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Isn't the entire premise just dumb?


"An emotionless utopia"? Setting aside the oxymoronic quality of that phrase for a moment, isn't the entire premise of all these humans having no emotion just about the dumbest idea for a movie there is?

Having feelings and emotions is integral to being human. How would a world like this ever even come to be? Is it even explained? Aside from the fact that I can't imagine our species ever becoming "emotionless", there is also the little problem of it not even being logically possible - unless it's a society that is only absent "certain" emotions that are specified in the story. ALL emotions vanishing can't happen.

In one of the first scenes, two people go through a turnstile at the same time, the man steps aside for the woman and she says thank you before going through. Why would anyone ever say thank you? What point would it serve. If everyone is emotionless, there is no such this as politeness anymore. If she didn't say thanks, he wouldn't feel bad. Saying thanks doesn't make him feel good. There is literally no point, and in fact is a waste of energy and time.

And if you reduce it to it's most elemental, the fact is that you have to "want", which is an emotion, to obey the rules.

It makes no sense on so many levels, it's hard to fathom how anyone can write a story like this, much less enjoy watching it.

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Not really. If you can control human emotions you can control your citizens. Logic rules the day.
And it's not really a novel concept...it has been done many times before.
There's another thread on this subject with other variations on this theme. I would also throw in This Perfect Day by Ira levin along with things like The Matrix, 1984, THX 1138," "The Island," "Equilibrium," "The Giver," ...

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I haven't watched the movie, just skimmed it, so I need to ask... are the people in the movie depicted as having no emotion? Or do they have emotions but are forced to suppress them by the powers that be? Is it explained?

My problem is with the depiction of humans as simply not having any emotions. Without lobotomizing everyone, I can't suspend reality enough to get there.

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Without giving too much away...people believe emotions to be a sickness and are encouraged to take a cocktail of pills to control the "disease".
At the beginning it is said there is no "cure" but it can be managed with medication. Sometimes the medication stops working or they build up an immunity and are heavily encouraged to visit a DR and get back on track with another series of treatments. The disease is said to progress in 3 stages.
No one wants to get to the last stage because it means certain death (through suicide or the government it appears)
This movie is about a couple of people for which the medication stops working and they decide not to continue with a cure or the maintenance doses.. and become "hiders".

The people in this film are not monitored and under surveillance as heavily as they are in something like "1984" but there is still a strong lack of freedom to be an individual and to be anything less than a cog in the wheel will not be acceptable.. But the medication seems to keep this problem mostly under wraps. Most don't have a desire for anything more.

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The movie is about authoritarian suppression of emotions. The people still have emotions, they are just conditioned to repress them.

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It's the philosophical debate of controlling/suppressing emotions to avoid bad things to happen. The turnstile scene obviously has emotions involved. Another example of emotions involved: when he resigns his job, he was told that the jobs at Atmos are highly wanted. Well, wanting a job somewhere believing it's better than other jobs it's because emotions. A robot, or a bee or ant (if you want a living thing) doesn't have a preference about it's work, it just does whatever it was programmed to do by it's software or genes (or whatever it was asked to do). The movie theme is about what's most important, species or individuals, should society function as a bee colony and survive and thrive as a species, or should individuals follow their emotions, which make them "human" but inevitably lead to wars and bad things in society, as we all know.

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Actually it may sound goofy but having seen the movie, it is a fascinating look at a society conditioned to supress emotions like males in our society are told to hide their feelings. To "suck it up"

Good movie

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Right, did he even know that she's pregnant, or what she got picked up, for?.. Or, is he acting out of prior commitment? Maybe he is giving her the bus ride, out of respect (for example, reasons may be many), prior to coming to the end of the road... Just as the security officer had acted, once cured - or, inhibited. We don't know where that road takes them. =)

*You know, maybe it's a parting gift (can't just put her in chains, after all that); or, perhaps, as everyone is getting busted - they both know that they're spending last, few, moments of (mutual!) freedom; as she's an incredible gift to him, a living (albeit, "feeling") memory.

