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Were the children those who were aborted? The cop's wife aborted too?
The decapitated boyfriend punished for leaving her pregnant?
The reddish look to resemble life in the womb? Bath salts killing babies?
The doctor murdered for giving her 'a choice'? The mom stabbing her for her sins?
And the last shot is of her regrets for the abortion?
Did I just watch a very long pro-life propaganda film?
Propaganda for pro-life?
Shame there even needs to be propaganda. It should be patently obvious that unborn children are still humans and deserving of every right that we assume are natural to the human condition.
It's a shame that there are people out there that wouldn't defend the most defenseless and the most innocent from being butchered.
That they would scoff at a movie that might even dare to try to make a plea for those unborn children.
Tell that to a rape victim.
State champ in martial arts, trained with firearms, I eFF'n dare you!
Radical Pro choice people always use that line. Of course a rape victim is different. duh.
I am pro choice. However, it's obvious the pro lifers are referring to the people who have 3+ abortions and clearly use them as birth control.
It's their lives though and none of anybody's business. Personally I would be devastated to have to kill my fetus. I don't even kill spiders. But that's just me.
"It's their lives though and none of anybody's business."
Someone killing children is the business of anyone that values the lives of children, regardless of the current size or location of said child.
+++by His wounds we are healed. - Isaiah 53:5+++
Oh no, FirstBlood, a fetus is not a child. Thinking other is part of the problem. And if you love women as much as you claim in your bio, then you'll respect their decisions, without judgement, and with the love and understanding of another fave of yours, Jesus. And if not, then I hope you're not a hypocrite -- demanding birth but then neglecting those who need social welfare once born.
Regarding this movie, it's a helluva lot better than so many other indie horror films from 2015, from style to creepiness. And the story, pro-life or not (I think it is), seems to take place after she's given birth... perhaps by c-section. I think she was myb having nightmares while hopped up on surgery drugs. I think. Ha.
Pro-choice thanks tim411.
And if there is no heart beat, no mind and consciousness is it life?
The cells that make up that thing inside is life. They feed off the woman to survive and grow. Is the first mutation of a cell not cancer or does it have to fully mutate and grow to become cancer?
Right when the cells come together it is life. I don't care though. I use to care about life and giving things a chance, but the chances are high that if that kid gets to be born it will grow up to be an *beep*
I'm constantly bewildered by those who care about a fertilized egg that has developed into nothing that resembles a human being far more than the human beings who are living, breathing, thinking, and most of all suffering in the world today. Once these kids are actually born into the world, you couldn't care less about what most of them endure throughout their entire lives, considering unwanted children raised by single parents are quite disadvantaged and are statistically prone to a number of psychological and financial problems.
We should be putting resources towards helping the currently living kids who are in bad situations rather than continuing to encourage people, who lack the resources necessary to properly care for children, to bring more children into the world thus overwhelming the system.
Help me out here. Is an unborn child "just a clump of cells" for 9 months and then magically becomes a human child when it passes through the birth canal? You've obviously never seen a fetus if you think it looks nothing like a human. They look quite human as early as 12 weeks. Children born at 20 weeks actually survive 50% of the time these days. So is it ok in your professional opinion to kill that child born at 20 weeks? What's the difference between a 20 week gestation child outside the womb vs one still inside? I'm dumbfounded by those who purport to care so much for disadvantaged children yet have absolutely no concern for a viable child who hasn't had the good fortune to pass through a vagina yet.
shareGeez, you've got to be an incredibly egocentric person to think that you should be able to force other people to do whatever you want with their body, especially when their actions have no effect on you whatsoever.
shareI don't think abortion should be illegal but the reason why people are against abortion is because they think it's killing. Which it kind of is. Something like cosmetic surgery is an example of someone doing what they want with their body. Abortion means terminating a life, and since people tend to think murder is wrong, for some that view extends onto abortion.
