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9/10 A masterpiece in melancholy.


If you come across this - it's a must see for any movie enthusiast.

This movie will emotionally drain you if you let it, and it does impose itself strongly - if you take it in you will feel what it conveys.
This is melancoly at it's best and it conveys this feeling better than any other movie I've seen (I have seen more than most). This is one of those movies you have to seat yourself for allmost 3 hours, be by yourself and take it all in, in a silent/serene surrounding.
It depicts two sisters and their lives and creates a beutiful duality between the sea and life aswell as an analogy of it - which is clearly illustrated.

In the context this is portrayed this movie has the strongest scene without being climactic that I've ever come across (about 85-90mins in, even if you were only to watch that scene, it's a masterpiece - in context it's beyond) and it's so tightly knit to the analogy that's being made so naturally... That scene is just a masterpiece above others and brought this from an 8 to a clear 9 (if i were a fan of this type of movie I would probably have given it the perfect score).

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Great that you got so much enjoyment from this movie. It is well acted and beautifully put together on a technical level.

However, there is a lot to this movie that falls short. The pacing is out of kilter; the last hour is monotonous, and irritatingly devoid of momentum from the characters. It arrives at a set of events and then just dwells, and quite senselessly I thought. There is an expectation that adults will exercise some strength of character, to be able to move forward. No one here does.

Also, the depiction of multiple generations of women whose lives revolve entirely around men, the attraction of whom is unexplained, in a forgiving and submissive way, really reduces these women to mere caricature. This sort of stuff is not a lot developed beyond the feminine romance novels of the mid 20th Century.

I don't expect a story set in Greece in the early 20th Century to depict women as feminist heroes, but I think we can do better than the limp, weak women protagnists we get here. And I say this from a story perspective.

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"However, there is a lot to this movie that falls short. The pacing is out of kilter; the last hour is monotonous, and irritatingly devoid of momentum from the characters. It arrives at a set of events and then just dwells, and quite senselessly I thought. There is an expectation that adults will exercise some strength of character, to be able to move forward. No one here does."


- This is not by chance (which everything from the dampened soundstage to the dull colors represent (note the analogy with the sea and what colors she has when she gives in to her emotions), this is how the movie is made and this is a big reason why i call it a masterpiece of melancholy, it draws you into the same emotion as is portrayed on the screen (if you let it, this not meaning you did not let it but for others who read this).


"Also, the depiction of multiple generations of women whose lives revolve entirely around men, the attraction of whom is unexplained, in a forgiving and submissive way, really reduces these women to mere caricature. This sort of stuff is not a lot developed beyond the feminine romance novels of the mid 20th Century."


-That is simply how it was before the war - which is when it's supposed to be taking place. Things were in many places this bad regarding equality back then.
Not giving that space from my point of view would be re-writing history.
Women did not have the same type of work as men did, they worked at home, as the wars raged on women got jobs in factories, this was a big part in the the change overall in the battle to reach equality for the sexes.

"I don't expect a story set in Greece in the early 20th Century to depict women as feminist heroes, but I think we can do better than the limp, weak women protagnists we get here. And I say this from a story perspective."


-There were plenty of strong women in the early 20th century, just have a look about when the shift to equal voting took place around Europe and go from there, that is a theme I've also viewed a few movies about (so having a movie that depicts strong women in the time of war isn't far fetched).
However, I do not draw the same conlcusions as you do, we've come a long way since those times, for me this movie depicts the helplessness the main character feels in regards to doing what she sees as the only viable option and being unable to do anything else until she breaks down that wall (in her mind) and gives in to the bond expressed by the two matching souls (typing love just didn't sound right for the context).

You should also note that the lead male character is neither able to act as he wants and doing so pursues her sister instead, none of the leading male roles were left outside the doubts and hardships within about making choices, they all face deep setbacks and struggles aswell (if it's not reaching success with a ship of his own, choosing between two women/lives or being rejected as not good enough).

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Are you serious ? This is an abomination. Greek cinema has stucked in hell

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I was about to reply, but seeing your ratings for Paprika, Gravity, Whiplash and more, I won't bother. I think there is a lot you can't appreciate in cinema.

I Sympathize with Lars Von Trier.

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And gravity and whiplash are masterpieces something ,for you? Forget about it. Lets don't talk more.

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Please spend enough time on your posts to atleast make them stick together.

Sleeperaccounts aren't worth anything if they're not set up correctly (you have 6 posts during the last 3 years, all of which has been made since the 30'th of april, aka within one month from current date). As far as I know it's easy to script ratings and farm accounts.

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Posts by people with so bad taste of cinema aren't worth anything.

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And astroturfers are.

However I do recognise that avatar of yours from another discussion. I argued against one of your accounts before regarding 2001: A Space Odyssey. It is a masterpiece but it's strange how some think it's the climax of cinematography which is a far cry into the void. Weren't you the guy who also argued that Darren Aronofsky was useless more or less. Credit where credit belongs.

[EDIT] It might have been the movie Snowpiercer and nothing else.

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Aronofsky is ok. I like very much "the fountain". HAL 9000 is a very popular character. Maybe is used like avatar from many users.