Life will still go on, once they're returned, but they will have lost everything - everything they -really- are, as one of them had discussed in a group meeting.

Edit: ^^ It's a wonderful ending, open for critical thought... Great movie, I prefer to think of it as not a tragedy (everything -else- that I hadn't written above. :))

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There are many novels and films which use this same premise of a dystopian future where emotions are suppressed through technological or psychological means.

You make a good point about the redundancy of saying "thank you" but I would not say this is a plot hole by any means. We say "Hello" and "Thank You" hundreds of times a day as a purely automatic response. When I say "thank you" to someone for holding the door or handing me something, it doesn't really hold any emotional value to me, it's just an automatic response. Obviously these are polite phrases which evolved to serve the function of maintaining a civilized society in which people feel like they are respected and cared for by others. But now they are mostly just automatic responses to somebody interacting with you in a facilitatory manner.

So I could invisage a future where emotions don't exist but people continue to use phrases like "Thank you" to acknowledge somebody doing something to facilitate you, such as prescribing to social norms by holding the door for your fellow citizen. It would almost be a vestigial trait, like the human appendix - a remnant of something which once held importance and purpose.

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I so understand what you mean. It's impossible for humans to survive without emotions. It goes against logic. There's millions of examples that can comprove this, but I'm sticking with the most obvious one. How the *beep* were they supossed to have babies and grow metally healthy individuals? Even if they did inseminations or in vitro fecundation and then insemination it still makes no sense simply because that baby needs someone to provide him/her love and care. Of course they can give them the appropriate "care" and education but that alone would make them emotionless, insenstive "people"...
For this the concept the movie was produced on makes no sense whatsoever. Nevertheless I kind of liked the movie cause of the two main actors, the caracters they played and the love story they shared.

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An emotionless, or at least emotionally suppressed utopia, is the only kind that can exist as a society. It was a concept touched on quite a lot in The Matrix actually. The machines tried to engineer a utopia where all mankind would be happy together but eventually realized that the wildly different personalities and desires of different people meant that such a place was fundamentally impossible to provide. With that possibility out of the way, you have to either let people live in society as we understand it today, where people are mostly free to pursue what they want but certain rules still apply to everyone, or you can go about trying to alter human nature itself, either through indoctrination, medication, messing around with our genetic structure, or a combination of the above. Heavy indoctrination is already used in authoritarian collectivist societies around the world and if those in charge of such a society figured out how to engineer a medical treatment or gene therapy that could get rid of a person's baser impulses while still preserving their ability to function as productive members of society, they would certainly do so. This movie explores that particular "what if" scenario.

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The name of the movie is EQUALS okay.

People are always talking about how all man should be equals, this movie is an idea of what an 'equal society' would be like.

Not only financial equality would come to play but also people couldn't be more popular than others, no ego etc so there has to be a void in people's personalities for a society to be truly equal which this movie plays on.

And also there was talks of a great war in the movie at one point, I believe that that was they suggested that world leaders came together with the idea that the only way to keep peace (and eliminate crime) is if people don't have any emotions and are truly equal to one another in every way possible.

And injected the newborn babies with something that would render them emotionless, ocassionally that would fade out for some and the natural emotions would still come out (SOS).

And the reason that peoples emotions were such a threat to the government or whatever is because they were happy in their emotionless but peaceful world and people with emotions are a threat to that.

As far as the 'thank you' politeness that was just trained behavior, usually stuff like that doesn't mean anything even in the real world but is just courtesy.

So it makes plenty of sense.

We don't have a dog. That was just some really violent sex.

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How often do you perform perfunctory social rituals that if taken at face value would involve meaning or emotion but in reality almost never do? They're reflexive rather than indicative of feeling, and because it doesn't much matter one way or another, those working to shape the interactions between people within the Collective would have no reason to attempt to remove it from the list of acceptable behaviors.

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