shareI suppose masturbation or wearing a condom is killing too. All of those precious sperm could have been babies. Besides, the people who care about unborn babies who haven't developed into anything close to a living human are the same people who couldn't care less about the babies once they are born. Unwanted children born into single parent households will likely suffer their entire lives and the parent will be trapped in poverty and living on welfare (which the pro-life crowd will complain about paying) due to being forced to raise a child before having the necessary resources. Nobody wins and everyone loses when we don't allow a woman to have an abortion. If pro-life folks actually cared about the babies, they'd be offering to adopt these babies instead of battling to ruin both the child's and parent's lives.
shareYou can disagree with abortion while also supporting welfare programs, or generally disagree with how the rich benefit over the poor. I also disagree about the adoption part. That's like when people say "What about the people in Africa?". You can have an opinion on abortion without wanting children.
shareThanks for stating the obvious. Also, no one likes the fool who feels the need to point out that there are rare exceptions when I made it clear that I'm speaking in general. You are entitled to have a ridiculous and groundless opinion, but that doesn't mean I can't offer critical analysis and demonstrate why you're wrong and then chuckle as you post an irrelevant rebuttal.
shareBut you're only criticizing conservatives regarding caring for unborn babies but not born babies, and that doesn't apply to everyone. Also, people feeling like they need to abort babies doesn't make it less wrong. That wouldn't be the case if poverty didn't exist. So it's not pregnancies that are the problem but their living situation. This whole conversation is also pointless when you take into account rich or at least middle class people also abort. They do it because they just don't want a baby. That's where the moral issue lies for some people, that you're killing, for all intents and purposes, because you can't be bothered to birth a baby. I said I think it should be legal, but it will never be alright.
shareI never said anything about conservatives, so you're the only one who applied it to them. to reiterate in simpler terms for you, people who don't want a baby shouldn't be forced to raise a baby. This wouldn't be a good situation for the baby or parent. If someone wants to force a person to have a baby, the person advocating for the birth of the baby should also be willing to step up and raise the baby.
shareI don't think so, that's like saying people who are against capital punishment should be willing to deal with and rehabilitate hardened criminals. It's a matter of principle and belief in right and wrong. I also said I don't think they should be forced, but they are killing, whether they like it or not. I've even heard many people say they would have no problem with late term abortions if it were legal.
shareTo use your own metaphor, I don't think people against capital punishment should complain about housing criminals in jail nor is it better to not kill someone in a moral manner yet then violently torture them until they die while also condemning the criminal's parents to a life in prison as well. That's basically what a pro-life person is saying in your metaphor.
shareI don't believe in prisons though. We don't need them.
shareThey resemble precisely what a human being is supposed to look like at that point in their life cycle, just as we do now.
"Once these kids are actually born into the world, you couldn't care less about what most of them endure throughout their entire lives"
Baseless assertion to make against people that are opposed to killing children in AND out of the womb.
"considering unwanted children raised by single parents are quite disadvantaged and are statistically prone to a number of psychological and financial problems."
They can give them up for adoption if they don't want to/don't feel they can afford to raise the child...just don't kill them.
"We should be putting resources towards helping the currently living kids who are in bad situations rather than continuing to encourage people, who lack the resources necessary to properly care for children, to bring more children into the world thus overwhelming the system."
We should stop acting like it's acceptable to kill a child because we feel that their lives will be so poor and disadvantaged that they won't be worth living...based on the same logic, might as well make it acceptable to kill children that we already know have poor, disadvantaged lives.
Perhaps some of that money that gets pumped into killing off our future generations could be put to better use helping to raise children and provide better lives for them.
+++by His wounds we are healed. - Isaiah 53:5+++
What's funny with you pro life nut jobs is you guys don't give a damn once the baby is born. What happens if the parent can't afford to take care of the child? Since you right wing nut jobs are against government assistance it just baffles me how you guys can say you're pro life. Your pro life alright only when the baby is in the womb.
shareBeing pro-choice also includes the choice to not go through with it, a choice that I would assume is hard to make and fraught with second guessing, none of which contradicts a pro-choice stance and is simply a plenty compelling circumstance to be dramatized in any genre
shareIt shouldn't be too fraught with second guessing when you reflect on the fact that "Oh, I'll be killing a human no different than me.... the only difference being that I'm standing in front of the future of that human, making the decision whether or not it gets to have a future like mine."
