point of the story is
she wasn't worth it, or he was too clingy ?
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"My name is Paikea Apirana, and I come from a long line of chiefs stretching all the way back to the Whale Rider."
shareLove can be truly unkind when salt is rubbed into people's gun shot wounds.🐭
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shareReally the drive of the whole movie was a little boy who thought he was in love. Unfortunately the girl didn't share that feeling.
Him being caught at her house by his father is really what started the whole mess for everyone. His father (a Lord) died, and Rose and her father had to flee to America.
Really the kid needed to grow up. And i think in the end he did.
"Luke Skywalker has vanished."
I thought the point of the movie was pretty simple. Do what you truly want with your life, regardless of the potential outcome. And that it's better to die having given life everything you had rather than live a long life of never going after what you truly wanted. Jay was a brave and strong young man.
shareJay was a 16 year-old romantic who got a lot of people killed over a woman who knew he was too young for her. He had the means, a one-sided motive, and a lot of learning to do. Which didn't do him much good.
Slow West is a very typical Scottish story: you can try and try, but if it isn't in your fate all your effort will be for naught. It's a lesson in what not to do.
Generally I hurl Scottish books across the room when I read the last page. And being Scottish-American, I know I'm in for a bad ending when a film or book has a Scottish author.
Interesting take on things, but I don't agree that the lesson is "all your effort will be for naught."
It sounds like the Scottish books you've read have a lot in common with traditional Irish songs I've heard, which tell stories about extreme efforts that end in failure.
For me, the point of these stories is not to teach a lesson in what not to do, but to illustrate the nobility of the person who chases after the lost cause.
I think that point is supported by this movie. Fassbender's character has the final say, telling us that the kid showed him a better way to live.
Of course, that sucks for the kid. He died so the next guy up could live his dream. Some more salt in the wound. But as naive and wrongheaded the kid was, the nobility of his spirit passed along.
I wonder about those Scottish stories and old Irish songs. Is the public's general impression that these are lessons in what not to do like you say or is the point that there's nobility in the lost cause like I think?
Nobility in a lost cause would be about as pathological as it could get. Our Scottish ideal is to ken things, and to be smart. Not that we are necessarily, but it's our ideal. We view our bad endings of books and film as cautionary.
The main character was Scottish, not Irish. You seem to be mixing up two cultures that had separate histories before Italy and Spain were separate countries, except for England's unfortunate policy of moving Scots to Northern Ireland.
Couldn't disagree more. St. Jude is the patron saint of lost causes. So when people donate to St. Jude's Research Hospital to help find a cure for cancer in children, that to you is "pathological?"
The point is that there IS nobility in trying and failing. In Slow West the boy's efforts are inspiration for the next guy up to live his life a better way. And if somebody donates money to fight children's cancer, he might not save a life immediately but help towards a cure later on.
I was not confusing two different cultures, but drawing a comparison between Scottish books, which I have no knowledge of, and Irish songs, which I do. Both seem to tell stories about people who chase lost causes and fail.
The point of the Scottish books and films you're talking about may be to not try for things you're destined to fail--I haven't read or seen them so I don't know--but that's certainly not the point of Slow West.
You have a serious obsession with little rational basis. You admit you know nothing about Scottish culture, yet you fancy that you know much more than us on what our culture is about. Do you also insist to Black people that their culture is actually some other non-black culture? LOL Betcha that goes well.
Your concreteness is a bore. I will not read anything else that you write.
Not sure what "serious obsession" you're writing about. If you're referring to Scottish culture, I never said that I knew more than you did. I merely guessed, by your description of Scottish books you read wherein a character tries and fails, that the themes of such books might be similar to traditional Irish songs. Instead of engage in dialogue and understanding, you chose to try to win an imagined argument.
Apparently you're bored by specific, definite and vivid communication, which is what "concreteness" means, so I'll speak now to others who may not be bored.
To those, I apologize for going off topic. Back to the movie. I believe the point of Slow West can be found in the voiceovers and dialogue referring to civilization. In the movie the West is portrayed as savage and merciless, full of outlaws who will kill for money or survival. The 16 year old kid brings a new spirit to the West, while although his heart was never in the right place, his spirit was, meaning that he was willing to die for love.
I think the title "Slow West" at least partially refers to the idea that civilization comes slowly, and the kid's devotion and love takes the West one small step toward civilization when the Fassbender character decides to forsake a selfish life for a decent one at the end.
I like the theme in the movie of a main character who is doomed and no measure of trying will ever make him succeed. In fact, the harder he tries the worse it gets for him, with the hilarious over-the-top literal dose of salt in his wound and his ultimate demise.
cmcurrie2, who pledged not to read this post, and is undoubtedly reading now, thinks the point of this story is to show what not to do, that the lesson is lost causes are not worth fighting for. He's not seeing the bigger picture, that the kid is one small step toward a civilized West.
In my opinion that's one point of this movie, that lost causes are worth fighting for, and that's a theme I also see in traditional Irish songs. The reason I love those songs lies in the nobility of continuing a fight that will most likely end badly.
cmcurrie2, I would be interested in getting the titles to some of those Scottish books you've read. You compared them to this movie yourself, so I'm not saying I know more than you about Scottish culture. I am saying that if the books are anything like this movie, they're not lessons about what not to do but stories about the nobility of people who fight and fail.
I believe the point of Slow West can be found in the voiceovers and dialogue referring to civilization. In the movie the West is portrayed as savage and merciless, full of outlaws who will kill for money or survival. The 16 year old kid brings a new spirit to the West, while although his heart was never in the right place, his spirit was, meaning that he was willing to die for love.
I think the title "Slow West" at least partially refers to the idea that civilization comes slowly, and the kid's devotion and love takes the West one small step toward civilization when the Fassbender character decides to forsake a selfish life for a decent one at the end.
I like the theme in the movie of a main character who is doomed and no measure of trying will ever make him succeed. In fact, the harder he tries the worse it gets for him, with the hilarious over-the-top literal dose of salt in his wound and his ultimate demise.
In my opinion that's one point of this movie, that lost causes are worth fighting for, and that there's a nobility in it.
Also, the kid was too clingy.