I was so glad when he broke it off with Katie. I know he is not perfect but damn! How much more can he put up with? And even when he was breaking up with her he was STILL offering to give her the apartment and pay all the bills just so she can be taken care of but Katie was to selfish to even acknowledge that I bet he thanks his lucky stars everyday for jumping that toxic sinking ship.
shareI have to agree. Katie just doesn't know when to shut up. Joey might be a lot of things, but a deadbeat? I don't think so.
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Of all the TM dads, Joey and Gary are the ones you can never call a deadbeat. Katie just doesn't know how to be grateful for anything. Most girls in her situation would be doing much, much worse. She has a guy who wants to give her and their child everything he possibly can and she can't be thankful for any of it. He does deserve much better.
shareI forgot about Gary. I remember how Amber would yell all kinds of insults about him being a worthless father when he seemed more involved in their childs life than her.
shareI was completely baffled when Katie called Joey a deadbeat dad. Are you kidding me?! The boy works hard, obviously loves his daughter, and provides shelter and food.
shareI couldn't believe she called him a deadbeat dad. He pays for everything and wants to be in Molli's life. I thought it was really nice of him to say he would continue to pay for everything until she got everything together. I really like Joey and he keeps showing that he is a good dad.
shareShe obviously slipped up when she said that. I think she subconsciously would rather Joey be a deadbeat dad because in her mind, it would add to her sainthood. She thinks she's the one who sacrifices everything for Molli, and all mean, old Joey does is yell at her all day. Or at least, that's what she wants us to think. But we are able to see that Joey contributes in everyway, when it comes to his daughter, so Katie can't play the 'woe is me; my baby daddy is a deadbeat card' like she wants to.
shareI was watching this episode with my mom who became irritated with Katie for howling and crying in front of Joey like that. My mom says Katie has absolutely no dignity and needs needs to move on already instead of begging and pleading like a crazy woman.
I agree with my mom. Katie is too much to deal with.
Love is a losing game. One I wish I never played.
I'm glad he broke up with her. She never seemed like she loved him, she just didn't want to be alone. It wouldn't suprise me had they stayed together and she went to college on his $ that she would of dumped him if she had a better paycheck .
Is that the come back and kick me whistle?
Oh please, he's hardly an angel. You should see the new preview this week, he pushes Katie. He's also been arrested for physically assaulting her.
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No one said he was an angel.
I've never fooled anyone. I've let people fool themselves.
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As far as the preview for next week, I saw Joey trying to get out of the house with their daughter while she was most likely blocking him - all with her mother riding shotgun.
I didn't claim she was an angel or faultless. But even if she does say vile things herself, that in no way excuses abuse. The police report stated he broke her nose and also assaulted another girlfriend of his. Still not enough proof for you?
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I didn't claim she was an angel or faultless. But even if she does say vile things herself, that in no way excuses abuse. The police report stated he broke her nose and also assaulted another girlfriend of his. Still not enough proof
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We got to see this last season on TM2 with both Janelle and Kail. Both were able to get the law involved with their Exs for so called abuse but we clearly saw them being the aggressors and the guys defending themselves.
Thats right! I forgot we never got to see the actual fight but I do think its funny that after making such a big deal about it she backed down when Jo showed up to court ready to defend himself.
shareYou can go and file a police report for most any reason these days. And if two people get in a fight and a person harms another it will still go on the report even if it was done in self defense. We got to see this last season on TM2 with both Janelle and Kail. Both were able to get the law involved with their Exs for so called abuse but we clearly saw them being the aggressors and the guys defending themselves.
I'll agree with you in that if it was not self-defense then there is zero excuse for physical abuse.
However, the notion that physical advantage negates self-defense is ridiculous and is part of the problem of how most women who physically abuse get away with it and society often rolls their eyes and looks the other way because it is though that men are bigger and stronger, so they can't be assaulted, attacked, or abused by women. It's sexist thinking. This is wrong, ignorant, and dangerous thinking, too. IF Katie ever went at Joey, he has every right to defend and protect himself, EVEN if that meant hurting her to get her away from him. Likewise, if Joey went at her, I fully endorse her doing anything she can to get away from him and protect herself. You don't get to forfeit self-defense just because the one being abused is bigger, and being smaller does not mean damage can't be done. I know plenty of petite women who can thrash someone if they were in a rage enough to do so, and if they went at their significant other, I would not bat an eye if they ended up with a broken nose or some bruises from the guy defending himself.
