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What would white people say if Sidney Poitier played Julius Caesar..?


Or if white run Hollywood and the white run TV broadcast industry had James Earl Jones play Alexander the Great..?

What would white people say if Chadwick Boseman played Elvis ..?

What if Morgan Freeman played JESUS CHRIST..?

What would white people think if Denzel Washington played Thomas Edison..?


What would white people say if Laurence Fishburne played John F Kennedy ..?

The "above industries" through the years has conditioned and B*ll Sh**ted the white community to embrace,believe and even accept this sh**t to be true..

Remember when white guys would dress up to play native Americans on the big screen and TV..?

The above may sound so stupid to white people is why it looks so "racist" and stupid to African Americans when yellow or white is cast into black history on the big screen and Television...

Just what would white people say...?

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I'm white. I can't speak for anyone else, but I would say "Good job. Obviously the choice was based on ability instead of skin color", which, as most of you continually point out, shouldn't be a factor in casting a role.

Schools with all or mostly black students still put on The Miracle Worker and The Sound of Music. I have no problem with that even though those were both about actual white people.

Let the role go to whomever is most deserving. Skin color doesn't determine how deserving someone is, right?


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All white people in America are not gonna feel the way you do about the above topic..

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Times have changed. You are living in the past. Avan Jogia is anything but white. The thing is, we don't know exactly what color the Egyptians were. But they could have been all range of colors as far as their skin goes. Guess what, Ramesses II had red hair which is found only in one race on this planet....did you guess which one? Yes, white people. So Ancient Egyptians could have white people and black people, and people of all kinds of skin colors in between.

To me it seams that any time a white person get's a historic role all the black people are up in arms just because they need something to make them look like the victim and a reason to point at white people as racist.

We don't know exactly what Tut's skin color was but by looking at his features he sure wasn't black so I think Avan Jogia as far as skin color goes is pretty close.

Here is what they think Tutankhamun actually looked like:

https://blissmaybe777.files.wordpress.com/2014/10/tutankhamun-real-face-the-virtual-face-of-pharoah-tutankhamun-final-treble-photo.jpg

Yes, he is ugly but he is not a black man. So, how do you feel now? Are you better?

But in all honesty, if a black guy played Tut, I would not had a problem with it at all. However a black guy would look funny as Thomas Jefferson because we know for a FACT that he was a white person. But hey, if a black actor could make it work, why the hell not?

Human torch is black now, Nick Fury is black now. I got no problem with this. Black people always need to look for racism where there isn't any. Why is that?

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Evil and "subtle" racism is still here, it has never went away it's shows it's ugly face in different ways every day... Man can't write a law and expect a person's mind and heart to change,it just does not work that way...
You must think just because Obama was elected President it's a new day,that's all BS ...
And since you think so much has changed , what about "reparations" for 400 years of slavery..?

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Let me ask you this: have you been a slave?Have you experienced slavery? Let me guess. Your answer is no because not even your grandfather was a slave. You and I know nothing about slavery other than what we read in history books and see in movies. So what "reparations" are you talking about? Who should pay for this? To whom shoukd the payment go to? Slavers and slaves have been dead for a long time. You are not entitled to anything just because your ancestors sufferd a cruel fate. But while we are at this topic. Fun fact; black African people went and captured other black people and sold them of to the Portugeese who are not white by the way and the Dutch. Than these slavers took the slaves to the new world to be sold. So than if you truly want "reparations" than look to the black people in Africa who captured your ancestors and forced them into slavery. Another fun fact; you know who ended slavery? The British. Guess what, the British are white people. I know, *beep* racists right? White people didn't create slavery but white people put an end to for sure. Also, white people were slaves to. Either people from this nation or that. Romans always took slaves from Germania and Gallia and Beitannia and thise were all white slaves. Romans however aren't 100% white. So what? Germans, French and British should demand some sort of "reperations" from the Italians now? Or it doesn't matter because it happened 1600 before Africans became slaves in the Americas?

You know what? You and all black people should stop pulling the slavery card already. It happened, it was a tragedy but the white race as a whole isn't responsible for that and not all whites are racist. That is guilt by association. But it's a FACT that white people ended slavery.