If you never had the right to life as soon as you were conceived.... then you never had any rights that ever mattered anyway.
If your existence, your being allowed to go to that next stage of life could be ended simply because you may have been an inconvenience to someone else.... then there are no 'rights' that you (or anyone) hold in any meaningful way.
i agree. it should be up to a woman to decide what she wants to do with her body. I agree though abortion is wrong because it is murdering an innocent life that didn't ask to be created...but its also up to the woman to choose what she feels is right being it is her daughter. these choices aren't made lightly, and for those claiming its sneaky christians, while i'm not a christian myself, its not ALWAYS them sneaking their beliefs into movies this touches a very compelling topic like rregan-3 said above.
share"i agree. it should be up to a woman to decide what she wants to do with her body."
A woman doesn't have her own body aborted, so that statement is a very poor way of condoning the acceptability of abortion.
+++by His wounds we are healed. - Isaiah 53:5+++
Actually moron...She has a right to decide what to do with her body--meaning if she is pregnant, she has a RIGHT to decide what to do about that pregnancy. it is still her body regardless no one elses'. she's not aborting her body you fool. she's aborting or rather deciding what to do about the pregnancy. you clearly didn't read properly. It comes down to HER rights and what she wants to do with HER body
shareWhat about the baby's rights? That's kind of why it's an issue.
shareits wrong to abort yes but its still up to the woman to choose. we dont have the right to make someone do something against their will when its regarding their body but i think this is just a movie and should not get so serious
shareSalt wards off demons. Nothing to do with abortion.
The movie had nothing to do with pro-life. It was a horror movie about demons wanting to claim an unborn child. Not unheard of in the annals of horror.
All of the people here who see a pro-life propaganda film have something psychologically wrong with you. Please see a doctor asap.
LOL thank you! I came here to read the reviews after wasting an hour and twenty minutes of my life and I seriously thought I missed something. it was just an awful movie people, stop reading into *beep*
shareIt is also not unheard of for horror movies to play out real fears, concerns, and tensions using supernatural forces as metaphors. She was being attacked by demons that wanted the child because it was unwanted not because it was unborn. That seemed to be what they were babbling about. And then she wakes up in the hospital, not looking beat up, no one overly concerned for her safety, no cop waiting to ask questions, and the first thing she does is go look longingly at the room full of newborns. Why is she even near the newborn window? I am inexperienced in hospital management, but most of them seem organized by specialty. It seems pretty clear to me that it is either a dream or a visual representation (because watching her sulk in bed isn't interesting to the viewer) of her own feelings about going through with an abortion. To call it pro-life propaganda is melodramatic in my opinion, and feelings of guilt, regret, and shame post-procedure defy political stance.
shareNot sure about pro life or pro abortion but you did watch a nightmare version of the WIzard of Oz. Dora has a bike like Dorthy, a tornado happens (in Dora's house), instead of getting knocked out she is knocked up, Dr. Henry is like Uncle Henry trying to help her. The little kids are a scary version of the Tin Man, Lion, and Scarecrow. Maybe just think of the film on those terms and then it doesn't have to be pro choice or pro life.
shareThat was EXACTLY the feeling I has after watching it.
IMDb: A place where actors are complimented for their acting, actresses for their boobs
Yip, shame, it had some moments - poor old Robert Patrick is getting a bit like Ron Perlman.Talented actors taking any old shecht that comes along.
Shame, it started well and the cinematography was really well done; spooky as were the little creature-kids but it all went downhill near the middle just couldnt keep up the momentum as so many films do these days - how disappointing.
Pro life - who cares , there is more in the world to be worried about than pea sized human tissue!
Religion really has a lot to answer for these days!
Its the biggest killer of all time!
Amazing to see how a film review can degenerate into a religious debate and name calling - dontya just love the internet!
Hellions incidentally are mischievous people so at least I learned something from the movie!
"Pro life - who cares , there is more in the world to be worried about than pea sized human tissue!"
Someones size doesn't determine their humanity or the value of their life.
"Religion really has a lot to answer for these days!
Its the biggest killer of all time!"
