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Steve Albini Allegedly Supports Murder Theory


For those who may not have heard it on Facebook, but an artist posted a comment that he recently recorded an album with Steve Albini, the producer for Nirvana's "In Uetero", and Albini allegedly told him he believes that Kurt was murdered and that behind the scenes most people who knew Kurt believe him to have been murdered as well.

You can read his comment at the below link. Just scroll down to the comment left by the artist, Mike Wren.

https://www.facebook.com/cnn/posts/10154583855911509?hc_location=ufi

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Well that's bollocks. Krist recently spoke out on Twitter about the murder theory, mocking those that believe it. Grohl was the one that made the first move to make amends with CL. I believe that Steve Albini might think it was murder, if only because of his intense hatred of Courtney. But Steve only produced In Utero. He was only around the band for a short time. I doubt he knew Kurt's family, friends and management THAT well that they would tell him they thought he was murdered. And all those people who believe it and don't do a think about it? It's rubbish. That Mike dude is lying.

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How can you call it rubbish so quickly? How about we see if Albini has a response or comment? Mike Wren is in Electric Church and Albini just did produce their album, so they did work closely together.

Steve produced in Utero, Nirvana's last album had a close relationship with the band since then. He also stated on the record that Kurt, according to what he witnessed, was not using heroin during the recording of IN Utero. He definitely has some insight to the latter part of Kurt's life. If he said that about the band mates then it should be confirmed.


I think Grohl is taking the high road and he did have a comment about Grant years ago on how Stern calling him a "Public Investigator" but he clearly thought Grant was trying to capitalize on Kurt's death at the time and most likely did not read anything about the case.

My opinion on Krist is that he currently very influenced by Courtney and has accepted that Kurt killed himself, like many people. Maybe he suggested it privately to people, who knows.

As far as family friends and management, Kurt's grandfather and Rosemary Carroll has had legitimate questions as to whether Kurt killed himself or not. There are others that do not think he killed himself as well. So, it's not a consensus that "all" his friends and family think he committed suicide. You also have to take into account that some might not have come out publicly with their opinions, yet.

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The comment said EVERYONE that was close to Kurt believe he was murdered. That includes band mates. I've come across a number of Kurt's old friends on social media (such as Charles Peterson, Carrie Montgomery, Everett True, Dylan Carlson, Alice Wheeler, Tracy Marander) and they all agree with the suicide verdict. The majority of them state that he was troubled in his last few moths and struggling with his addiction. Krist and Dave have also stated this. So I don't know who this EVERYONE is.

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Where did you get that Albini had been close to the band since the recording? There was a lot of bad feelings towards Nirvana's management because of what happened with the In Utero recordings. They got someone else to remix some of the tracks because they didn't like what Albini had done. Dave didn't like what Albini had been doing apparently.

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Krist asking him to remaster the original doesn't mean he was and is close to the band after the original recordings.

Steve Albini "Three days into the session, Dave called John Silva and said that he'd just been hitting the snare drums for three days and that I'd just been moving the microphone around that whole time. At one point, John Silva said, "Well, you know, it's like we said..." -and then Dave totally cut him off. It's like he was about to spill the beans on whatever Plan B was".

http://www.livenirvana.com/documents/mojoinutero.html

Albini: "Then Krist called me and said, 'Y'know, it just doesn't sound as good as it did in Minnesota.' And I reiterated that I felt like we'd gotten the full monty, I felt like we'd gotten everything we could out of the master that we could when we were in Minnesota. And that I was still of the opinion that we shouldn't tamper with it."

The band, however, was becoming increasingly glum about the Pachyderm recordings. They were determined to remix two songs - All Apologies and Heart-Shaped Box. And if Albini didn't think he could improve upon his own recordings, he would clearly take a dim view of anyone else trying. Especially if one of those people happened to be, say, Andy Wallace. In the end, he acceded to the wishes of the band, and gave them his blessing to "tinker around" with his recording. Krist Novoselic now says he feels the band simply didn't have enough time to reflect properly on what they had recorded at Pachyderm.

"That was the thing with Steve, it felt like once the record was done it was completely done. That's when the record label kinda stepped in and said, 'Hey…!' We had a confrontation about the situation. Maybe I shoulda spoke up at the time. I think it's a great sounding record. It's a highly artistic record. I don't know who else could have produced it except Albini.

"But," he laughs, "you know why we had to remix Heart-Shaped Box? You should hear the original version of that song, the guitar solo has this effect on it, it just sabotages the whole song. Steve and Kurt were colluding! I would go to Kurt, Why are you sabotaging this beautiful song by putting this hideous abortion in the centre of it? He'd be like, 'Well, I think it sounds cool.' I don't even remember what their arguments were. Some statement against commercial radio or something, the popular mainstream aesthetic… I dunno! I guess I finally, got my way. Scott Litt was an opportunity to change things.".