Theoughout history all kinds of people were slaves to a variety of empires. It's just fact. There is nothing that makes black people special other than the fact that they like to play the victim of a horrible practice that their ancestors had to suffer but the current generation has no idea about. So let's stop there with *beep* slavery ok?

As for racism in Hollywood. All I see is more and more people of color taking up major roles in movies and you know what? I think it's *beep* fantastic. This world is not just white, or black or yellow. It's a mix of all races. I don't see the racism that you see but no matter were you go you will find racist *beep* on ALL sides. Racist whites, racist blacks, racist asians, racist middle-easteners etc. It's just a fact of life. But to look for racism where it doesn't exists..... That... For that you have to be a racist yourself.

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The Portuguese and Italians are not white ? What are they exactly ? You need to look at them better. What you are saying is a combination of truth and fiction.

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You shouldn't say you and all black people. Not all black people feel like they are owed something.

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The Irish also, I have read here and there they are now digging up slave work houses for the child slaves they had and shipped off.

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I don;t really bother posting but when I see this black victim card bs I sometimes just can't help it. You complain about slavery but what about the 1000 years(not even exaggerating) of continuous attempts from the African continent to conquer Europe ? they even took some parts of it and slaughtered a lot of people + took slaves, should the white people also ask for something in return? because the damage done by black people is much higher than the one done by the whites. What about reparations for over 100 million taken lives by "peaceful" Islamists since the 7th century until now ? don't even dare mention the Crusades, they were an answer to the Turks occupying the holy city and the casualties were barely a million. ohhhh I'm such a victim ! my grand grand (multiply by 10) father suffered at the hand of the evil African people ! I am so huuuurt , I don't have to work, welfare please and safe spaces because I have to avoid confrontation and if someone has a different opinion than mine my world will crumble !

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I'm not feeling the thread maker's "agenda" because I can tell they're trolling just to get responses like yours to invest into them, but -- "Times have changed. You are living in the past," I disagree with.

I don't know what this business is about "reparations," but it's equality that's still a work in progress, not what happened 400 years ago. Times are certainly chang-ing, though we are not in a post-racial society quite yet.

It's impossible to be that fly on the wall if you're not a racially profiled minority or facing southerners who are happy to make lynch threats at your family, and it would be odd to act like hate crimes are not running rampant till this day, or as if the first children to be chosen for racial intergration are not living adults right now writing books about their battle against physically and verbally abusive protestors. None of that was 400 years ago, and as with Native Americans and our own basic family traits, generational trauma is DNA encoded.

Your take on Africa's part is also slighty halved.

Not only were they on the receiving end of pistols they themselves did not possess in order to "object," they specifically sold the "prisoners" they'd caught from enemy tribes; such people were not "their own" no more than the Scotts were to the English. However, African "enslavement" was far different from "European" enslavement, and their ideas and methods were not the same at all; the latter's level of dehumanization was documented as astronomical due to "Negroids" being seen as the lowest on the entire human totem, as we all know (yet the grittiness of slavery is being "washed" in history books in certain states of America today; slaves are being called "indentured servants" in their literatue instead now).

Though those African prisoners (the Portuguese are Caucasians) indeed felt hatred for the enemy tribes who sold them (yet that hate had been there regardless, since they were their enemies before Europeans came), but the people of Africa actually did attempt to retrieve them and re-integrate them. Those attempts failed.

The final abolishment of slavery was for [b]political gain/b], not human interest. Slavery was simply a decoy to fuel the balance of power being fought over between political parties, as are most things today when it, IMO, comes to "people issues" like gay rights to make everyone think the liberal media genuinely cares, etc. It's not at all to say that "all white people" are ____, but our headmasters? They don't really have anyone's human interest at heart; they have gain on the mind.

We certainly have more open-minded people in the world today, but the fact that a Hunger Games actress can be attacked all over social media for "playing a white character as a little black girl (who was never said to be white in the book to begin with)" along with the actress in the new Annie being criticized for being the same "miscast," (and that's putting it lightly) indeed says there would be equal disagreement over a non-Caucasian actor portraying an actual historical figure we all know to be European from several people. The Egyptians are an ambiguous topic (Tut's family lineage, however, was not), but Alexander and etc aren't. So they have a point there.