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However, the notion that physical advantage negates self-defense is ridiculous and is part of the problem of how most women who physically abuse get away with it and society often rolls their eyes and looks the other way because it is though that men are bigger and stronger, so they can't be assaulted, attacked, or abused by women. It's sexist thinking. This is wrong, ignorant, and dangerous thinking, too. IF Katie ever went at Joey, he has every right to defend and protect himself, EVEN if that meant hurting her to get her away from him. Likewise, if Joey went at her, I fully endorse her doing anything she can to get away from him and protect herself. You don't get to forfeit self-defense just because the one being abused is bigger, and being smaller does not mean damage can't be done. I know plenty of petite women who can thrash someone if they were in a rage enough to do so, and if they went at their significant other, I would not bat an eye if they ended up with a broken nose or some bruises from the guy defending himself.
And if a woman is so fragile or has such a disadvantage in a fight against a man then maybe she should think twice before trying to roll up on one
Once again I’m not defending actual abusers.
and where is the proof that she "rolled up on him"? It's funny how you are all making it seem as if it was merely self defense, and thus claiming he was justified in hitting her.
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The "proof" everyone seems to rely on are a bunch of "sources" (ie Katies friends LOL) and that gossip site RADARONLINE.Yep .. except radar online has only one "source" for these allegations and this "source" was more than likely paid in exchange for the story. Katie herself has never spoken about this alleged incident .. or even confirmed it.
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The "proof" everyone seems to rely on are a bunch of "sources" (ie Katies friends LOL) and that gossip site RADARONLINE.Yep .. except radar online has only one "source" for these allegations and this "source" was more than likely paid in exchange for the story. Katie herself has never spoken about this alleged incident .. or even confirmed it.
Oh please, he was taking Molly when it was NOT his day to take her. He was angry and not handling her well. I hope you never become a mother and leave your child in the hands of someone with obvious anger issues. She's Katie's daughter as well, don't you remember? He angrily tore her daughter from her arms when she was in the car. LOL @ you claiming her mother was the only one acting outlandish.
I have never once accused Katie of hitting him nor have I accused Joey of hitting her.
and where is the proof that she "rolled up on him"?Where is your proof that he broke her nose in a fit of anger? Actually where is your proof that he is the one who hit her? A "source close to her" made allegations that he broke Katie' s nose. The police acknowledge that there was a police report filed but would only verify that Katie was involved in that report. There were no charges filed. Katie herself has never acknowledged that Joey broke her nose (at least that I am aware of).
The source alleged that in one October 2012 fight, Joey hit Katie and broke her nose. “It’s always been like a physically abusive relationship,” the source told Radar. “It was always with his fists.”Here's a quote from one of the articles. I'm not trying to side with anyone but if my boyfriend/ex that I had a child with broke my nose you better believe there would be some charges pressed, especially for the safety of my own child. I was in a physically abusive relationship and though I put up with a lot, if I'd gotten pregnant by him I would have never let my child be around him if he continued to treat me that way. I don't care how much it would hurt to never see him again. That's just stupid retarded to not want to press charges for domestic abuse because she didn't want Molli to be "in the middle" of it. Wtf.
“Katie never pressed charges because she didn’t want [their daughter] Molli to be in the middle of that,” the source explained.
So none of us have solid proof. It didn't prevent us all from speculating and it didn't prevent others from coming up with possible conclusions as to why he may have hit Katie.
FROM what I know, and IF the report is true, I'm more inclined to believe that Joey was the aggressor than the other way around. If no one believed the report at all, they could have just said it was simply not true. But people stated their reasons and made their speculations anyway, which is exactly what I'm doing.
Sairuh.
Rest in love MJ<3
However, the notion that physical advantage negates self-defense is ridiculous and is part of the problem of how most women who physically abuse get away with it and society often rolls their eyes and looks the other way because it is though that men are bigger and stronger, so they can't be assaulted, attacked, or abused by women. It's sexist thinking. This is wrong, ignorant, and dangerous thinking, too. IF Katie ever went at Joey, he has every right to defend and protect himself, EVEN if that meant hurting her to get her away from him. Likewise, if Joey went at her, I fully endorse her doing anything she can to get away from him and protect herself. You don't get to forfeit self-defense just because the one being abused is bigger, and being smaller does not mean damage can't be done. I know plenty of petite women who can thrash someone if they were in a rage enough to do so, and if they went at their significant other, I would not bat an eye if they ended up with a broken nose or some bruises from the guy defending himself.
