Risen?


There is a suggestion in Clavius' dream that Joses had not actually died, but outlived the cross, which is a more plausible way of understanding the phenomenon of the resurrection in Christian faith.

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I don't think it's more plausible because if Jesus had survived the flogging, the beatings, the crucifixion and the spear thrust, the resurrection accounts would loudly affirm that Jesus, post-crucifixion, was severely sick, anemic, probably febrile and in no shape to walk, teach, join the two disciples on the road to Emmaus, make the arduous journey north to Galilee, invite Thomas to probe his wounds, etc. The theology would be awful: God spared his Messiah from dying, but gee, just look at the mess that resulted from this divine "rescue". That's why so many "Jesus survived the cross" stories have him being taken out of Judea and nursed back to health, where he possibly ended up in India to resume his teaching. These legends reckon with the undeniable fact that a crucifixion survivor would not be worth a single damn for anything for months afer the crucifixion.

Resurrection does not involve a resuscitated corpse. It involves a miraculous quasi-physical life in a new "resurrection" or "spiritual" body, and that is what the Gospel Resurrection Narratives, and Paul's letters, describe. Additionally, the message was not that Jesus survived the crucifixion. The lesson was that the elite killed Jesus, and God's response to that was to raise Jesus up. Not only that, the Resurrection accounts show a new, radiant Jesus who is now an exalted, glorified heavenly being, coterminous with God and who will come to judge the world, and who can even be prayed to. None of this could have happened if people were catching glimpses of a half-dead, beaten, sick cross-survivor. The Resurrection is not an Elvis sighting, even of a battered, torn Elvis. It is depicted as an enounter with a quasi-angelic being who is now attached to earth by the thinnest of threads, and who after forty days of resurrection appearances, ascended to "God's right hand". There could be no mistaking the risen Christ for a barely-rescitated crucifixion victim.

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Excellent post...thank you for explaining this miracle to these pagans succinctly and easy to understand... Ya gotta have faith ye with so little...

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Thanks for the kind words.

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Please educate yourself on the punishments and tools the Romans performed in that era.

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Rather, please educate the board on Roman punishments, tools, and legal symbols including and/or other than those mentioned in the Gospel Passion Narratives (flagellum, stipes/patibulum, nails-spikes and/or ropes, sedulum, titulus).

And please explain why the use of standard or even non-standard Roman punishment methods, symbols and tools is relevant to what I, or the OP, wrote.

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No Evidence that such a event ever Happen 100% Fiction

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No Evidence that such a event ever Happen 100% Fiction

Bad grammar and logical fallacy. 100% BS.

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No Evidence that such a event ever Happen 100% Fiction


and no evidence, that it DIDNT happen.

you need faith.

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The Image of God (Latin: Imago Dei) is a concept and theological doctrine of the revered religions Judaism, Christianity, and Islam.
Thus, "Imago Dei", that man being made in the Image of God.
Christianity is based on the principle in that fundamental understanding of man's role, in following Jesus (as savior), who was the only human ever created “Imago viva Dei”, in the living image of God.
"The divine commandments are very brief and are all well known and common in every nation, for the light that reveals them to us is created along with the rational mind.'' Cusa

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Let me guess you are a Muslim.

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