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Nothing in tonights episode made any sense


And I am convinced the writers aren't stupid enough to not notice these things, they just don't care. They need their characters to do things because...plot. Logic be damned.

-Firstly, and this is a big one for me; Barry went into the future. So there shouldn't be any future him to talk to. He would have essentially been gone all that time. Instantaneous trip for him, but he would have been the only Flash in the future.
-Apparently no one knew or remembered that he had a mission to go into the future.
-There is absolutely no reason, none, other than for the purposes of filler, for him to stay in the future to reassemble the team, if he is still planning to go into the past and CHANGE the fucking future. Meaning, reassembling the team, getting their kumbayaya's out, is completely inconsequential if its all going to change anyway.
-Future Barry suddenly having a change of heart came out of nowhere. It didn't happen organically, it was just the end of the episode and the plot required him to give past Barry some crucial information he could have given to him when he first saw him but instead decided to just be emo butt-hurt Barry.
-So they couldn't have used sodium pentothal on Killer Frost to find out who Savitar is?

This was the most cringe-worthy episode thus far.

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Actually lots of stuff made sense. Barry went to a possible future. If it were the same timeline, had he left the past to visit the future and returned safely that means that his future self would be there. Think of it as a long traveled time remnant affair. The idea of this exact type of theory on time travel suggests that just because you would leave the past and travel to the future, you'd only would not exist during that time because you wouldn't have traveled back to the moment you left.

The reason no one remembered the "mission" to the future was again, Barry went to a possible future. One out of an infinite possibilities. Just like how he went back to his past and met himself, he didn't remember that happening because in his timeline it never did.

The idea of him staying in the future to reassemble a team was to provide hope to those around him including himself, (especially his future self), to show that he even convinced his future self to get back in action means that he's already changed that possible outcome. Somewhere in the multiverse that timeline continues and he made that happen. That brings joy to Barry.

Future Barry needed a boost of confidence to get him back out there protecting the city. Future Barry saw this in his past self and remembered that just because Iris is no longer there, doesn't mean he's alone. He still has a family that cares.

Perhaps sodium pentothal wouldn't work on Killer Frost? Maybe they had already tried that off camera years before?

I'm sorry you didn't enjoy the episode. I found it entertaining and loved it.

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The idea of time remnants never made sense. And as for your explanation, sorry I don't buy it. Sounds less like an explanation and more like an apologist trying to make sense of what doesn't make sense. Even if it is a possible future, that doesn't explain why future Barry would be there and I felt the same way when he went to the future and saw himself with Iris when she was killed. Everything is plot convenience. But I'm glad you loved it.

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Think 4th dimensionally. :) Best explanation for a time remnant is when present Flash travels a split second or greater to the past. Like the time Barry went back to talk to Season 1 Wells and met up with himself. That is a time remnant. When Barry traveled back to the future, he was a remnant from another timeline. Everyone else remembers things differently due to him changing the timeline. Much like Flashpoint when he went back and changed that timeline and tried to fix it. He is still a remnant from that timeline as well.

I've always been obsessed with time and time travel theory, watched every episode of Doctor Who (yes even watched the 1960s William Hartnel and forward after the Doctor Who reboot of 2005).

The moment Barry landed in the Future, is when his Future changed. That Future is just a remnant of another timeline now.

Not trying to be an apologist but this stuff does make sense to me. The Flash writers have set certain rules for time travel in the Flash Universe which is close to actual theory that exists today. You just have to open your mind to the infinite possibilities within this universe. Research the Mandela Effect if you really want your brain to hurt. :)

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Except, when time travel was introduced several times when Flash does go back in the past his previous versions got erased somehow. So I call bullshit on the time remnant theory.

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I'll be talking about the Speed Force Time Travel Energy in this (which is a lot more powerful than regular Dimensional Barrier Breaking Energy) so be forewarned it will be technical. When a speedster needs to travel in time the speedster needs to build up enough Speed Force Energy to break through the Dimensional barriers of the multiverse and past/future. Reaching certain speeds can cause different uses of the Speed Force Energy and the outcome caused by that energy. As seen in the latest episode, to which we are talking about in this thread Barry calculates how fast he needs to be traveling to use the Speed Force Time Travel Energy.

The episode 1x15 where the Flash runs and sees himself running, he continues with his day until the hurricane incident. While running at that top speed making a wall to hold back the hurricane he accidentally tapped into the Speed Force Time Travel Energy briefly. When he used this speed and traveled back a day he made a causality loop timeline. When he traveled back, that timeline fizzled into non-existence the moment he goes back and the new one took over from that point thanks to the speed force time travel energy (this event by the way keeps happening). Much like how Eobard Thawne is still alive even though Eddie died, the timeline Eobard comes from is still intact up until the moment he gets trapped in the past and has to live as Harrison Wells.

When Barry goes back to talk to Eobard-Wells about being faster to beat Zoom once again he had to do the calculations for speed force time travel energy being used so he just goes back as an observer as to not disrupt the timeline as much as possible. He does this anyway and when he goes back to the future, his original timeline no longer exists, and so he becomes a remnant from another timeline...

Now when Barry goes back and saves his mom he created a paradox "Flashpoint" which started catching up with him. Previous timelines we had already encountered were erased because he changed a fixed point in time which was suppose to happen and had always happened. It affected everyone majorly. A timeline where Barry never became the Flash, so if he never became the Flash, he wouldn't exist in the future to return to save his mom and he wouldn't need to return to save his mom because Reverse Flash wouldn't exist to go back in time and kill her. Barry however retains Flash powers during Flashpoint (only temporarily) because that timeline hadn't set yet, but was starting to (his memories changing). Had he stayed in that timeline he would of forgotten his past memories and lost his powers. Due to Eobard Thawne still being in his aberration timeline he'd still exist up until the point the Speed Force catches up with him and removes him from existence (as seen in DC's Legends of Tomorrow).

That was my long answer.

The short answer to all the time travel questioning also could just be the writers using the "Speed Force" to explain it. The Speed Force is beyond time, space and matter. It has it's own rules and can manipulate all around it.

Sorry if this doesn't clarify any more. This has been my attempt at explaining what the writers are trying to show the audience. Or well what the audience is suppose to deduce.

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Lots of wishful thinking about the CW writers who only dwell in tween drama and emo Barry,

I doubt the writers ever thought of Barry using different Speed force power to erase a timeline or create a remnant )))

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Thread title could apply to most episodes this season.

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/Nothing in tonights episode made any sense/

Welcome to DC TV shows.

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Did I just see those two supervillians, once they are faced with TWO FLASHES that they now realize are immune to their powers, decide to RUN DOWN THE ALLEY?

lol Someone gets paid to write this stuff?

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Excellent point.

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