However, the notion that physical advantage negates self-defense is ridiculous and is part of the problem of how most women who physically abuse get away with it
I'm going to help you out with this and make it easy for you . . .
That paragraph was in response to this comment of yours:
How is it self defense when he obviously has a physical advantage over Katie?
I do not deny that women can be abusers. But power relations between men and women are not equal within society, and women are more likely to be victims of domestic abuse than men. Of course there is a stigma surrounding domestic partner violence when the male is the victim, and it is a sexist notion. However, DUE to this sexist society we live in, males do display much more violence on average and thus the majority of victims are female.
I think it is extremely important to include males and the fact that they can be victims of rape, domestic abuse, etc. But I'm not going to deny that there are structural differences in power between men and women. Violence is not an accident and reflects social power relations that permeate society at every level.
From what I know from the supposed report, Joey had no physical harm done to him nor did it claim he was acting out of self defense, and he supposedly beat another girlfriend. If he was physical with two girlfriends, the odds are against him and I find it hard to believe he was merely defending himself twice.
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thus the majority of victims are female.We really do not know how correct the statistics are regarding how many male abuse victims or even female abuse victims there are. CDC reports that 40% of abuse victims (that have been reported) are males (2010). Then goes on to explain that there is such a stigma regarding a man reporting physical abuse by a female partner, that it's greatly under reported. Between the public and law enforcement, a man is much more likely to get ridiculed because he "allowed" some 5'4" 110 female beat him up.
Of course it is greatly unreported and there is a stigma involving men and domestic abuse. I didn't deny that.
But I'm saying STRUCTURALLY, women are oppressed by men. Men do have privilege over women in society, and this privilege often translates into the abuse of women and male violence is normalized within society.
However, there are also many cases of underreporting for female victims as well. Structural power does not translate to individual power, and I'm aware that every case is different. But within society at large - men have shown more aggression on average. How many countries have you heard of where men are seriously abused and cannot obtain basic human rights? Women are an oppressed majority, and that's a fact.
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Rest in love MJ<3
Cutie, you make a good point in your post. Don't even get me started on some of the awful stories of the lack of women's (and children, particularly young girls) rights in other countries. Those stories infuriate me!
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How many countries have you heard of where men are seriously abused and cannot obtain basic human rights?
Very true, Stirchley. I shudder thinking what those poor people go through on a daily basis, whether they are a man or woman.
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Are you speaking globally or within the United States, because abuse of women is NOT normalized, nor is violence against them normalized here. It is openly and broadly spoken out against. What IS normalized, is women freely striking men and men being told it isn't abuse because they, as men, are stronger. Look at reality TV and how many times you see a woman verbally assaulting and physically assaulting a man. I see it all over, from Bridezillas to any reality TV show. I know of more women who have abused their partner than any man that has. Even look on this very show - many of the girls were the physical abusers beyond the number of the boys that were. The issue is, most people look at that on TV and do not see abuse. Reverse the scenario, and those same people suddenly cry that the man was abusing the woman. It is a very sexist issue that okays/makes exceptions women doing it (shrugging off them slapping a man - hello, in how many movies do we see this and it is met with either laughter or an applause because the guy "deserved it.") and then foams at the mouth should a man slap a woman. The same outrage of a man slapping a woman should be present for when a woman slaps a man.
And men do not have that high of privilege as many super feminists like to think (in the US, speaking). The issue is that female aggression is rising at an alarming rate. When you factor in that society tells women it is good and brave to disclose abuse but has a huge humiliation and mockery stigma for men who are abused, and look at the statistics, there is not that wide of a gap, and it is likely much smaller since men won't report it nearly as openly as women. Around 1 in 4 women are abused, and 1 in 6 men. And that is based on what is reported. You also have to consider that when police are called for men being assaulted by their partner, it is often ignored and overlooked and the attacker is let off. Furthermore, there are virtually no shelters for men. I think where I live (very large population in CA), there is ONE place, and that only has a very limited room, and kids cannot go.
Domestic violence isn't a "woman issue." It is a people issue, and it will exist more and more with the more exceptions for gender and situations we make for when that abuse is okay.
Yes, women are oppressed on a global scale (that is nothing new to anyone), but we are talking about 1st world countries. They are not oppressed here. But, there are millions of men all over the world oppressed and murdered and treated as subhuman by corrupt political regimes. Oppression is oppression, regardless of whether it is because someone is a gender, an ethnicity, a certain religious follower, etc.
