This is major news. The SPD has released pictures of the shotgun allegedly used by Kurt Cobain to kill himself. It has long been assumed that the shotgun was destroyed per the wishes of Courtney Love. There's no word as to why the SPD has decided to release the pictures at this time.
http://www.spin.com/2016/03/kurt-cobain-suicide-gun-seattle-police-new-photos-murder/?utm_source=spinfacebook&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=spinfacebook
It's... silenced?
shareNo I believe that's just the style of the barrel. Sly, can you expand on why this is major news?
shareTom Grant claimed SPD gave it back to CL and it was melted down.
shareCourtney Love herself said in interviews that the shotgun was returned to her and she had it destroyed. That's why Tom said that it had been destroyed.
Why would the SPD hang on to it? Highly unusual if they actually thought it was just a suicide.
Courtney Love herself said in interviews that the shotgun was returned to her and she had it destroyed. That's why Tom said that it had been destroyed.
Why would the SPD hang on to it? Highly unusual if they actually thought it was just a suicide.The SPD must be confident that it was suicide since they came to the same conclusion back in 2014. Who knows why they kept the gun? Maybe because Kurt being a celebrity? Remember they did review the case again 20 years later and I don't know how often if any that they go back and review other cases of suicide. share
The other guns that were confiscated were indeed melted down. So it's not Grant's fault for assuming Courtney was telling the truth about having the shotgun melted down as well.
There was not review. That was a preemptive strike because the SPD knew the documentary was coming out and so they wanted to attack first.
Remember, the SPD claims Kurt shot himself from the sitting up position, which is physically impossible for someone of his height, not to mention that the shotgun shell was found on the wrong side of the body had he really shot himself. The shotgun was not tested for prints until a month after Kurt's death. The can of rootbeer had it's contents dumped out before they could be tested and the SPD has been caught in multiple lies, not to mention that the lead investigator was brought up on corruption charges for another case. Don't pretend that the investigation was thorough or just.
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I have a thread dedicated to the cadaveric spasm, check it out:
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt3253624/board/nest/252046554?ref_=tt_bd_1
The other guns that were confiscated were indeed melted down. So it's not Grant's fault for assuming Courtney was telling the truth about having the shotgun melted down as well.Grant shouldn't be assuming anything when it comes to Courtney. Again why is he taking her words at face value? Seems pretty stupid on his part. Instead of saying Courtney claimed the guns were melted, but admit that there is no way to find out its true, he uses her comments as not only a fact but accuse the SPD of covering up something by melting down the gun. It is Grants fault. He even said he got it wrong in his statement about the gun release photos. Grant looks stupid. share
Grant shouldn't be assuming anything when it comes to Courtney. Again why is he taking her words at face value? Seems pretty stupid on his part. Instead of saying Courtney claimed the guns were melted, but admit that there is no way to find out its true, he uses her comments as not only a fact but accuse the SPD of covering up something by melting down the gun. It is Grants fault. He even said he got it wrong in his statement about the gun release photos. Grant looks stupid.
Grant had no choice but to take her statement at face value, because the SPD weren't going to disclose the info at the time. It was protocol, not a dumb assumption.
shareGrant believes Courtney , when her words help his cause. The rest of the time she's just a liar.
shareGrant believes Courtney , when her words help his cause. The rest of the time she's just a liar.
Exactly. Just proves he has no credibility and his evidence is flimsy.
Since there is no explanation as to why the SPD would have kept the gun if they actually thought it was a suicide and no explanation as to why they were now releasing the pictures, then the assumption is that it is an attempt to discredit Tom Grant, who has claimed that the shotgun was destroyed. However, Tom Grant only said that the gun was destroyed because Courtney Love herself said in media interviews that the shotgun was returned to her and that she had it destroyed. So keep an eye on this and see what happens.
shareDude it's over. Tom Grant is a fraud that clearly made stuff up. This evidence should be embarrassing to you conspiracy loons. Try to spin this diarrhea all you want.
shareDude it's over. Tom Grant is a fraud that clearly made stuff up. This evidence should be embarrassing to you conspiracy loons. Try to spin this diarrhea all you want.
Lol. You are an idiot or a troll. Congratulations.
Grant had no choice but to accept Courtney's statement at the time, because there was nothing else he could investigate about the shotgun at the time, because the SPD was choosing not to disclose the actual information about the shotgun at the time.
That's how investigations work.
Bye.
Still doesn't explain why he chosed to believe that and not everything else she said that can't be backed up by anyone else.
Tom Grant fanboys need to admit he *beep* up.
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No it's an attachment. Weird that they're not properly disclosing that...
shareNo I believe that's just the style of the barrel. Sly, can you expand on why this is major news?
Take a look at the length of the shotgun. I don't know how anyone can believe someone who was 5'9 or 5'10 could have used that gun to kill themselves.
shareIt gets worse. The SPD claims that Kurt shot himself from a sitting up position. That's completely absurd. If anything he would have to have already been lying down in order to do it. Nothing the SPD claims about the case makes sense. He was definitely too small to be able to shoot himself from a sitting up position.
shareThey say if was 5'9, but I think that's being generous. Another thing to note: his feet were inches(?) from the cabinet so there was not much leeway to fully extend the shotgun from a sitting upright position. Also, his hand on the barrel was in the middle of his chest with the gun perfectly on it's butt where his feet are. Wouldn't the kick of the shot gun at least knock the gun over. Seem like it was placed on his body.
shareI still haven't watched this documentary yet, but looking at the picture of the gun I am not sure why people say it was too long for him to pull the trigger? The distance from the trigger to the end of the barrel cannot be more than 70cm long. Even I can even make this distance between my mouth and my hand, and I am a short girl.
Just take a ruler and measure the distance between the trigger and the barrel in the photo. Then measure the distance between the policeman's mouth and his fingers. You will see that it is the same. And the policeman is not even stretching his arm or his head backwards.
As for the cabinet: I suspect that Kurt used it to stabilise the back end of the gun. This is why he was found so close to it. If another person wanted to kill him, they wouldn't place him so close to the cabinet as they wouldn't have enough space.
Sorry but to me the gun doesn't point to anything other than the obvious suicide.
Wow he was* much taller than I thought.
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