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Wow, the music in this movie sucked major ass. It should've just been old timey instrumental stuff

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OMG. ..I just logged on to post the exact same thing! Lol ; p

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Me too!! It's very irritating and takes away from the mood of the movie.

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It had so much potential

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The soundtrack is taking me out of the time period. It's distracting.

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Yeah, major fail

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This is (unfortunately) not the first time productions of period movies have done a soundtrack like this. Marie Antoinette with Kirsten Dunst did the same thing. However, as unlikely as this is going to sound, the music in this movie was infinitely better than the music in Marie Antoinette.

However, it would be lovely if Hollywood/directors/producers would STOP thinking music like this in a period piece is NOT the right choice.

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No way! The music in Marie Antoinette wasn't that bad - certainly not as bad as this! At least with MA it kind of fit the rest of the movie since there were other kinda wacky/modern aspects to it. I felt like you tell that music was purposefully chosen, even if you didn't actually LIKE it. This music was just extremely out of place - as though the soundtrack to another movie got switched with it.


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I haven't seen this movie yet, but I saw Marie Antoinette and was wondering if the director was trying to do the same thing here. In Marie Antoinette the out-of-place music was deliberate because the director wasn't trying to tell the story of Marie Antoinette so much as trying to tell the story of a modern girl through the story of Marie (and how things are basically the same despite outward appearances). It was done in a mildly humorous way, including (if you watch closely) a scene where Marie Antoinette goes shoe shopping in 18th century Paris and you can see a pair of Nike sneakers in the window display.

For anyone who saw Lizzie Bordon, do you suppose they were trying to do the same thing here (tell a modern story through the backdrop of the 1890s)? Or was it just a gimmicky choice of music to try to appeal to younger audiences?

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I was thinking the exact same thing. The movie was pretty good but the music was totally inappropriate !!

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Wow! I couldn't disagree more with majority of this movie's reviews pertaining to the soundtrack. It made the movie for me. I thought it was not only totally appropriate, each track was placed in perfect synchronicity with the attending scene. I found the music imaginative, extremely well done and in certain scenes, hypnotically correct!

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br_ha, I agree and disagree and have a question. I like the music OK, but I find it totally wrong for the setting of an 1890s story. Now, if you or anyone else find the music appropriate to the setting, would you also be OK if the costuming were also 21st century? Say, put Lizzie in a short skirt and tank top and give her a few tattoos and piercings?

I have seen enough to know I have seen too much. -- ALOTO

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Hi!
For me, the music wasn't as much about authentification as it was about capturing the mood of the accompanying scene. I found it enhancing, not inappropriate. To me, the music made the movie interesting and different. Now that said, maybe I'm simply easily amused or distracted. Whose to say? If Lizzie had been in a tank top, I would have laughed myself sick!

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That kind of logic would disqualify all of Elmer Bernstein's soundtrack to "The Ten Commandments" (1956). I hardly think a full orchestra with strings, horns, percussion, etc. was typical of Egypt around 3000 BC. Most of the instruments hadn't even been invented! By suggesting that the background music should be integral to the setting, you're just creating an imaginary rule that simply doesn't apply to most movies ever made. It's at least possible that you're okay with symphonic music for older movies, because you equate symphonic music with "old fashioned" movies, which betrays either your ignorance in regard to music or your prejudicial viewpoint in regard to film and setting. Most music for movies is NOT applicable to the setting, so trying to put it all on par with costume design -- which generally IS applicable to the setting -- shows nothing but contempt for the issue. If you don't think the music is appropriate, that's fine, but own your opinion -- don't defend it with imaginary rules that have never applied to film, and shouldn't be applied as mere excuse for opinion.

Personally, I liked the music a lot and would go out and buy the soundtrack in a heartbeat if I could find one without having to use Amazon. But I'm also very familiar with the story, having seen nearly a half-dozen movies on the subject and having read most of the newspaper articles that were published at the time (there are currently two large companies that will sell you old newspapers published in almost any time period you're interested in, and eBay regularly lists numerous old newspapers). I find it interesting that the best versions of the story were all "made for TV". In any case, the setting is, for me, an assumed one. The music doesn't take any of the setting's impact away, which I would suggest is true for most people when applied to their consideration of older, biblical movies like "The Ten Commandments". The music isn't appropriate to the setting, but nobody cares, because they're already very familiar with the stories.


I have seen enough to know that you haven't seen enough.

