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Scamander's disdain for American Wizarding Policies - a jab at Trump?


I believe this was intentional and a blatant jab at Trump and his "Make America Great Again" mumbo jumbo. For example the "Not Being Able to Marry Non-Maj" parallels the "marriage equality" debate in the real world. I know J.K. Rowling compared Trump to Voldemort, so I wouldn't be surprised if this kinda stuff was slipped in for good measure. If so- BRAVO!

Anyone else agree?

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No.

The story for this movie was in development in 2013-2014, far before Trump even annaunced he will run for the president of USA.

When it comes to "marriege equality", we're having this debate for the last 50 years in the Western World, it is not the first (nor the last) movie that is influenced by that issue.

EVERY movie, specialy when it comes to fantasy, has a deep connection with the problems we are dealing in the real World. That's nothing new. The concept of Obscurial was created by Rowling, and what I think the messege with that was, is that you shouldn't pretend you are something you are not, whether it is about sexuality, beliefs, or just "fitting in".

There isn't a single reference that can be undoubtedly connected ONLY with Trump and the state of political shift in the WW. Everyone can interpret the massages of the film in their own way.

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Well, maybe not Trump precisely, but a jab at people who think like him or his followers.

Definitely it parallels segregation that was a big part of American history. Instead of blacks and whites, it is wizards and non-maj. Separate but equal.

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Definitely it parallels segregation that was a big part of American history. Instead of blacks and whites, it is wizards and non-maj.


And your point is, exactly?

You do realize that Grindelwald and his followers, are a reference to Hitler and the Nazis. While, the British Minister of Magic Hector Fawley is a reference to Prime Ministers Ramsay Macdonald, Stanley Baldwin, and Neville Chamberlain.

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My point? No point trying to be made other than if this is case Rowling is awesome sauce. And I'm pretty sure she is awesome sauce.

Also, the comparisons to real life politicians and world leaders you made even strengthen my notion that this was her intent!

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Also, the comparisons to real life politicians and world leaders you made even strengthen my notion that this was her intent!


Actually, it weakens your comparison. J.K. Rowling wrote the Fantastic Beasts script in 2014, and probably came up with the story when writing Deathly Hallows. Donald Trump was not running for president back then. So, it is moot point.

By the way, who was Seraphina Picquery meant to be a jab at.... Hilary Clinton or Angela Merkel?

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Ok Mister or Misses Smarty Pants... you are obviously living in LaLa Land. I know for a fact she compared Trump to Voldemort, so if you want to argue with me, that point is "moot" or whatever that means. Sound like some sort of baby moose or something.

Anyone who digs the Violent Femmes (although she first compared Gordon Gano's voice to a "bee in a plastic cup" yet changed her mind after actually listening for awhile) is okay in my book!

Again, I'm not saying "Trump" specifically, but there has been a growing movement for the past 8 years of people who think like him and Trump is the personification of their hatred and obstruction of Obama all these years. They created a monster.

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People have thought like Trump ever since the inception of human beings; it's not like he, nor his followers created this "growing movement." There is a very silent populace in industrialized nations that dislike what democratic societies have evolved into; they feel as if their governments are not listening to them. With the rich getting richer and the poor getting poorer in first-world countries, one has to wonder what are our governments really doing - and is it for the betterment of ALL of the people in a respective nation. Some say yes, and some say no. Many of the people that say no, voted for Trump, and voted for a change in action and policy in the United States. Is he going to be great, good, bad, or awful remains to be seen.

But I agree with what other posters said already: even though Rowling compared Trump to Voldemort and has tweeted against him on numerous occasions, I doubt Rowling wrote this "jab" at Trump - you titled this thread "...a jab at Trump", not people who think like him.

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even though Rowling compared Trump to Voldemort and has tweeted against him on numerous occasions,


Besides, most people do not care what a famous person Tweets about. J.K. Rowling can make the comparison all she wants, but it does mean anything. Besides, she is just as rude and condescending on Twitter, as Trump is.

To add to what you said.... the U.K. had a similar thing, when they voted for Brexit. The media assumed that the public would vote against leaving the E.U., but the silent majority proved otherwise. Several more European countries plan on holding referendums, now that Brexit happened and Trump was voted as President of the U.S.A. If you look back at history, you see that each generation goes through a major change. This generation is just saying NO to globalism and globalization, which have been around since both World Wars. Think of how many pointless wars were fought since WWII, because countries did not conform to a universal norm put in place by the U.N.? Think of how many people loose jobs, because it is cheaper to outsource to third-world countries? To the average person, the global experiment turned out to be counterproductive.