Their motivation, however, is not genuine or anything but misguided, so please don't put us all under the same blanket the way they are doing you. I certainly do wish everyone could put their attention on The Powers That Be, not such and such who just so happens to share a certain complexion with others, so I understand your perspective. The only reparation we all need to make is learning from history and not repeating it, while at the same time acknowledging that the mentality from those before us is still an institutionalized matter that has -- in one way or another -- shaped the way we perceive, live, and portray our dynamics in America, so "that" is not over.

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Here is what they think Tutankhamun actually looked like

Thanks very much for that link, Ares; I found it genuinely interesting. I think he does look African, though of much paler skin colour than I might have expected. And seeing that image, I remembered reading about his heavy hips and thighs, which it was theorised pointed to a congenital weakness that lead to a fracture of his leg or pelvis and ultimately to his early death. (He obviously wasn't the lean and agile sword-fighter this production depicts him as!)

But, back to the casting issue. I suspect this show would have come in for a bit of stick however they cast it. I'm pale-skinned myself, and haven't ever had to struggle for credibility on that score, so I accept there are experiences I have no in-my-bones appreciation of; but watching the first episode, I was pleased to see that they at least didn't populate it with pale-skinned Europeans with an excess of eyeliner, like a certain recent big-screen Biblical epic did. True, they look more Persian to me than North African, but at least it's a step in the right direction, isn't it? Maybe the next production set in that part of the world can get closer to accuracy, by starting in the footsteps of this one.



You might very well think that. I couldn't possibly comment.

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There blacks,browns and east asians with red hair,so white are not only ones with red hair.Whites have the most but other races could have red hair too.Oh and the original native egyptians were black africans.

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no, they do. like he said, all black schools put on plays with all black casts. other countries make movies about many subjects, sometimes including america, with non-white or non-american cast playing white/american characters. and accuracy usually depends on resources.

nobody cares. nobody cared when female roles used to be played by men in plays. theater and film doesn't live or die on how realistic or accurate it is, it's about imagination. so why not put a tan on someone and say they're egyptian? It's not even that far of a stretch.

And if you think egyptians were black, they were not. They had a kingdom that included black populations in their territory and sometimes had black rulers. But it's not nearly as dramatic as having someone of one color play another. And Cleopatra certainly wasn't black, she was greek.

I mean, if you want to equivocate, it's weird for an englishman to play Julius Caesar, or for all the romans to have english accents. But nobody cares.

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I'm tired of seeing white people on the silver screen.

First, let me note that I am white. I am a white woman who goes to the theater to see probably a dozen films (if not more) in a given year, a white woman who readily consumes TV shows and series and often blogs/tweets about them. I love film. I love what Hollywood could be, but I must say that I don't love what it is, and that is a machine generating story after story in which the audience is asked to root for a white (usually male) hero over and over and over (and over) again. I'm tired. I'm tired of directors pretending that white actors are the default and that people of color are a distraction when it comes to filmmaking. I'm tired of black women in Hollywood being relegated to roles of slaves and "the help" over and over again. I'm tired of films convincing themselves that they are taking on something fresh and new, the likes of which the world has never seen, but in actuality adhering to tired tropes and stereotypes.

One example that comes to mind is Avatar, a "groundbreaking" film about aliens and humanity, which, underneath it all, is the same old White Savior story. But more recently is Lucy, the film starring Scarlett Johansson in which a woman named Lucy evolves and is able to use 100 percent of her brain's capacity after she unwittingly ingests a massive amount of drugs.

Lucy is about what humankind could be -- it's about possibilities. As Lucy's brainpower grows stronger and the volume of knowledge she is able to access increases, she delivers monologues about how little humans understand about death, existence, and the universe, mediating on time and history. The film likes to think of itself as reimagining everything that we think we know about humanity, and presents to us their vision of what the most evolved woman on earth looks like:

A blonde white woman.

See, I just can't get right with that.

You see, I was an anthropology major in high school and by the time I was 16 I'd learned all about Lucy (Australopithecus), the collection of bones found in Hadar and thought to have lived 3.2 million years ago, one of the oldest hominids we know of. Lucy the film doesn't try to hide how cute they thought they were being by naming the supreme evolved being in their film "Lucy" -- they show an ape-like creature crouched by a stream to illustrate just how far human beings have come, and say as much in the opening lines, depicting vast cities built up to show our progress. The original Lucy was not really an ape, though. She had small skull capacity like apes, but her skeleton shows she was bipedal and walked upright like humans. Hadar, by the way, is in the Awash Valley of Ethiopia.

