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I hate myself for still wanting Karmy

posted 9 years ago by charles_de_mar
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I don't like the character of Karma very much but still want Karmy to get together. Ugh!

[–] rocko90 9 years ago

I honestly feel like Amy will end up as bisexual and karma will actually end up a lesbian.

Why is Karma so hung up on Liam? She hasn't shown much interest in other guys, and she is more concerned about Amy's involvement with him and I dunno If I am the only one whomsees the foreshadowing....

Shane comment a out lesbians being terroritorial = Karma is extremely terroritorial

She seems to act up Shane's stereotyping unconsciously.

Amy seems more fluid and less concerned with labels. She's shown genuine attraction to both sexes.

I honestly feel like Karmy is end game.

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[–] maniac84 9 years ago

I don't like the character of Karma very much but still want Karmy to get together. Ugh!

Huh. Never thought I'd find another one who agrees with me  I don't like Karma at all. She's too selfish, and I think Amy and Reagan are good together, but I'm still hoping that Karma will improve and for her and Amy to end up together in the end.

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[–] windkirby 9 years ago

I don't understand how people can think Karma is more selfish than Amy after the craziness Amy pulled at Liam's house and then on Karma's birthday. Monopolizing the whole day and stealing and hiding a note? They are both pretty selfish about each other but I think they're both interesting and real characters.

[–] maniac84 9 years ago

Being determined to keep Liam quiet about their hook-up was most definitely a selfish thing from Amy's part, but that's also the only example I can think of. Karma on the other hand has pretty much been portrayed as selfish from the first episode. Most recent example is how she was disappointed that Amy wasn't in love with her anymore. She doesn't want to date her, but still couldn't stand the thought of Amy moving on and dating someone new.

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[–] JoanTheVampireSlayer 9 years ago

Most recent example is how she was disappointed that Amy wasn't in love with her anymore. She doesn't want to date her, but still couldn't stand the thought of Amy moving on and dating someone new.

I don't think it was the fact that Amy was no longer in love with her that bothered Karma. I think she was afraid that Amy being over her and having a girlfriend would mean Karma would have to compete with said girlfriend in order to spend time with her best friend. That already was happening before the disaster group hang. Karma had tried to make plans to spend time with Amy but she kept telling her she had already plans with Reagan. Then to make it worse, Shane told Karma that the Amy's girlfriend was being territorial and that she needed to fight back.

Karma's reaction mirrored Amy's reaction to Karma liking Liam. For the longest time it's only been the two of them, but now that they're beginning to date people (which appears to be a first for both of them), they aren't spending as much time with each other as they used to. They now have to share one another with Liam and Reagan. Neither one knows how to handle that and it sometimes results in both of them acting selfishly out of fear that they will lose their best friend. That's a natural reaction for two people who are as close as Amy and Karma are.

Amy and Karma's friendship is what I love most about the show. I consider it to be one of the most real depictions of a teenage friendship that I've ever seen on television. Their friendship and the positive and negative effects it has on the girls' behavior is what makes them likeable and relateable to me.

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[–] windkirby 9 years ago

Karma is obviously conflicted. Having someone be so infatuated with you can feel suffocating, but Karma took it well and dedicated herself to the friendship anyway. She even chose a friendship with Amy over Liam when Amy made her choose--not that a very good friend in my book would force someone to make that choice (thankfully, Amy eventually relented). She cares very much about her relationship with Amy and Amy being in love with her was a sort of guarantee it would stick. Karma being disappointed about Amy's affections changing is no worse than Amy being disappointed in Karma's affections for Liam instead of her--which she has expressed much more openly.

Imo Amy's been a bit of a bull in a china shop this season, with going to Liam's house uninvited and damaging his relationship with his family (for no good reason I can understand), then making Karma's birthday all about their friendship instead of about Karma. If Karma hasn't been graceful about the tension between them, then Amy definitely hasn't either.

If you love someone, you let them go and be who they are. Amy and Karma are both pretty bad at doing this with each other; I think they're too afraid of losing one another to think clearly. It isn't the healthiest dynamic, but it's a real and interesting friendship dynamic I'm sure everyone runs into. They are very insecure, but that also shows how much their friendship means to each other.

I just don't think either is a saint or that either is Satan's daughter. Amy was wearing the nice hat season one, but in my eyes she and Karma definitely switched roles season two with Karma trying to do the right thing and Amy creating a second charade instead due to her cowardice. I am interested to see what develops in the back half of season two and (dare I hope) a third season if we're lucky enough to get one.

[–] charles_de_mar 9 years ago

I have to take issue with some of this. Amy wasn't keeping Kiam apart. Liam DUMPED Karma for lying to him. Plus Karma was a total bitch during the scavenger hunt. I don't see where Karma ever really put her friendship with Amy about Liam.

[–] windkirby 9 years ago

It was her birthday. Karma should get to do what she wants to do, like read her note from her love interest. Amy forcefully took it and withheld it from her--keeping Liam and Karma apart.