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The issue is that female aggression is rising at an alarming rate.I completely agree with your post, but this made me think of several times my son has told me about girls (not all but some) who hit, slap, and pinch their boyfriends or ex-boyfriends. This happens at school of all places - both junior high and high school. He has told me so many times how "normal" it is to see on a daily basis.
WOMEN ARE OPPRESSED DOMESTICALLY AND GLOBALLY.
I DIDN'T SAY THAT MEN WEREN'T ALSO VICTIMS OF DOMESTIC ABUSE. BUT WOMEN ARE OPPRESSED. Just because we're in a "first world" country does not mean that women do NOT have a disadvantage within society.
MILLIONS OF FEMALE VICTIMS ALSO NEVER REPORT THE ABUSE THEY GO THROUGH.
I'm not going to argue with you, you're far too dense to be aware gender disparities within society. In the United States, women are vastly UNDERREPRESENTED when concerning positions of power. How many females are within the house and the senate? WHY have we never had a female president? Why are women receiving wages below men for doing the exact same jobs?
When we go out at night alone, as women, what are we always told? To be careful, to always be on the defense. If anything happens, it's completely your fault. I'm sure every women can sympathize with that feeling of complete vulnerability. How many men do you think fear a woman will attack and rape them in an alley way? Ask some. The statistics show a large amount of men are actually offended when women show this fear, having not felt this fear themselves.
Please, take a sociology or any college course concerning the gender inequalities between men and women. I'm not going to waste my time trying to educate you on a subject.
I know of more women who have abused their partner than any man that has.
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You sure like to throw a tantrum instead of rationally discuss a subject, don't you? Before you go all "get a college course," maybe you should realize I already stated I am completing my Master's degree in Psychology and being licensed as a therapist. Been there, done that, already educated. Also, using insults does nothing but cause you to appear desperate and immature. This was a discussion. No need to huff and puff so much, just respond without all the yelling.
I never said women do not have a disadvantage. They do. Perhaps it is your usage of the word oppressed, which signals SEVERE and often cruel usage of power. For me, that is distinct to those countries where women are truly oppressed (Middle East, for example.) in severe and subhuman ways. I do not see oppressed as relating to the United States, but I do see inequality in such things as the job market and general gender biases and stereotyping (shoot, our professor straight out told us that the men in the program will make more for the same position because there is more of a demand for men in the program since it is becoming largely dominated by women majors). I'm not oppressed as a woman here, BUT, I do have disadvantages and inequalities facing me just because of my gender.
As for the president thing and Senate issue, I agree, but I also am not going to say it is JUST because of it being women. It also depends on other factors like what percent of women actually go for the positions as opposed to the percent of men, and when it comes to qualifications, what did the match-up look like. There are many factors and I would not state that "issue" as being solely a proof of gender issues when there are other things factoring into it as well if we are perfectly honest (speaking of it currently, obviously historically women were barred from politics).
Never said anything about women having to be more on guard. That is common sense. We were talking about domestic (key word there, implies partnerships), not crimes against women in general. You cannot lump the two together right now when no one was talking about it. This was suppose to be about abuse (physical, verbal, emotional, etc) within relationships and how it compares between men and women who are the victims/perpetrators. t was started with the whole Katie/Joey thing.
Also, I never said it proved anything. It was anecdotal of the fact women are increasing in levels of outbursts and physical violence and that society reacts differently when a woman is abused compared to when a man is abused (mainly, they do not see it as abuse!). I was saying that I have seen it myself. Shoot, I am related to a woman who is abusive but no one does anything because she is the girl and he should "take it or leave." In the context of individual relationships, the man could be the oppressive one or the woman could be the oppressive one. That's the point. The issue is that violence against men is rising and it is important to figure out why that could be occurring and what is society's contribution TO that occurrence, just like it is important to figure out what contributes to men abusing women.
You also missed the point. Please re-read. The difference is, at large, when those women are screaming and attacking their male partner, it is not seen as being wrong, or more importantly, abuse. THAT is the issue. That is why even on here, when Amber abused Gary, many posters fought tooth and nail saying it was not abuse because he was bigger than her. That is the point - That society is being dangerous in making "exceptions" for what is abuse, and much of that follows the gender stigmas of classifying it so only women are abuse of domestic assault (an insult to women). For most TV shows where women are attacked, it is done to disturb the audience and most viewers see it AS abuse/wrong. That was the point, not that it happens, but that the audience reaction normalizes one as not an issue (woman slapping/hitting/kicking man) and another as a crime/bad thing (man hits woman).