No, it isn't. Secular communism and genuine sociopathic greed with no belief in a higher power beyond ones own desires is the leader in that department.
A conceived human life in the womb is just that...a human being. Children have a natural right to their place in theirs womb, if they didn't the natural life cycle wouldn't have put them there.
Taking it upon ones self to intentionally perform an action to kill someone that has committed no crime is murder.
This isn't a belief, feeling, or opinion. It's basic biological fact. Ironic that you talk about the horrors of religion being the biggest killer of all time while using your lack of believer in a divine creator to deny the humanity of millions of victims of murder.
+++by His wounds we are healed. - Isaiah 53:5+++
Not really as with all internet nonsensical replies i do attend church and am a believer - devout actually.
If all the rape victims and all else were to survive the human race may not - overpopulation is a massive problem!
You avoid the realities of life by involving religion and whilst i applaud your decency i just dont believe that god would want unwanted children to be born into possibly abusive , neglectful households to be further abused like the 1400 young girls raped , tortured and some killed by muslims in one town in the UK Rotherham - muslims as you involve religion are the biggest abusers of children in the world and they have massive families of 10 or more children and in Africa of which they cannot feed - your argument simply doesnt hold water however laudible it might be, MORE disabled children with no quality of life or victims of rape into this world.
Sometimes sense must prevail!
"overpopulation is a massive problem!"
So we should take it upon ourselves to slaughter children that have done nothing wrong for the sake of population control...so the human race can survive...yeah, that adds up...
And no, it's not a "massive problem." If you ever take a plane anywhere, you can see HUGE areas of wide open, totally unoccupied space in various places all over the world.
"You avoid the realities of life"
No basis for this statement whatsoever, just your own pre-conceived notions about theists.
"by involving religion"
One doesn't need to involve religion to know why slaughtering children, in or out of the womb, is wrong...or to know that a human being is a human being in or out of the womb.
Also, it was you that involved religion in the first place. I was responding to your claims regarding the damage you think it's done compared to secular ideologies.
"i just dont believe that god would want unwanted children to be born into possibly abusive , neglectful households to be further abused..."
Taking it upon ourselves to decide for someone else that they're better off dead than living out their life because their life will be too hard is the sickest attempt at some twisted form of mercy and compassion that I've ever seen. "If we dismember and mutilate them now, they'll never be abused!" As I've stated previously, might as well go ahead and make it legal to slaughter children that we already know are living difficult lives by the same logic.
"Sometimes sense must prevail!"
And those times aren't when people propose mass genocide for the sake of population control or child murder sugar coated with some misguided (to be generous) sense of compassion.
+++by His wounds we are healed. - Isaiah 53:5+++
Now you are just talking jingo-theistic bollox
If you are not religious and hold a scientific viewpoint then it is not murder.
"you can see HUGE areas of wide open, totally unoccupied space in various places all over the world."
Lol are you serious - yeah deserts and uninhabitable zones like Patagonia lol - are you saying that the human race should fill every single space on earth even though we have a massive food shortage and climate problems - you are a real dumbass - i tried to give you the benefit of the doubt and respect your first answer but you are clearly deluded. The guy in the matrix was right - human beings are like a virus - they spread and infect every area of the world , use up its resources and move on until everything is infected and destroyed and you want to speed that up and you want to further the hurt of the billions of rape victims in India / Pakistan and most of the islamic world and all the unwanted children be more abused than they already are! F mad!
Have you any idea of the number of female underage children being abused by the satanic death cult they call islam around the world and you want to feed these devils even more!
I think Jesus would seriously kick your butt hard on that one!
You involved religion not me - You are a devout follower of Jesus no?
When is it a child - a few cells does not make a sentient being with life experience or the ability to feel pain or conscience unless you can conclusively prove this wrong.
People rant on about Jesus nuts like you and i've never actually experienced the vitriol that you are spewing from someone who is supposedly a follower of the greatest man in history but you seriously disappoint me if you are representative of the majority of christians these days! No wonder there are so many wars!
No, it isn't. Secular communism and genuine sociopathic greed with no belief in a higher power beyond ones own desires is the leader in that department.