Tired of watching Nicole's audition.. - Time of Death (2013) Discussion

[–] peachtea18 10 years ago

I see what you're talking about, especially when she bows her head in a melodramatic pause or something, but I think that's just how she genuinely is; I don't think she's playing it up for the cameras at all. I know a few people like her, whose lives seem to play out like a movie with them starring as the main character (if that makes any sense) and to an extent it's actually sort of endearing to witness how, even in the middle of a crisis or adversity, they still seem so well poised/composed and flawless.

I've never fooled anyone. I've let people fool themselves.

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[–] indialm 10 years ago

Perhaps her stunning beauty is distracting. As a photographer I saw it right away. But honestly they dealt with their mother dying from 2009 until March of this year. Plenty of time for real drama. I think she's genuine.

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[–] stripperchocolates 10 years ago

Not sure what you mean.. She is stunning, that doesn't mean that people are distracted by it and make up behaviors. She acts phony and melodramatic, beautiful or not.
Same for your other comment about knowing about her illness since 09.. has nothing to do with her behavior in front of a camera.

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[–] Gabe1972 10 years ago

Isn't she stunning? Her eyes are absolutely beautiful. The thing about her is that she doesn't try to look that way, she just naturally does. No hours and hours sitting in the hairdresser and makeup chair. She's just naturally that stunning. Amazing. I noticed her eyes the first time I saw her on this show and had to rewind the DVR to look again. Again, amazing.

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[–] Jessikagomez89 10 years ago

We all knew Maria was going to die. I felt close to her story just from watching it every week and I really didn't want her to pass away!

I have such a heavy heart knowing it ended up like it did. With her kids in foster care and everything having been so crazy towards the end. :(

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[–] peachtea18 10 years ago

We all knew Maria was going to die. I felt close to her story just from watching it every week and I really didn't want her to pass away!

I have such a heavy heart knowing it ended up like it did. With her kids in foster care and everything having been so crazy towards the end. :(

Oh, I know. It made me sad when Nicole found her mom in her room because the first thought that came into my head was "She waited until everyone was gone to pass away". She really didn't want her family to see her like that. From how they showed it, I'm glad she got to see Julia one last time before she died, but I felt bad for Andrew who seems like the most sensitive out of all of them, and the fact that he didn't get to say goodbye. Also the conversation between Maria and Little the day before her passing broke my heart. She really wasn't ready to die.

But these days, from what I can on social media, Little is doing great and [I think] the kids are with her, so their story ended as happily as it could.

I've never fooled anyone. I've let people fool themselves.

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[–] zeropugs 10 years ago

She is a beautiful girl . I don't think she is playing the cameras I think that's the way she really is.

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[–] Gabe1972 10 years ago

I don't see this at all. She's not hamming it up. It's the way she naturally is. Would it be more believable to you if she was unattractive and dull? You can't fault someone for being stunning and expressive. Sheesh.

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[–] Imjust_sayin-861-251705 10 years ago

You could not be more correct! Nicole is using this to jump start her career. She is a very sad young lady.

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[–] peachtea18 10 years ago

You could not be more correct! Nicole is using this to jump start her career. She is a very sad young lady.

I was going to respond, but then I saw how recently you had joined and it's obvious you're a troll.

I've never fooled anyone. I've let people fool themselves.

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[–] Imjust_sayin-861-251705 10 years ago

Excuse me?! lol I don't have hours upon hours to sit in front of message boards. Yes, I did just register with IMDB so I could comment on these boards...not sure how that makes me a troll. And since I know these people personally I think I have just as much right to comment as you do.

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[–] peachtea18 10 years ago

You know who personally?

I've never fooled anyone. I've let people fool themselves.

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[–] Imjust_sayin-861-251705 10 years ago

The people in Maria's story.

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[–] peachtea18 10 years ago

How so?

I've never fooled anyone. I've let people fool themselves.

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[–] Imjust_sayin-861-251705 10 years ago

I am Julia and Andrews step mother

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[–] peachtea18 10 years ago

Oh, interesting. So that would make you Jim's wife then?
(assuming you're being honest) Would you mind giving your (their) side of the story then?

