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Season 2 thoughts - TOTAL SPOILER THREAD!


I have now seen all of Season 2 as I binge watched it this weekend between football games.

First it SHOULD be subtitled "Sex is a Deadly Sport" as there are a total of FIVE murders/killings this second season. Mallory's husband (self-defense by Neil)), Simon's Dad's driver (killed by Omar's goons - presumably), Simon's Step-Mom/Lover and Simon's baby (killed by S. Dad) and Simon's Dad killed by Simon. ALL these murders are directly or indirectly caused by infidelity sex. (Even the driver got caught up in the fall-out of the passion murder of Simon's Step-Mom lover by her husband - Simon's father. And the faking of said Dad's own death.)

So - "just fun sex", eh?

Second: the hypocrisy is even MORE on display - as NOBODY seems satisfied at all with their separate "sexy" lifestyles - not Simon (wanted Emma or Grace as his "soul-mate" and can't have either.) Neither Grace nor Neil were happy apart - even though Neil WAS a tad more nonchalant about it. But Grace was TOTALLY conflicted the whole time and wanted Neil back - kinda. And even Adriana is no longer happy or satisfied - since SHE wants both Grace AND Neil as lovers (as well as Neil's baby, no less!) But what makes all this SO hypocritical is that they have actually learned NOTHING from their experiences and want to run a business now providing "not just sex but "relationship"/"real connection" services" - which they have all just discovered CAN'T BE HAD! Ah - what irony. Some joke, eh?

Third: Grace is still a mystery. We learned quite a bit more about Adriana's and Neil's own upbringing and childhood families - and even more about Simon's - but not Grace. Grace claims in one argument with Neil that "you hadn't touched me in 6 months" which is why she first hired Simon. But we all know from season 1 that Neil TRIED to "touch her" the night before his fateful trip to New York - and Grace just brushed HIM off with "I'm tired now." But NOT too tired the next day to fit Simon in AND do that rush house staging. ;-) Grace want's "power" - but for someone else to give it to her. And that isn't how power actually works. She just "wants her cake and eat it too" and that is just sadly crazy.

Fourth - despite all the talk of "honesty" and a future "open marriage" kind of lifestyle, Neil and Grace are more jealous and suspicious of each other than ever before. Seems like ALL Neil's women "fall in love with him" - from Adriana to the writer/blogger "expose" girl. And Grace doesn't like that at all. And Neil doesn't actually like Grace flirting with other men much less sleeping with them - which Grace never actually got around to doing all this season - just sex with Adriana AND with a dildo and that stint as a "Dominant" sadist in the sex club. (So - we can add BDSM and Lesbian sex, along with swinging/voyeurism/orgy sex and dildo sex to the previous list of porn genres I listed in a post about season 1.)

Fifth - the wrap-up. No big cliffhangers in the finale. Maybe. If the show comes back there is the issue of Neil's baby with Adriana (artificially inseminated AND with Rosalie as surrogate Mom no less!) And there is the possibility of a "flashback" showing that Adriana AND Grace really did both have sex with Omar the night Grace stole/looked at his phone. (Grace has already lied about that night a tad to Neil. And maybe Adriana has video of THAT, as well.) And that Grace IS still attracted to Simon and vice-versa. Plus the fact they are all "family" now and MUST associate with each other because basically now, no one else likes them.

P.S. - "Brad", the aggrieved cuckolded husband on "If Loving You is Wrong" had a small speaking role as an escort (and potential father of Adriana's baby) in Episode 10. Pretty funny to me - given the situations in these 2 different series.

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ALL these murders are directly or indirectly caused by infidelity sex.


So - "just fun sex", eh?


I think you're missing out on some fundamental issues here.

The first here -- and probably the most important -- is that we're talking about a TV show. Fiction. Not real. Make-believe. If you can't separate fiction from reality, even on a morally ambiguous topic then I'd stongly advise separating all internet and television from your life. Not everything has a point to make - that's for documentaries. It is more enjoyable for those of us who can distinguish reality from fiction to see situations where actions have consequences, often unintended.

Second, addressing the situations you brought up -- four of those five (or five of six if you count Simon Jr.) were more directly related to the fraud plan of Omar and Simon's father; although Dad & Mom were done in through Simon and his stepmother's inability to keep their naughty bits out of each other, what ultimately pushed the apple cart over the cliff was Dad's fake death scheme...

I think what bothers me most about this conversation is the implication that murder is more acceptable where attributable to greed or avarice than lust or jealousy. The fact that people understand and even accept violence with an attached monetary value is reprehensible, where anything that stimulates an erogenous zone is somehow considered dirty and immoral.

What's up with that?

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Personally, I don't think murder is EVER a good idea.