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I agree; the vocal majority believed things would keep continuing the way they were, but there are a lot of opponents against what democratic governments have turned into - sadly, they mostly just care for themselves, which is a true shame.

With Rowling's Twitter, she's been a bit of a hypocrite calling out Trump. While I'm not a fan of him, she's spewing condescending notations upon him and his "plans", which is akin to him attacking people and ideals on the same platform. Everyone, famous or non-famous, has a right to voice their own opinions, but she keeps going after him; it's almost as if she's infatuated with him, which is a whole other definition of creepy.

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Not only is it creepy, but it shows what a hateful and (like you said) hypocritical person J.K. Rowling truly is. I guess, she fits right in with the Hollywood elites. One would think Ms. Rowling would be more accepting of other's opinions, due to having built herself from nothing. It is a real shame, that fame and fortune caused her to become so out of touch, with the average person.

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With the rich getting richer and the poor getting poorer in first-world countries

Ant their solution is to elect (with a bit of Russian help) a billionaire who gives about as much a *beep* about them as every other politician they hate and makes 500 times more money than all of them combined on any given year by... what? his charity work with the poor and disenfranchised?

We need to find a scientific way for people to grow a brain.

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Yes, of course, everything is about Trump. Today I got a "have a great day" by what I believe must have been a Trump supporter. I mean, who else would use THAT word?

Plus Trump supports gay marriage, so the post is useless.

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Trump supported whatever got him most votes. I feel he's a bit of a democrat at heart -- a ignorant, belligerant egotistical democrat

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Trump was originally a Democrat, before switching parties. I think, he only did it because he was more likely, to be able to run on the Republican ticket. He only won because Americans obviously hated Hillary more. I predicted the Presidential Election would be Trump vs. Hillary a year and a half ago, because the media would have a field day with it.

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I don't know if Hillary lost because she was more hated; after all, she did win the popular vote (65.8 million vs. 62.9 million).

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That's because of California, I don't think it really counts that much since most people are so in their ways they would have voted Hillary regardless of liking her or not. I definitely think she was more hated in her own party and many people voted Trump in spite because of what happened to Sanders.

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He only won because Americans obviously hated Hillary more.
What is obvious is that Hillary Clinton won the popular vote. Are you saying that 65 million of us are un-American non-persons who committed fraud by casting the one vote each for the candidate of our choice?

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trump is the worst president ever

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No matter who won, Trump or Hilary, America was going to lose.

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Too true.... it was the bottom of the barrel.

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Maybe she just read up on the US in the 1920s. FYI, the 1920s were a time of toxic conservatism in the US, the "Jazz age" only took place in the big cities among the young and cool. The Klu Klux Clan was lynching black men and running Jews and Catholics out of half the country, with no fear of prosecution because the local authorities were all members. In the capitol, Senator Palmer and his associates were persecuting communists and leftists, and republican President Harding's cabinet was caught taking bribes. Segregation was legal, the teaching of evolution was outlawed, and immigrants faced horrific discrimination with no legal recourse. Women had only been granted the right to vote six years earlier. Alcohol had been outlawed by rampant bluenosery, remember prohibition?

There's a deep streak of meanness in American society, and has been for a long time. We're so used to it that we don't always remember it's there, but recent events have made it painfully obvious.



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I think what is truly going to shock people, is that Europe was even worse during the era in-between the World Wars. People were being sent to gulags in the U.S.S.R., for practicing their religion. Most politicians were Nazi sympathizers, and thought Hitler had the right idea. Part of the reason WWII broke out, was because they all made treaties with Germany, knowing full-well that Hitler would not break them.

Newt's line about MACUSA's "backwards" laws, was pretty ironic. Since, he hails from a continent were muggle-borns are treated like dirt.

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a blatant jab at Trump and his "Make America Great Again" mumbo jumbo. For example the "Not Being Able to Marry Non-Maj" parallels the "marriage equality" debate in the real world.
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Trump is for gay marriage and ran as the most liberal Republican candidate on gay rights, openly courting the "LGBTQ for Trump" vote. Your premise makes no sense. It would like saying a movie bashing capitalism is taking a jab at Bernie Sanders candidacy.

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You liberals LOVE to reach for anything that gets you an opportunity to mention Trump. It's like you fantasize that his name is his dick, so you find any excuse you can to have it in your mouth.

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