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[–] Imjust_sayin-861-251705 10 years ago

There's a lot of history there...marriage failed on both sides...tough divorce in MA before Maria moved the kids to CA...Jim moved to CA to be near the kids...Maria always made visits hard...when kids were both school age Jim moved back to New England. The year prior to Maria's diagnosis the kids asked Maria if they could spend a school year with their dad in VT and she said the kids weren't ready to be away from her for that long...Maria found out she had cancer in '08 and asked Jim to take the kids which he happily did...Maria visited with the children and stayed in our home in VT on numerous occasions...in '10 Maria was found to be committing Social Security fraud by collecting money from SS that was to go to the children...SS starting sending the checks to Jim for care of the children....Maria started pushing for the children to move home...Maria and Nicole had physical altercations in my in laws home and in Maria and Jim's home on more than one occasion...Nicole moved to NH with her dad (not Jim) because she was out if control...became more out of control and ended up ward of the state and in rehab after running away, drinking, drugs, stealing...she then moved to LA when she turned 18...moved back to her moms because she was broke...the children were getting good grades, respectful, happy children that were coming into their teen years, coming up against the boundaries and not liking it like most teens don't but good hearted do anything to be helpful kids...they have younger siblings that looked up to them and miss them a lot...they are old enough in the courts that they made their opinion heard and wanted to be with Nicole...after quite an emotional struggle we decided it was best for Jim to let them go and hope they do ok...that's pretty much what I can give you in a nut shell...

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[–] peachtea18 10 years ago

Hmm…thank you for that. That is interesting. I’ve read on other sites where Nicole admits in certain detail to giving her mom a lot of grief, so I believe you there. But really nothing you’ve told me makes me step away from my belief that:

1. The kids were acting up so badly because of the stress of seeing their mom die. They might not have been angels prior to their mom getting sick, but whatever negative characteristics in their personalities existed beforehand became intensified the more Maria deteriorated. (And no, I don’t believe they were horrible all the time. It’s apparent to me that they weren’t, and even Maria mentioned how months prior they were very reasonable, well-mannered children)

2. Nicole turned out to be a very mature individual who was not only able to learn from her past mistakes but attempted to redeem herself and make up for them the best she could by taking care of her mom at the end of her mother’s life.

3. Jim, your husband, is a horrible human being. I don’t care what kind of bad blood happened between the two of them, he still said the most god-awful things to Maria (a.k.a the mother of his children) during the longest five minutes of my life that he was featured on the show. If his demeanor was any indication of why Maria, Little, Julia and Andrew did not want him to have custody over the teens, then I don’t need to see anymore to believe. As I’ve stated somewhere else at first I thought they were just exaggerating his behavior (as most exes tend to do to one another) but just seeing him and the way he talked about Maria, the message he sent to her wishing her dead, and the interview he gave essentially saying she should have died five years ago and wished she would hurry up…yeah that speaks volumes about his character. And if he can talk like that about someone he was with long enough to bare two children with I’d hate to see how he’d treat his own kids.

I've never fooled anyone. I've let people fool themselves.

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[–] Imjust_sayin-861-251705 10 years ago

Nice how you asked for that so you could try to tell me that my husband is horrible after you watch nothing but what a bunch of editors thought you'd find interesting. There were many many other interviews with Jim and with Nicole's father that were never shown. There were times on camera where Maria was HORRID to Jim that YOU didn't see LOL You have no idea what ANY of the people involved are like but you feel free to make your assumptions.

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[–] peachtea18 10 years ago

Nice how you asked for that so you could try to tell me that my husband is horrible after you watch nothing but what a bunch of editors thought you'd find interesting. There were many many other interviews with Jim and with Nicole's father that were never shown. There were times on camera where Maria was HORRID to Jim that YOU didn't see LOL You have no idea what ANY of the people involved are like but you feel free to make your assumptions.