So I guess what's sticking in my craw is the assertion that while human life originated in Africa -- a detail the film neatly skims over, placing the ape-like Lucy that Johansson sees in North America -- somehow the way we imagine the most evolved human being is blonde and white. Even more, when Lucy gets surges of knowledge in the film, her eyes flash brightly blue. Because blue eyes, we all know, are the universal symbol of superiority, right?

How is it that in a film whose premise rests on the idea of reimagining the past, present and future, we still end up with a blonde white woman with flashing blue eyes as the stand-in for what personifies evolution and supremely fulfilled human potential? At one point the Ape-like Lucy and Evolved Lucy meet face-to-face as Evolved Lucy does a bit of time-traveling. Their fingers touch, and we see them deliberately posed to mimic the famous Creation of Adam painting, and in that moment I saw what I suppose we were supposed to see: humanity at its beginning, and then humanity at its end, at its most perfect. Blonde, white and blue-eyed.

I can't accept that. I can't accept that there was only one black woman in the entire film, who delivered one line and who we never saw again. I can't accept that the bad guys were Asian and that although in Taiwan, Lucy's roommate says, "I mean, who speaks Chinese? I don't speak Chinese!" I can't accept that in Hercules, which I also saw this weekend, there were no people of color except for Dwayne Johnson himself and his mixed-race wife, whose skin was almost alabaster. I can't accept that she got maybe two lines and was then murdered. I can't accept that the "primitive tribe" in Hercules consisted of dark-haired men painted heavily, blackish green, to give their skin (head-to-toe) a darker appearance, so the audience could easily differentiate between good and bad guys by the white vs. dark skin. I can't accept that during the previews, Exodus: Gods and Kings, a story about Moses leading the Israelite slaves out of Egypt, where not a single person of color is represented, casts Sigourney Weaver and Joel Edgerton to play Egyptians. I can't accept that in the preview for Kingsman: The Secret Service, which takes place in London, features a cast of white boys and not a single person of Indian descent, which make up the largest non-white ethnic group in London. I can't accept that in stories about the end of the world and the apocalypse, that somehow only white people survive. I can't accept that while my daily life is filled with black and brown women, they are completely absent, erased, when I look at a TV or movie screen.

I can't accept that. And I can't accept that when we think about the potential of humankind and what our brains are capable of doing and thinking and feeling, that people of color would be absent from that imagining. I can't accept that. And I won't. I'm tired of seeing people that look like me crowding screens both big and small: I am not what the world looks like. Hollywood, stop whitewashing characters. Give us more films like this year's Annie. I'm no Lucy -- like everyone else I'm only using a tiny amount of my brain's capacity. But you don't need to be a superhuman logic-machine to see that Hollywood has a major problem with depicting people of color, and it's time to actually reimagine what the world can and should be.


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A cast that matches reality will work.

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I can't accept that every character in every Bollywood movie is Indian and they don't represent anyone else. I can't accept that. I can't accept that every movie coming out of China has a 99% chinese cast. I can't accept that. I can't accept that. I can't accept that.

Do you see how stupid that sounds?

There are plenty of people of color in the movies made by Hollywood but because the majority of USA is white, they will be catered more to but not by much. Not anymore. There are plenty of movies that have none white leads or characters that are very inportant but unless the characters skin isin't pitch black, it's white washing right away huh?

How about you start getting accepting reality and not listen to racists who complain about every God damn movie that has a white actor in it?

Especially Tut. It had a lot of different people in it. Tut was not white, hight priest was not white, Tut's sister isn't white, the general wasn't white. The Hittites were not white. What's the problem here? That two major characters were white? Ohhhh my God. White washing!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Well to the racists Ben Kingsley is white when it suits them and he is Indian when it suits their argument. You can't win.

This movie is full of none white actors and it's still accused of white washing. Just because all the characters isn't pitch black skinned people it's automatically horrible and racist.

But it's clear who the real racists are.

People want diversity in movies, they sure got it in Tut. Yet they still complain. So yeah, there is no winning with these idiots.

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Just to let you know that you are way behind the times. Morgan Freeman played GOD; I didn't see white people carrying on about it. In the running for the new James Bond? Idris Elba.