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Nice, a personal attack response, all the way down to your mockingly changing my movie quote sig.
Despite my saying "I like the music... I find it totally wrong for the setting...", you blast me by saying "own your opinion". Do you know what that phrase means?
I also get the feeling, based on words you used such as "contempt" that the lighthearted tone I thought I used somehow was read by you and perhaps others as hostile instead. Alas, I suppose I'll have to use more emoticons in the future.
Now, while I am loathe to say so, buried amidst your use of what I found to be rude, personal jabs is a thought that I indeed see some merit to.
While we seem to disagree about movies set in periods for which we know a lot about their music, you raise the interesting point about movies set in more ancient times, for which we know little or nothing about their music. Perhaps some of us are more comfortable projecting classical music back into ancient times than projecting our more modern pop or rock into more recent, better known times. I recall Sofia Coppola also took some heat for the music she used for Marie Antoinette in 2006.
As for my "imaginary rules" they are so imaginary I am not even sure what you are referencing. Perhaps my lighthearted comparison of music and costuming?

I have seen enough to know I have seen too much. -- ALOTO

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You're the one who stated, "Now, if you or anyone else find the music appropriate to the setting, would you also be OK if the costuming were also 21st century? Say, put Lizzie in a short skirt and tank top and give her a few tattoos and piercings?"

You're raising a dismissive argument that ridicules somebody else's opinion, and you've done so in a silly and contemptuous manner intended to dismiss opposing argument presented by "anyone else" who may hold similar beliefs contrary to your own. As for the "imaginary rule," you're dismissing alternative opinions by suggesting that the association of music to setting should be judged under the same conditions and quality that we apply to the association of costume and setting. It's a ridiculous comparison that shouldn't even be applied; after all, music is a background element, while costume design is right up front. This is the "rule" that you're using dismiss contrary opinions; and then you pile on insult and sarcasm to declare an end to the argument while using this irrelevant association as some kind of valid measuring stick to prove the point. The fact is, you were rude and contemptuous from the very beginning. Your "lighthearted comparison" isn't humorous -- it's merely obnoxious and dismissive, and leaves the reader with a sour taste. I could understand it if you backed up your opinion with a well-reasoned argument, but you didn't do that -- you just made fun of somebody else's opinion, and then applied that insult to "anyone else" who might also share that opinion.

Frankly, you have more in common with a bully than a comic, and I'm not particularly fond of bullies.

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sorry, i know my reply is well past the sellby date, but i just watched 'lizzie borden...' on netflix and i often miss the dates at first glance on posts. i'm sure you've moved on, but i felt you wrote intelligently and friendly (stress on friendly) debate about film or literature is something i always enjoy. good day.

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your point about music appropriate to the time period is a valid one, yet symphonic music used as coloring in a movie is to most ears much more unobtrusive than modern rock, much less distracting. since classical music has a much longer history, it does feel 'classical' literally and was the default music of choice for film for partly that reason. another poster suggested they could have used contemporary (or roots) intrumental music, and i believe i would have preferred that. i don't need points driven home to me by insipid rock lyrics, it's tedious and heavy-handed, and draws too much attention to itself. however, having said that, i may be in the minority w/my views on soundtrack music since i also disliked the use of music in 'american hustle' and thought it was used gratuitously, vulgarly and went on too long in scenes that didn't call for it. just my humble two cents.

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It depends on how it's used, but to say a movie about the past needs music from the past to keep it realistic is silly. In real life music doesn't play in the background at all, so with those arguments there should be no music, now that wouldn't be distracting. How about we take it one step further, there were no cameras back then either, so it shouldn't even be a film, now if there was no music and no pictures there would be nothing to distract you at all. It's called a book, there is nothing to distract you or take away from the subject matter, and there are other forums for that. My two cents.

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i already responded to the point of 'realism'. yes, there were no movie cameras either, but it isn't about realism, it's about creating an atmosphere of verisimilitude. some viewers just prefer this approach, and i don't find that preference silly. modern music can distract minds that like to immerse themselves in a particular context.

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Agree completely. It was poetic, helped paint the scenes and bring them to life. Music is so timeless, like the story's themes; it worked disarmingly well with the mood. Loved it.

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Well thank you, InADisorderlyFashion!
You broadened my point with an eloquence of which I'm incapable and I'm very grateful. It's also a relief to know I wasn't alone in my view of the role the music played in the movie! Again, well said!!

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Agreed.

It was an awful soundtrack, completely off. It was so annoying I found it difficult to watch!

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At first I found the music very irritating, but then I got used to it and on the second viewing I liked it much more than before. I think the movie would have been very boring if they used the music of the actual time. To each his own though.

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I thought it was terrible. Some movies can get away with inserting modern music into a period piece. 'A Knight's Tale' comes to mind as the best example. In this case, however, it seemed ridiculously out of place.

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