Well for one, the point of the documentary was not 'How good can we make Nicole and Maria seem to be compared to Jim and everyone else?' It was to document the process of her death. And the thing is, I do have an idea about what the people involved were like. I saw all that I needed to see from your husband's short segment. It's very telling, the things he said. No one was putting a gun to his head forcing him to say those words. And for the record, if those times that Maria was "horrid" to Jim are something that you're just believing based off your husband's words I have to laugh. Like Gabe said I hope he treats you better than he treated Maria and the kids. He had no respect for any of them.

I've never fooled anyone. I've let people fool themselves.

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[–] randyraysadberry 8 years ago

Hello young lady,
I am coming in WAY! late, not a troll, haha Read all the bashing you took, so wanted to say something. Producers put the theme of the story "in motion" 5 mins into when asking what scared the young kids most about mother dying of cancer, answers for both, not going to dads. Easily a manipulation for audience placing at very onset of 6 part series. Nothing wrong with the kids feeling the way they feel, just frame for series in motion now. Jim being auto bad guy. Of course nothing about actual conversation between both Maria & Jim. If they could have just done a story about the horror of cancer as in similar included stories, would have been professional. Setting up a "bad guy" theme was the HORRIFIC! aspect. I came home from working in Yellowstone after father died, ended up doing home hospice for my mother, terrible to close her eyes and say goodbye. It is horrific enough without all the editor induced bad guy drama... Felt horrible for Maria without question, kids are really charming, Nicole, one of the most naturally beautiful women I have ever seen. Old Soldier Salute, Randy

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[–] Gabe1972 10 years ago

Horrible is too kind of a word, but I know IMDB limits what people can say on here. LOL.

If your nose runs and your feet smell, you were built upside down.

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[–] Gabe1972 10 years ago

There are two sides to every story.

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[–] Gabe1972 10 years ago

You are married to that complete waste of oxygen? Good God! I hope he treats you better than he treated Maria. Did he ever tell you that he wishes you were dead or send you texts that basically say the worst things possible? I'm sorry, but the guy is a complete scumbag. NOONE says those kinds of things or texts those kinds of things unless they are a complete POS. Not that you would ever say so, but it wouldn't surprise me if he gets violent when he doesn't get what he wants. I hope to God he never, EVER gets those kids in a situation where they are living with him. If that happened, I would worry so much about their safety. You have to admit, a good person doesn't say the things he said and texted, no matter what happened between them. I can understand why she couldn't stand him.

If your nose runs and your feet smell, you were built upside down.

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[–] zeropugs 10 years ago

And didn't he realize his children might read those terrible texts he sent to their mother . If he really cared about his kids he would have been a real man and never sent them.

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[–] peachtea18 10 years ago

Forget never sending them, no one should have thoughts or words like that about the mother of their children (or anyone, for that matter) regardless. It's completely disrespectful and a horrible thing to say.

I've never fooled anyone. I've let people fool themselves.

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[–] Gabe1972 10 years ago

Some people, deep down, are just NOT good people. He seems to fit into that category. Thank God it's not a large category. This is the exact type of situation that shows what people are really like, when what you say or do isn't something, because of the context, that will just go away. This sticks.

Most people in this type of situation, no matter what had transpired in their relationship, no matter how bad it got, wouldn't be like this when someone is at the end of their life. That's why I say that deep down this guy is not a good person. I have an ex with whom the relationship ended on a very bad note. Not violent, just a lot of hurtful things said. But not in a million years would I ever say anything like this POS did if this woman were in Maria's shoes. It's morally repugnant to treat someone in that situation in such a manner.

If your nose runs and your feet smell, you were built upside down.

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[–] TMichelle4050 10 years ago

I agree that the text he sent her was uncalled for, but to judge a person off of one text and one interview that lasted a few minutes, just doesn't seem right.

we have NO IDEA of the true history between Maria and her ex. I'm guessing when he sent that text he had zero sympathy for her. I wonder if he knew the text would be shown on TV?

Again, I'm not excusing him, but I am very curious as to what Maria sent to him that made him respond in that way.

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[–] peachtea18 10 years ago

I agree that the text he sent her was uncalled for, but to judge a person off of one text and one interview that lasted a few minutes, just doesn't seem right.

we have NO IDEA of the true history between Maria and her ex. I'm guessing when he sent that text he had zero sympathy for her. I wonder if he knew the text would be shown on TV?

