whites [...] Every time a movie about slavery comes out, white go nuts

What makes you think I'm White? Maybe I am, maybe I'm not. I've never said one way or the other on these boards, precisely because of crap like your post, and I'm not telling now.

If you find my statements convincing, yield to them; if not, refute them. But if your intention is to spew the drivel characteristic of a typical, identity politics driven "racial dialogue" ... that is, a grunting match between troglodytes of various skin hues ... I won't dignify that tripe by pretending it's anything other than what it is.

Hey, wanna learn something? Take a look at this column criticizing Haley. It's written by a guy who says all the same things I say about Alex Haley, and has been saying them for a long time. In particular, look at the writer's picture at the top of the page. I suspect that his skin color will shock and horrify you:

http://www.jewishworldreview.com/cols/crouch011802.asp

I've never seen such scholarly work.

I guess you've never heard of any of these people, then. Elizabeth Mills, past president of the American Society of Genealogists, debunked Haley's American genealogy. Don Wright, an Africanist at the State University of NY at Cortland, debunked Haley's African genealogy and his misrepresentations about griots and lineage records. For antebellum history in general and Haley's errors specifically, look at Gary Mills at the University of Alabama at Gadsden, Johns Hopkins professor Willie Lee Rose, and historian Bruce Catton. Journalists Mark Ottaway and Philip Nobile did excellent work on the Gambian end of Haley's fraud and the fabrication of Kunta Kinte. The events of the Courlander plagiarism lawsuit, and presiding judge Robert Ward's actions, are public record. That should get you started ...

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ONLY AN IMBECILE WOULD USE "AN" IN FRONT OF A WORD THAT STARTS WITH A CONSONANT.

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an hour, an heir, an historic event.

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The silent 'h' is the exception of course, although historic is still up for debate depending on how you pronounce it :)

I don't do signatures. ^_^

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"an Historic" can be heard in British English even when the H is aspirated.

When the power of love overcomes the love of power, the world will know peace. - Jimi Hendrix

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Very interesting, I wasn't aware. Thanks for the food for thought.

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So... do you have a point?

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