Karma said during the birthday scavenger hunt that she picked Amy over Liam and would continue to do so. If Amy's blessing was what it took to get the two back together (though they both wanted it), fear of her impending disapproval was probably a big factor that had kept them apart until that point.

The sense of Karma picking Amy over Liam in season two is also strengthened when Liam's insecurity heightens after the community dinner because he feels as though Amy has a more important place in Karma's heart than her boyfriend.

I disliked Karma last season but really like her this season. I still haven't heard what she's done this season to deserve so much hatred, just vague cries of "she's selfish!" To me it seems like everyone's just pissed that she didn't fall to her knees when Amy confessed, which is pretty cruel in my opinion. Or they're angry that Karma went along with the lesbian lie that Shane began and how much pain it caused Amy, but Karma never forced Amy to go along with it like Amy forced Karma to spend her birthday with her. Karma begged and pleaded, flirtatiously even, but that was because she had no idea Amy was having actual lesbian feelings, because Amy did not clearly communicate this to her. When she did learn about it, she changed her tune.

[–] shayneferry 9 years ago

Agree with a lot of what you said windkirby! I've avoided these boards/anything on youtube to avoid spoilers and now that I'm all caught up I'm surprised by all the Karma hate! I don't think she is anymore selfish then Amy (although Amy is my fave).

Especially in the birthday ep Amy was a bit of a creeper (although I am totally shipping Karmy) when she kept the note from Karma.

Also I find it weird that Karma is getting all the hate for being a 'fake' lesbian because when they first started it Amy didn't know she was a lesbian (or I actually think she's bi) either, she just turned out to be one, so she was still faking it in the first place.

Anyway I can't wait for the next season and definitely hoping Karmy end up together! The chemistry between the actresses is so good and they are adorable!

[–] trudat20 9 years ago

In season 1 episode 5 (Bridal show) Karma shut her phone off to spend the day with Amy

I'm still Karmy all the way. I don't hate Karma but I am waiting for her to realize her true feelings for Amy. Its there below the surface waiting to bubble up. S2 episode 7 - was written with ambiguity as to whether her jealousy for Reagan had to do with how she truly felt for Amy, or was she just sad to lose her best friend. She was jealous that Amy found someone. Evidence..... S2 episode 3 - she was jealous when Amy was kissing the Brazil girl. There was no two weeks relationship in that scene.

I predicted that episode 10 whoa....I know scene is Karma's dream sequence about Amy. If that turns out to be true I want Karma to struggle with that revelation but in the end deny that exist. Season 2 is way too soon for Karmy to happen.

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[–] windkirby 9 years ago

I predicted that episode 10 whoa....I know scene is Karma's dream sequence about Amy. If that turns out to be true I want Karma to struggle with that revelation but in the end deny that exist. Season 2 is way too soon for Karmy to happen.

I really, really hope the same thing. It doesn't seem like now would be a good time for Amy to have a sexual fantasy about Karma. Rather, I think the weird trauma Karma's going through might reveal that she has some kind of sexual inclination for Amy, too. It's almost too clever for me to hope for (in my opinion anyway). But we'll have to see.

[–] JoanTheVampireSlayer 9 years ago

Liam dumped Karma for like two seconds then wanted her back almost immediately. But both before and after that Amy was trying to keep Liam and Karma apart because she had feelings for Karma and couldn't handle watching Karma with someone else. She was putting her unrequited feelings for Karma above her friend's happiness. As much as it sucks for Amy, demanding your friend stay away from somebody she likes because you're upset she does not share the same feelings you have for her is not the answer. Karma can't help it that's she not attracted to Amy and no amount of Amy trying to police Karma's love life until she gets over her feelings for Karma would ever change that. The only thing that will accomplish is making Karma grow resentful because she's being made to feel guilty for something that is beyond her control. She can't force herself to fall in love with Amy.

Plus Karma was a total bitch during the scavenger hunt.

I agree with you somewhat that Karma was kind of a bitch to Amy over the scavenger hunt thing. Amy put in a lot of effort with her birthday surprises and Karma acted a bit ungrateful about it. But I thought Amy was being a bitch too. This was Karma's birthday. Karma should have been allowed to decide who all she wanted to celebrate her birthday with without being made to feel bad about it. It's not like Karma wanted to spend the entire day with Liam anyways. She and Liam had their moment and then Karma went back to Amy to spend the remaining hours of her birthday, after already spending most of the day, with her. That was another example of Karma choosing Amy over Liam. Even after their arguing, and Karma's growing resentfulness, about Liam's note and wanting to see him on her birthday, Karma STILL chose to spend the majority of her birthday with her best friend.

I don't see where Karma ever really put her friendship with Amy about Liam.

Well she did. During the time when Liam and Karma weren't together, Karma didn't pursue Liam. She apologized to him for lying and left it at that. She didn't attempt to convince him that they should get back together. Instead, she focused on showing Amy how much their friendship means to her. Like when she serenaded Amy outside her window. Karma still has yet to do anything romantic like that for Liam, the one she is actually dating.

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