Though, the big issue is also that violence in general is desensitized within society so that its "shock value" is wearing off as people see murders, abuse, etc from a young age on in entertainment. Shoot, video games are also a major issue, where people are free to go around attacking, killing, or sexually assaulting victims. Instead of competing who is more victimized, we should see all victims of domestic abuse as EQUAL victims who deserve to be represented and defended and have resources, and ALL actions of abuse (men on women and women on men - even SLAPPING) should not be accepted or ever normalized or belittled as being a major issue.
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Of course I'm typing in all caps. No one would take you seriously if in a college discussion or anywhere else. You're a vapid troll who has no idea of the idea of what privilege or oppression is within society.
I told you I won't waste my time with you because anything I've said wont go through your thick, dense skull.
Now, you confirmed what I thought that your rebuttal would be as ridiculous and ignorant as I thought it would be. You clearly stated in the post before this that women in the United States don't face any oppression, but gender inequality is oppression. I'm responding to that, but you backtracked and claimed that there are in fact inequalities.
I've already said that male domestic abuse is an issue and that men's abuse needs to be taken more seriously. But you're denying that women are oppressed structurally by violence and rape and that guarding ourselves is "common sense" while not realizing it is inherently disgusting that we live in a society where we have to expect rape at any given turn. THESE are the structural oppressions I am talking about.
Goodbye. You confirmed my prediction that your response would be as ridiculous and ignorant as I thought it to be. Now back to the ignore list :)
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Rest in love MJ<3
Will you please add me to your ignore list too so I don’t have to see your ridicules replies clogging up any future topics I may want to post? Normally I enjoy a good discussion/debate and I can deal with the usual trolls chiming in with a silly comment or two but you are truly something else.
I decided to go back and re read this thread and I find it absolutely hilarious that its You and only You who brought up the whole domestic violence issue in the first place based on something you heard from on a silly tabloid and then you got pissy when people came back at you with rational but opposing view points. What I find even more amusing about you is that you get so caught up in your own pompous BS ( probably because you are so caught up in preparing your own reply and patting your self on the back at how clever it is) that you completely misread others post and its not until after they have stated the same thing over and over aging that you finally realize that they did acknowledge something you wrote and in some cases even AGREED with you.
LOL, YOU can simply add me to your ignore list if you don't like me clogging up "your thread".
Exactly what did I misread? I've agreed with her on points as well and she's continued to argue with me. I was responding to her claim that women are not structurally oppressed by men.
It stemmed from a tabloid topic, but don't act like you didn't have your own opinions on this silly tabloid rumor as well.
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Rest in love MJ<3
LOL, YOU can simply add me to your ignore list if you don't like me clogging up "your thread".
Nahhh.I don’t have to put you on ignore. I can hold my own against the likes of you. Watching you reply here to me and others reminds me of a 3 year old child who will shout out an insult at another child and then place their hands over their ears and say LA LA LA LA as loud as they can so they don’t have to hear a reply back....
Exactly what did I misread? I've agreed with her on points as well and she's continued to argue with me. I was responding to her claim that women are not structurally oppressed by men.
Wow! Just wow lol.
It stemmed from a tabloid topic, but don't act like you didn't have your own opinions on this silly tabloid rumor as well.
I didn’t have an opinion on it and I still don’t. Hell, I never even heard of it until you brought it up but unlike you I know to take anything that comes from a tabloids with a grain of salt.
What still baffles me is why you even thought to bring it up in the first place. I just simply posted about being happy that Joey ended the relationship and that I don’t care for Katie and others agreed. There was never any mention of abuse or violence until you brought it up. You were the one to take the subject of this thread off course and now you are upset and throwing hissy fits because others disagree with you.
Nahhh.I don’t have to put you on ignore. I can hold my own against the likes of you. Watching you reply here to me and others reminds me of a 3 year old child who will shout out an insult at another child and then place their hands over their ears and say LA LA LA LA as loud as they can so they don’t have to hear a reply back.......then why would you ask someone to put you on ignore because they annoy you? Isn't that beside the point? I'm not taking anyone's side here, but it seems like you want to keep arguing with her instead of just putting her on ignore.
I'm glad to know typing in caps counts as a "hissy fit" . More like being fed up with people's lack of knowledge.