Again, I'm not excusing him, but I am very curious as to what Maria sent to him that made him respond in that way.

You do have good points, and I guess that's what Jim's wife (aka I'm just sayin) was getting at as well, but still...I guess I was raised to have a certain amount of respect for someone, no matter what. You're right though we don't know what (if anything) Maria sent to him before that to make him react that way, but you have to admit it was pretty harsh what he said to her. I'm still judging his interview though. His words there more than anything is what made him a horrible person in my mind.

I've never fooled anyone. I've let people fool themselves.

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[–] Gabe1972 10 years ago

That's entirely possible. She may have sent him something that hit him the wrong way, and may have been intended to do just that. Who knows? But, the segment where he basically says that he just wishes she would hurry up and die because it's been too long...that's just gross. It was such a burden on him, waiting for someone to die for quite some time, that he just wishes they would hurry up and do it? This isn't normal. This guy is a disgusting excuse for a human being. Usually, over time, bickering couples calm down a little, even when still bickering over children and such. If he was like this at the time we saw him, can you imagine what he was like at the end of their relationship? OMG. Again, this guy is a total POS. No two ways about it. A complete, scumbaggy POS. Never in the history of scumbagginess has their been a man as scumbaggy as this. (Perhaps that's a bit of an exaggeration. Mel Gibson may be worse.)

If your nose runs and your feet smell, you were built upside down.

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[–] Mngirl1974 10 years ago

I can't believe you'd share such personal info on a board about your husband, his children and their children with his dead ex wife. And repeatedly use LOL. Epitome of class here folks. I mentioned on another thread there must be one heck of a backstory for those two younger kids and I think I just figured it out. Enjoy your life, karma is a bitch.

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[–] Mngirl1974 10 years ago

Also just to add - I think Nicole is one of those genuine people that may or may not make it as an actor but I don't think this was an audition for her. I think that would be a pretty cold relatively young lady that could do that while her mom is passing away. Nicole is beautiful, I was just suffering from insomnia one night and saw her face on the tv and it stopped me in my tracks. I had no idea what I was watching. I hit info on my DVR and frankly was a little upset because she has a draw about her. So now about 5 weeks later I'm still watching. This would be the cruelest audition tape EVER.

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[–] Gabe1972 10 years ago

I never got that she was trying to audition for anything at all. I just got that it is who she is, and as for her running the camera and such and being in front of it, I think she was just trying to show her aspect of dealing with what was going on.

I don't ever remember her saying she even had any aspirations of becoming an actor. She's just outgoing. I've seen people act as if they were auditioning on various shows quite a few times, and again, I never got that from her.

She's got her family, her music, and her causes. I think she would be perfectly happy never being in front of a camera again, except maybe for her music, but not anything having to do with acting.

On a side note, when you said you saw her and she just stopped you in your tracks...don't her eyes just draw you in? That's not something she can help. I suppose she could try to ugly herself up, although I don't know if it would work. LOL.

If your nose runs and your feet smell, you were built upside down.

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[–] Mngirl1974 10 years ago

Gabe
Agree - I think she's happy as she is and she wasn't "trying out" for anything. Other than losing her mom and all of course. Which Jim's wife doesn't seem to think is a big deal. Ughhh.

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[–] Gabe1972 10 years ago

I'm sure Jim's wife is an absolute treat. She sounds like it. Oh well, birds of a feather....

If your nose runs and your feet smell, you were built upside down.

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[–] rusch1314 10 years ago

Gabe I was going to write the same thing! My goodness the way this woman is bashing Maria who can't defend herself and the kids is disgusting. Sounds to me like Jim found his soul mate for sure. It makes me sick to my stomach.

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[–] peachtea18 10 years ago

On a side note, when you said you saw her and she just stopped you in your tracks...don't her eyes just draw you in? That's not something she can help. I suppose she could try to ugly herself up, although I don't know if it would work. LOL.

I know exactly what you mean. I started watching the show because I'd seen previews of it before, but when she first came on screen it was like "...whoa."

I've never fooled anyone. I've let people fool themselves.

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