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So please specify what you didn't like with this movie production and composition for its genre, so I can better understand why you did not like it. If it's the movie genre you don't like I do not understand why you rate it so low amongst movies as you know you are biased yourself. This is a masterpiece so it would be nice to know why you tried to lower its reputation..?

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Are you Greek ?

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No, I'm not greek and turning my questioning of your perspective around onto me won't work. The reason I'm answering this is not to turn myself into a negative victim of further accusations but to force you to answer my question as I did yours. If not you are dealing in intellectual dishonesty, if this is an unsupervised bot account it'll be fun to read the response (if no alerts has been set to key words). So now it is your turn, be lengthy.


So please specify what you didn't like with this movie production and composition for its genre, so I can better understand why you did not like it. If it's the movie genre you don't like I do not understand why you rate it so low amongst movies as you know you are biased yourself. This is a masterpiece so it would be nice to know why you tried to lower its reputation..?


[EDIT] Arguing with what is most likely bot accounts to raise awareness about the same is taking it's toll. Keep it up and you might be onto a winning point [note sarcasm]!

The rheotrical device you are trying to use is obvious and badly planned by whomever is behind the account (may it be a bot, astroturfer, aggregator, shill, stalker or whatnot), it tells me more about the cause than it will tell you about the effect in a normal situation (that is why I'm filling you in here about the latter, posting such a question shows the intellectual bar).
That mirroring was obvious beyond belief, why should someone argue against themselves? (yes this is a rhetorical question, i also answer it in this post to point of the lack in intellectual integrity by making this remark ironical when i do give you value for your buck twice).

Somehow I think every person has something good in them, if it wasn't given by nuture it might be aquired by rationality, contextual confines or freedoms, so whomever is behind the account...
"...every passing minute is another chance to turn it all around."


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Allright psycho.
I ll answer you to end this conversation.
Awful script, bad direction, bad actresses, boring theme (except if you are 13 year old girl) male characters unreal .

So. that's my opinion. You clearly disagree.
Go watch it again and again .

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Ad hominem - finally showing your true colors of the person behind the account.

Writing out negative words without an argumentation or explantion is as intellectually dishonest as I exspected when i held you to write an explanation to try and get an actual fruitful discussion going. Ad hominem's are just cherries ontop.
I do not think you've watched this from the beginning to the end, because if you were serious about your opinion you would without problems be able to rationalise it and doing so to support your point.

So, please you

Go watch it again and again .
I've watched it, I recall most of it and the wast majority of people who has voted on this realtively small movie from Greece agrees (thus showing I'm not a psycho for finding it weird you dimiss it without rationalising).

If the psycho was regards to the account you are sitting behind feel free to rationalise that too, for me it's obv. a sleeperaccount.

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I was ready to check your ratings ,so I can have a taste about what you consider "masterpiece".
But , hey it's private, so I can't see.

It's finally clear that you are hired to support this crappy movie.
Didn't they pay you enough ? That's the reason you become psycho like this ?
I really sorry. Hey , keep watching it! You never know...

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Mirroring my arguement about you being on a sleeperaccount (claiming I'm a shill) check my posts and you'll know that is true (sarcasm).

I was ready to check your ratings ,so I can have a taste about what you consider "masterpiece". But , hey it's private, so I can't see.

When you canno't fault the point, fault the person. You wan't me to open this up by giving you information to circumvent the actual thing we were discussing? Good luck with asking me to help you create an ad hominem out of thin air to attack me with.
I do wish to reach progress in this, you clearly don't.

I'm not an astroturfer (payed or unpayed hired lobbyist/shill), I do not use bots and, I don't use mulitple accounts (with extremely high probability, in difference to you).

I don't know what you hope to achieve trying to turn my accusations regarding you back onto me? Anyone reading this will pick up on why I'm posting as I do. Then you instantly go back to ad hominem, good luck with that.

You still haven't answered the question which were up there;

So please specify what you didn't like with this movie production and composition for its genre, so I can better understand why you did not like it. If it's the movie genre you don't like I do not understand why you rate it so low amongst movies as you know you are biased yourself. This is a masterpiece so it would be nice to know why you tried to lower its reputation..?


The same question you answered with a few words without any explanation etc, and that I was then to accept as equal for the rationalising I've made above... How is that fair in any shape or form? By now it is too late though, as I would not trust what you posted as you logically would have posted it earlier if you did actually care about the discussion or your "own" view. Copypasta from some forum or other site is most likely what would be spewed out.

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Im sleeperaccount and you re hired. It's your word against mine.
As for the movie , is low at all levels and I won't explain details.

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Seing as users can look through the history and match it towards the dates of when these posts were made people can easily make up their own mind.
Mimicing arguements and behaving like you did brings all the connotations intellectual dishonesty do - what that does for probability is easy to generally asume and be accurate doing so.
Besides you've used strong language and ad hominem as a go to game, which in the context expresses unwillingness to spend time in this thread debating the actual point.

I've openly denied I'm hired or use any illegit methods. Feel free to do the same instead of saying "Im a sleeperaccount..." that does not force you to lie outright if you are indeed doing what I claim you are.


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