No, earlier in the thread you also commented on the possibility of an altercation between Joey and Katie. You provided examples of how he may have not hit her because of what happened with Jo and Kail. You still commented on it and argued with me.
There was never any mention of abuse or violence until you brought it up.
Nahhh.I don’t have to put you on ignore. I can hold my own against the likes of you. Watching you reply here to me and others reminds me of a 3 year old child who will shout out an insult at another child and then place their hands over their ears and say LA LA LA LA as loud as they can so they don’t have to hear a reply back...
...then why would you ask someone to put you on ignore because they annoy you? Isn't that beside the point? I'm not taking anyone's side here, but it seems like you want to keep arguing with her instead of just putting her on ignore.
Yeah, I'm totally worked up, that's why you've had me laughing through this entire thread . You're the one saying I veered this thread off course but you went along for the entire ride! Thanks, and admit I brought a life to this thread and entire message board!
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Rest in love MJ<3
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Do you even know the meaning of a troll? I've been on these boards for years. Just because you do not like what someone says does not make them a troll, especially when most of it is from you misunderstanding or overlooking what is being said. If it is such a waste of time, then by all means do not reply. No one is making you.
I am not backtracking. Oppression is a strong word that by dictionary definition is cruel and exceedingly unjust abuse of power. I do not view women being subjected to that here, but we are arguing semantics. For ME , saying or even claiming I am oppressed here in America is an insult to the millions of women who are truly oppressed all over the world. That is just my conviction. That is why I explained that I am more than aware of the discrimination and inequalities that exist, but I won't say oppression because that is a term I would apply to actual countries where the abuse of power is severe and cruel and beyond just discrimination or inequalities. Again, all semantics. I was explaining, but if you refuse to accept that, is your choice.
I am denying nothing. You are putting words into my mouth without even reading in a level headed manner what I am saying. As a WOMAN who has been in an abusive relationship, is studying to work with abuse victims (already have), worked in a 3rd world country empowering women there for a month, and has had assaults committed by men on her, your comments and assumptions are asinine, ridiculous, and insulting.
The common sense comment was in reference that it is common sense and basic knowledge that we know women have to be on guard more than men, not that it is common sense for us to do it, but that it is general knowledge and not something new. That is the very reason that I don't go to gas stations after dusk unless my husband is with me.
Ideally, no one should have to live in a state of fear. But sadly, our society is wired for violence and distrust and I doubt it will ever happen.
In conclusion, I never said anything that there are not abuses of women and that it is outrageous and vile and every other horrid word out there. This whole discussion stemmed from your initial comment about how it could not be abuse when Joey has a physical advantage over katie. Everything from there stemmed from YOU misreading every post and making false claims and assumptions, and when explanations were given to clear your obvious confusion, you refused to accept it. That's called being foolish.
The hilarious thing, is you are foaming at the mouth saying I don't believe these things when I DO. You just made the assumption I did not. Go figure that one - I agree with you about the crimes on women and how awful it is! *laughs*
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No one has ever claimed Joey was perfect. We are just not going to give Katie a pass to be awful and say hurtful things to him just because he's human.
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Katie is not a saint,but she didnt deserve to get a broken nose.There is no proof that he broke her nose. Katie herself has never even acknowledged this.
Me to. All she does is bitch the minute he walks thru the door and cry to.
shareKatie is just a selfish child. Joey brought molli back in the most recent episode and was trying to leave. She begged him to stay and talk, although it was pretty clear that on break means on break and there was little to talk about. Within 2 minutes shes calling him names and tellung him to leave. She really thought she could just act sorry, without actually saying sorry and he'd give in like all the other times. Deadbeat?? 99.9% of her lifestyle is provided for by this guy. I think there have been worse teen moms over the years, but Katie is the most delusional and mean spirited when things dont go her way.
shareSomething that really annoyed me was her begging him to talk only to shut him down and tell him to leave all because she didn't get her way. Also, the moment he told her they were done but he would still help her out financially until she's back on her feet.. she starts crying because it took finally losing Joey for her to see what she had. Joey isn't a saint, a lot of times I think he's an ass, but he is always more than willing to help her out financially and provides for Molli. It just annoyed me that in this case it took pushing him to that breaking point and having him leave for her to realize what she had. I think in the end she's more afraid of being alone and their relationship was way past toxic. They both needed to be apart and find happiness elsewhere because their fighting will eventually affect Molli in the worst ways, as Joey said in a year or two Molli will be sat by her door waiting for mom and dad to stop screaming at each other.
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