Really this whole white washing Hollywood conspiracy is getting old. How about we worry about important issues like how A white supremacist walked into a black church and MURDERED nine people. Then he was provided a bulletproof vest and a trip to Burger King while black men and women who may have committed a minor misdemeanor offense are shot dead in justified police shootings or found dead while in police custody?

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And you're referring to a "stupid comedy" with Jim Carrey,right ..? Let Hollywood produce a serious movie with a black guy playing GOD and watch how it would sink at the box office.. You won't see too much white support because race relations in America is poor in 2015 ..


http://www.nytimes.com/2015/07/24/us/poll-shows-most-americans-think-race-relations-are-bad.html?_r=0

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2015/06/17/black-americans-now-see-race-relations-as-nations-most-important-problem/

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I am black and arguing about the fact that Hollywood assigned the role of Tut to an actor who happens to be a person of color who just ain't 'black enough' to suit your taste when blacks and other people of color are being murdered at will tells me that there are some really twisted priorities being displayed here.

And you think posting links to an articles about actual race relations (The problems blacks face on a daily basis) my very point in pointing out the church shootings somehow strengthens your point?

You and others like you are flooding the internet moaning about how Hollywood (A place built on fantasy) chooses to assign roles is some big race relations issue when the list of those dead from police use of unnecessary deadly force or being found locked in a cell dead grows almost daily?

You might want to note that it seems according to your posted links; Hollywood white-washing of history obviously is not THE problem.

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I applaud you.

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Thanks for putting that dumbass in her place. She's so stuck on some mythical Hollywood race thing, she can't see the actual horrors happening around the country. Kudos.

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I agree with you 100%. So much history has been stolen and rewritten to fit Europe's self-image it's not even funny. You shouldn't even have to apologize for telling the truth.

As you know, the world we live in is built on lies.

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I was fine with Samuel Jackson playing Nick Fury in the Avengers and the new guy that plays Johnny Storm in the Fantasic 4. In my comic books both were white people.

Hows that BURN? Quit bitchin for something YOU are not owed.

Get off your high racist horse and move on, get over it.

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Hulk was gray in comics and there were other hulks of different colors.There is now a east asian hulk.
By the way there was black nick fury in comics in the ultimate universe,that's why he is in the movie.There is black nick fury in the 616 main earth now too,but that's nick fury jr.

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I would actually love it! Morgan Freeman in his younger years would have given a perfect Jesus Christ. I would also like to see RZA playing Jesus Christ!

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I would not mind if someone would like to make a movie like that, but if they want a historiically accurate movie. Then the characters should look like we know By history that they looked like.

Like if you want 100% accurate movie of Lincholn or Martin Luther King, then Lincholn should be tall and white, and King should be a black man with a deep powerful voice.

I think that when you make a movie, especially about history or books, comics or anything that HAS a source material.
Keep close to the source material.
I did not first like that they changed Nick Fury to be black, but I accepted it.
But it was just because the character in the comics was not black.
I did not a still do not like that they turned the human torch black, just because if just makes no sence after all.
Why do they need to do so?
The movie was bad anyway, but the fact that they changed a character so known so radicaly makes no sence.
It still does not with Nick Fury, but Sam Jackson is a good actor and he brought some edge for that role so why not.
But you would not go and turn Jean Greay from a white red head to a Black woman with an afro? or to a chinese woman? or to a blond?
There are aspects in the characters looks that you regognize them from.
You don't go an make Hulk blue or yellow do you, why? Because Hulk is colored green in the source material.
So yes I think that Tut should have been black in this one.
But since through out the ages Hollywood has created an image of Egyptians being somewhat same looking middle eastern type people that are now in Egypt, they keep that easily regognized look.
Its the hollywood drama show, so the look is hollywoods Egyptians.

Sorry for my bad english time to time, it is not my native language.

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Hulk was gray in comics and there were other hulks of different colors.There is now a east asian hulk. By the way there was black nick fury in comics in the ultimate universe,that's why he is in the movie.There is black nick fury in the 616 main earth now too,but that's nick fury jr.

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Call it what you want but some folks have just not bought into the Hollywood and TV "BS" hook,line and sinker as some of you have..

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I don't see Hollywood fizzling away any time soon, so clearly more people "buy" into it than you might wish to admit.



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