By the time Nirvana had repaired to Seattle's Bad Animals studio with R.E.M. producer Scott Litt in early May, the reverberations caused by Greg Kot's article were seismic. Newsweek ran a full-page story on Geffen's alleged infringement of Nirvana's artistic control, backing the essence of the Kot piece. Geffen issued a press release quoting Kurt as saying "There has been no pressure from our record label to change the tracks we did with Albini. We have 100 per cent control of our music. The band felt the vocals were not loud enough on a few of the tracks. We want to change that." Nirvana wrote a letter in response to the Newsweek article, criticising writer Jeff Giles on the grounds that he "ridiculed our relationship with our label based on totally erroneous information." The letter was subsequently reprinted as a full-page advertisement in Billboard. In the Geffen press release, meanwhile, company president Ed Rosenblatt stated: "As I have assured the members of Nirvana and their management all along, we will release whatever record the band delivers to us."

Which, in the end, they did. The version of In Utero that finally went into the shops on September 14, 1993 was exactly what Nirvana delivered to Geffen, exactly what the band wanted people to hear. The album was as recorded in Minnesota with Steve Albini, save for the two remixed tracks - both of which were released as singles - and a remastering session at which, in the assessment of Bob Weston, the band hoped to "change the overall sound of the album. The stereo doesn't sound as wide. The guitar has been flattened out a bit. On the original mixes the guitar would just leap out.

"But," adds Weston, "even with the changes that were made it's a great record. The songs are great and the recording is great and the performances are great. And besides, it's their record. If they wanted to remix a few songs and do a lot in the mastering, that's their prerogative. All that matters when you make a record is that the band is happy with the final result."

SENTIMENTS WITH WHICH ALBINI concurs absolutely, although he feels the final mastering was "overbearing. For my own personal satisfaction, because I worked on that record and felt close to it, I felt like it sounded better before any tinkering was done. When they sent me a copy I put it on and instantly I was disappointed in the mastering." Yet it was as much the media brouhaha over the mooted remix of the album which soured his relations with the band during a period when both parties should have been basking in the glow of a good job well done. In interviews around the release of In Utero, Kurt Cobain stated that the *beep* had all been Albini's fault, that he had no reason to be so paranoid. But as Kurt himself once sang: "Just because you're paranoid/Don't mean they're not after you..."

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My retort is to the comment "Steve produced in Utero, Nirvana's last album had a close relationship with the band since then".

He might be in touch with Krist and Dave since but he did not have a close relationship with Kurt from the sounds of it.

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Some more posts from Mike Wren on Facebook:


thats their stance publicly. It's not in Dave or Krist's best interest to speak out. Courtney is a business partner in the Nirvana LLC. theres no way around that for them. so they have remain on somewhat civil terms because of that for starters. There's also many many many other reasons as to why they would go along with it. however, Dave remains pretty vague as much as he can help and rarely if ever says "kurt killed himself". It's usually "when Kurt died" or "when it happened" something to that effect.


Again, Steve Albini has no reason to lie about this and neither do i. My bass player was sitting right next to me during the conversation with Steve. You're gonna believe what you want to believe and that's fine. I just thought i'd share some insight that comes from someone who was actually around and involved with the band and continues to be. Ask Steve yourself and i'm sure he'll be happy to tell you the same thing he told me and my bassist.


There's a lot of things concerning Pat Smear that i've wondered. i heard Courtney Love say in an interview on Howard Stern that Pat was "one of the people guarding Kurt in his final hours". She said it really quick and didn't go into any detail. She said another name as well that i cant remember. Pat seems to have spoken less than ANYONE about Kurt's death. Which makes me think he saw Kurt in those final days and its more difficult for him or something.


So, I'm curious to see if Albini will back this up.

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I don’t know if this man is telling the truth and I don't even care. Steve was not close to Kurt around the time of his death and Kurt didn’t even seem to like him because of what Steve had said about Courtney. I remember an interview Kurt did where he spoke bad about Steve because Steve had some nasty things about Courtney.

Why are people forgetting that Dave and Krist feuded with Courtney for 20 years? They only made up in 2014. At no point during that time did they ever accuse Courtney of killing Kurt or saying anything other than it was suicide. Dave doesn't need Nirvana’s money. He has his own successful band. Krist and Courtney have never been friends even when Kurt was alive, so I don’t know how Courtney suddenly has an influence over him now?

Also Pat Smear was/is friends with both Kurt and Courtney. Pat was around Kurt at a lot of important moments leading up to Kurt’s death. He was with Kurt in Rome, with Kurt after everyone left the failed intervention, and he visited Kurt in rehab before Kurt left to go back to Seattle. Pat has also kept a close relationship with Courtney. I believe Courtney said after Kurt died Pat was the only one of Kurt's friends who constantly checked in on her. I’m surprise the murder theorist haven’t thrown Pat under the bus and accuse him of having something to do with Kurt’s death yet. I will believe Pat and Krist who where actually around Kurt during that time over Albini who wasn't.

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Did you speak with Albini personally? I'd give Mike Wren the benefit of doubt over you, obviously. Let's see if this statement is confirmed or denied by Albini himself.

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If he ever sees it. Would a random post on CNN's Fb account from the 18th of March get back to him? Has Mike Wren made this claim anywhere else?

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Hearsay. Nothing more, nothing else. What's with all this debate, what's this, high school?



If I don't reply, you're most likely on my ignore list

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It is a theory. SiB and Grant can easily be debunked.

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