Chrisjen Avasarala in Season 4 ...
My god they have her swearing like a sailor on shore leave. A little over the top I'd say.
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I thought the same thing. A little is fine since that's who she is, but this was overdoing it.
shareYeah, just a little. I was thinking while watching the season, why is Chrisjen a lot angrier than usual. Fortunately the actress can still deliver, to think 15 years ago she was Behrooz' evil mom on 24 lol.
shareThere are some things that are bugging me about this new season. A lot of it seems really contrived, and in a kind of silly way. Last season was pretty brilliantly written, but so far this season seems full of holes to me. The situation with Bobby Draper and her blackmail. It is so silly in an age of surveillance ... 100-200 years past where we are today with our Internet-enabled door looks and security cameras that they still have not solved the security problems with door locks, and keeping track of video. Then there is the failure of anyone to talk to anyone else throughout the whole show leading to a slow-motion crack up. And then Naomi running around on a planet when she is practically dying because her heart is not strong enough to withstand being on a planet for the first time after floating in space all her life. Ugh ... and a lot more. The person in charge of OK'ing the scripts and writing doesn't seem to really understand the show. Still, I like this show a lot so I'm hoping the last half of the season gets better.
shareMars lack of security in sensitive areas is an oddity for sure, but then again we don't know the regulations or laws of the MCR to be able to compare them to UN Earth or even present day Earth in which the Internet is involved in almost every aspect of our lives. On these shows, the Internet is kind of there, yet kind of not. It's different.
For all we know Mars citizens threw out security cameras because of privacy concerns.
I enjoyed the season, quite a bit actually.
I don't like Karl Tanner so that was just about the only weak point of the season for me, the actor always plays a "bad guy" and it's annoying.
Clearly Mars did not throw out the security cameras, and you are behaving fairly biased because you like the season ... which is understandable. Don't totally forego logic though. Imagine what the IOT ( internet of things ) will be like in 200 years or more knowing the speed of technological change now and that it will only increase.
But who is Karl Tanner? You mean the homicidal Marine from the Edward Israel? That is Burn Gorman ... seems like an appropriate name.
Just saying, anything can happen in the space as little as 5-10 years, let alone a hundred years. We actually live in the most peaceful time in human history right now, despite what 24/7 media may have you think, and that can change on a dime and when it does, all our predictions about 50-100 years from now get thrown out the window.
Yeah he played Karl on Game of Thrones, so I call him that. And he played the EXACT same type of character, lol.
Who was Karl on GOT? So many characters in that series I cannot remember them all.
Whatever happens in human history, technology marches on, and this trend towards surveillance and security is only going to become more airtight and un-foilable.
Burn Gorman tore up the screen this entire season
share"A lot of it seems really contrived, and in a kind of silly way."
My feelings too. One contrived problem to be solved after another, and silly. One of the silliest things was how the lightning went across the planet surface and just happened to score a direct hit on the settlement. And yeah, Naomi and her heroic struggle to adapt to gravity--dud. Just get back out into space, girl, and stick to low-gravity rocks like Eros and Ganymede.
The blindness problem seemed silly and contrived too, just more filler.
One last gripe: aliens build structures with a front door, but there's no ground floor or even an elevator or staircase???
And how everything happened together, all of the things AND a sight-threatening parasite that just happens to hit at the worst possible time. I am still not done with it, but I wonder, what happened. One would think with the show's existence on the ropes, and Amazon throwing them a lifeline that they would do better than to burn up Amazon's money, since a 5th season and more would be possible.
I wonder if the actors demands for money, and their desire to move on to better, and more high-paying properties plays a role in these shows not being better.
The alien structure ... who knows where it was built, when or how, or if that was a door, or where it was when the thing was originally built. What bothered me was the door. When Holden pushed the door up the wall was not flat, and certainly not hermetically sealable ... so why isn't water pouring through the cracks ... and that is water under a lot of pressure too ... since the flood is 30 or more feet deep?
Yeah, I had a problem with the flood not entering more than it did, but there were so many problems. And I really like this show and don't want to complain about it!!! But I really liked the previous seasons and expected something at least as good.
I think they generally ran out of ideas. And browsing older episodes that I liked, the 2 tensions giving energy to the show were: 1) the risk of a Mars-Earth war and the various scheming and skirmishes leading up to it, and 2) what was the protomolecule, what did it want, what would it do, where would they find it next, etc??? All that was gone this time.
Yes, there definitely was, at last so far as I have seen, a little over halfway, a big drop-the-ball series of episodes where the proto-molecule is pushed to the background for no reason other than to distract us with all these ridiculous disaster sub-plots.
Another thing is after last seasons great performances of Klaes Ashford and Camina Drummer ... both of whom I really liked, they are relegated to hardly doing anything. Those two are gold on this show.
The only plot that I think is a good one so far is the Roberta Bobby Draper one. It reminds me of Ellen Ripley in Aliens when she got rescued from her lifepod and could not find a job to survive on because of the corporation.
Yeah, the Bobby plot line was better than that boring planet the settlers were on. And we got to see more dimensions to her character, which I liked. Plus it was interesting how Martian society was changing.
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Speaking of dropping the ball, there were a few other things that seemed weird:
1. Chrisjen sends Holden to Ilus as her personal envoy, but I don't think we ever see them talk again. Just didn't make sense--he should have at least been trying to get her help against crazy security guy, plus she should have been using him somehow for re-election, because she uses and manipulates everyone.