And I am guessing you never watch - or read - any of the "true crime" shows and books (like Ann Rule does, e.g.) Because you might just be shocked how many murders directly result from infidelity/love "triangles" - and NOT just in the "lower classes" but even college professors, sometimes. Remember that Mallory's husband was a College Professor in this "fictional" show?

This is but one real world example of a Prof who DID kill his estranged wife and the man he suspected was her lover - before killing himself.

Zinkhan was named the prime suspect in the April 25, 2009, shooting deaths of his wife and two other people, Tom Tanner and Ben Teague, outside the Athens Community Theatre in Athens-Clarke County in northeast Georgia.[7] The murders occurred during a picnic reunion of the Town & Gown Players, and all three of those killed were active in local theater productions. Two bystanders were injured by bullet fragments.[7] According to neighbors and colleagues, there had been no advance signs of trouble.[12] Police said Zinkhan and his wife, Marie Bruce, were having “marital difficulties,” that Tom Tanner appeared to be his “specific target” in the shootings and that Ben Teague was “at the wrong place at the wrong time.” Tanner was shot first, police said.[13] On the same day, "Zinkhan was charged with three counts of murder and a state arrest warrant was issued in Clarke County, Georgia. A federal arrest warrant was issued on April 26, 2009, after he was charged with unlawful flight to avoid prosecution."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Zinkhan

And BTW - you sure are judgmental yourself in using the very lame "it's just a show" argument. If that is how you really feel - why bother posting anything at all in these forums?

Human sexuality is actually a LOT more complicated than the Hugh Hefners and Gucciones (and even the Masters and Johnson and Kinsey's of the world) would have us all believe for their OWN agendas (porn Czars merely want our money, Kinsey wanted validation for his OWN uncontrollable and not normal sexuality.)

At least Satisfaction delved into SOME of these complexities at a much deeper level than comic book escapist porn - even if most viewers don't quite get it.

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Sorry to break it to you but men and women ARE actually different in many, many ways. And sex is one of these ways. Sex (heterosexual) is (almost always) more consequential for women than men. Women are ALWAYS the ones getting "penetrated" - women are the ONLY ones who have to worry about getting pregnant. Many disease risks from sex are greater for women than men, a woman who has sex with ONLY one man gets an enhanced immune system response as her body adjusts naturally to his unique bodily fluids. But a woman who has sex with multiple men gets only a degraded and stressed immune system.

The only thing I saw REALLY fictional about this show was that all Neil's and Simon's female clients were young and beautiful and rich. They all looked like high-class hookers themselves, but in the real world of women renting male escorts they are all average looking and older - at best. Plus MOST male escorts are actually hired by other males (homosexuals) - but not a word of that in this show.

("Midnight Cowboy" was more accurate in this regards.)

And all the "cultural" or "societal" adjustment propaganda in the world won't change the actual facts of Nature established thru 200,000 years of human evolution.

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"Hee hee hee...quit touching my junk, pervert"!


Pretty difficult to take anyone seriously who has this as a tagline.

What are we, 12?

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OK, I am going to stick up for you because first of all, I think you're right -- that fiction is more plausible and compelling when the writing is honest about human nature. My husband mocks my involvement in fiction and nonfiction, and I know how hurtful/annoying that is. He loves to pretend that I'm too dumb to realize when something isn't real, that it's just on the page or on video. It's insulting, and while we have a wonderful relationship in many ways, I deeply resent the way that he makes fun of my passion for good storytelling. I don't know what's behind that. I don't mock the hobbies and interests of his that I don't share.

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Thank you.

My wife and I have significantly different tastes in a lot of things - but I sure respect her and we don't knock each other for our different tastes or even opinions on some matters. So - sorry about your own situation but nothing and nobody is perfect and I am quite content now to settle for "good enough" and to always try and temper my passion (emotions) with reason and attempted empathy. (And I don't always succeed, either.)

The whole "it's just a show" response always seems very strange to me - but generally it IS used by others who disagree with my own opinions about something or other. It's just a back door way to censor and I won't accept that, personally.

Especially since movies and TV really HAVE been instrumental in changing broader societal values in so many ways. Some ways are stealthy - others more direct.

Propaganda is propaganda - whether produced by NAZI's, outright Communists, "Christian rightists", or Hollywood progressives. A really "good" almost total propaganda movie example is "Coming Home" which garnered several academy awards and was/is highly acclaimed by most in the USA now. It also has an infidelity subplot which is why I finally got around to watching it - then became an interesting exercise for me in spotting all the propaganda surrounding the Vietnam War.

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Maybe I'm in a minority but I'm not going to watch the series any longer because the plots are too ridiculous.Aside from the supposed sex,I don't care for any of these people.This show was promoted as spicy. Well IMO there's not enough suggested sex for basic cable.Oh and they got rid of Emma.

That's just my two cents.

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