2. Clarissa starts the whole season calling Amos from jail, never to be seen again. I'm not saying I wanted to see her again, but to start that way, I thought she and Amos would continue some awkward long-distance relationship that we might see every 2-3 episodes, but nada. Why bring her up at all? We don't see Jules-Pierre again. And we barely see Fred Johnson again (and that haircut was not flattering).
I just watched the last episode ...
Very unhappy about Ashford, he was a great character.
I think Holden, as the envoy, was too busy to communicate once they got arrived. Then the communication was cut because of the power issues.
Poor writing and a poor plotting usually brings along false leads to make it seem more complex or deep.
One thing I think I like about this show is the emphasis on forgiveness, redemption and reconciliation.
The change in the Martians was a big plot element, but I don't really get why. Was there a big change in Europe when people started coming to America? Did they fall into helplessness or depression?
Some of this did not make sense. But, I get to watch the last episodes again with my girlfriend tonight.
Then there is the fight between Amos and Murtry. That was stupid. Amos is a smart guy, and giving Murtry any chance at all to beat him and go free he should understand as a bad idea, even above his noble idea of fair play.
Also, all the dead space in this season, at least some of it could have been about filling in the backstory on Marco Inares.
Of course, then there is the proto-molecule ... is it really all gone, and Miller ... is he really gone for good, or are they just jerking us around?
Avasarala's story was handled better. Now maybe all the swearing makes more sense in that it was too much negativity for her husband.
But, if that guy was her husband, who was the guy she used to hang out with on the roof? Arjun Avasarala .... was that her father?
"One thing I think I like about this show is the emphasis on forgiveness, redemption and reconciliation."
>> Agreed! They only get to that point after much needless aggression and violence, but they do get there ultimately.
Amos and Murty: I liked how Amos called him out as a killer posing as a security man, but after that, it got kinda dumb. And then Amos, his gf Wei, and Murtry in a 3-way shootout just seemed too dumb for Amos to do.
Arjun: I read that they recast him with a new actor, but without explanation. I thought new Arjun was pretty good.
Mars: it was already undergoing change as it demilitarized, but the really big change was discovering new worlds they could claim as New Mars 1, New Mars 2, etc, so they no longer needed to terraform Mars, which was costly and was taking generations. And Martian society was built on the common goal to terraform the planet, so lose your goal, and you do become lost as a people until you can find a new goal.
Yeah, Ashford didn't need to die, and he assaulted the ship with what, 3 other soldiers!??!!? Dumb. (Plus, I thought it was awful of him to send his last soldier to shoot and kill so he'd be the survivor.)
>> >> Agreed! They only get to that point after much needless aggression and violence, but they do get there ultimately.
The human condition and the basis of all literature, comedy and tragedy.
The foolishness of the assault plan at then on Marco Inares. This was downright insulting our intelligence.
Found this on the web: If something seems different about Arjun Avasarala, Chrisjen Avasarala's husband on The Expanse Season 4 on Amazon Prime, it's not in your head. Arjun Avasarala was recast for the fourth season of the hit show, now that it's moved to Amazon.
I thought it seemed realistic in this season the uneasy relationship between the Avasaralas. The husband was too much of a wimp. But it did accomplish getting me to think about that relationship as being more than just a cardboard cut out of a character, which I thought was good. With writing sensibilities like that, I don't know why the rest of the stories and plot lines were not more believable?
I thought Arjun was wimpy, but that seemed credible to me: he married a woman with more strength and ambition than he had, and he was used to letting her doing all the driving. But even he had a breaking point. So, their relationship was believable to me. And yeah, I wish those writers had worked on other parts of the show.
And the good news--if there is another season--is that Bobby and Chrisjen will be working together again. I liked their chemistry in past seasons in an "opposites attract" kind of way. There were some good jokes between them too.
Bobby: "Should I pick her up and carry her?"
Chrisjen: "You try it!"
I heard that Amazon had committed to a season 5 ... so I really hope that happens, and then must have gathered a great team, maybe not the writers, to produce and direct, so I'm hoping Expanse goes on for at least a few more seasons. There are so many possible new stories ... and there is the writer out there somewhere of the books. Maybe he can be helpful.
I want to say Bobby Draper is one of my favorite characters in this show, but there are so many good ones. I think it's kind of sad too that this series shorted both Alex and Camina Drummer ... and one I really like. Her tininess of physique and her toughness of spirit and her team spirit is similar to Draper. Saw Cara Gee in another movie, not SF and she was great in that too.
Anderson Dawes was nowhere to be found this season either.
And I was wondering if Dominique Tipper was OK. Aside from her character, she did not look at glowing as she did in the last episodes.
I watched ... I think it was episode 7 or 8 where the corrupt Martian Detective opened Bobby's eyes to what was happening on Mars. Good points on that. There will still be a Mars, but yes, now they know the ring-gates all have habitable planets, lots of people in the crowded messed up Earth and beyond are going to be looking to emigrate.
I was more annoyed by her husband unbelievable behavior always being angry about everything as if he's the moral king of the universe. They wanted him to confront her but the way he had to behave in order to make that happen was very unbelievable at times.
shareShe's unbearable. Was her dialogue written by a 14 year old? First of all she can barely speak English, her pronunciation is dreadful. Second, her acting is easily the worst on the show and third, THAT VOICE. She's the worrrrrrssssst!
shareSounds like you better not watch the show or you might have an aneurysm.
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