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Opening Scene Death Decision *Spoilers*


I don't understand the filmmakers decision to show Sarah dying in the very beginning, before reversing and then showing the events that led to the poor (and overly curios) girl getting an axe in her head. I understand if they want to start off with something actually scary since the film is a bit of a slow burn, but just spoiling one of the major character's death seemed incredibly silly to me. If that's what they were going for, they could've started off with something else scary or tense, they didn't need to reveal a major death. I really don't understand the decision. As the rest of the movie played, I never felt any suspense for Sarah as I knew how and where she would eventually die. But I don't know, that's just me...

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I thought it was a refreshingly different decision. A lot of people complain that a lot of horror films let the cute girl live until the end and/or survive. They let you know right away that wasnt happening. Then the whole movie you may end up liking her even though you know she dies.

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i think the point of that scene was to establish the locals as the bad guys. we see the cop killing her so obviously that's pretty straight forward, the locals are out to kill the tourist. but that wasn't the case.

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Exactly, it was a red herring. I kept suspecting the locals as being the villains thereafter so I never saw the twist coming.

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That too...but the locals WERE the bad guys, they were going to kill the camera crew as well. We just didn't know there was another bad guy...er girl.

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They weren't "bad guys" though. From their perspective, the crew was in cahoots, and even publicly celebrating her. They just wanted to protect themselves.

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I guess you and me have different opinions on what "bad" is and how important due process and the legal system are. I don't think putting a hatchet in someone's skull just because they are running away from a witch is the proper thing to do.

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In reality? Of course not! In the context of the horror film we just watched? They aren't bad. From THEIR point of view, the crew has known who the witch is for the past six months, and have no problem reaffirming their belief that she is in fact the witch, by continually bringing it (especially in the bar scene, where it practically seemed like they were celebrating her). And when the constable put a hatchet through her head, they hadn't seen the witch kill members of the crew, and were most likely assuming that she was trying to deceive them, whereas the townsfolk were literally trying to prevent her from coming back and wrecking havoc on their land again.

I don't think your argument makes any sense, especially in a horror film.

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"the crew has known who the witch is for the past six months"

No wonder you think my argument doesn't make sense, you are making things up that didn't happen in the film.

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Are you kidding? Doesn't she explicitly say that every time she goes in public she gets hard, angry stares from the locals, when asked by the crew? Try to infer a bit, knowing the events of the films final act, on top of the point that they are waiting near her home with weapons basically the entire movie. Or that the townsfolk were happy to drink and party with them, until the young blonde yells "Witch!" In their tongue?

Are you capable of inference, or perhaps understanding the context of said dialogue at height of suspense? The explanation of everything that has happened to this point, until the twist ending? Was this film too long to keep your attention? I don't see how you could possibly be this dense.

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That's not "the crew" that's the townspeople's distrust of Becky. "the crew" hasn't been in the area and doesn't know she is or has been possessed by the witch.

So who is dense? Do you know what you meant by "the crew?" "The Crew" didn't find out until they were hiding in the basement and the hot chick found the new painting with them on it.

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Reread the post, jackass. "From their point of view, the crew is evil..." Meaning when you look at the events from the townsfolk's POV, it makes sense that they believe the film crew is evil. How can you not comprehend this?

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You. You are the one who is dense. Completely, utterly dense. My entire rant was about how THE TOWNSPEOPLE THOUGHT THAT CREW WERE EVIL. Does seeing it all in caps help keep your attention?

I'll spell it out for you, one final time.

The townsfolk remember the film crew from the first shooting of the episode, Where Kate, their boss, *beep* the buyer during their stay.

The townsfolk go six months without seeing them, and as they pull into town, they get the hard states that the which says she is getting as well. Most of the film, there is an uncomfortable air around the townsfolk, because from their POV, the film crew are acting strange and intimidating (filming children's funerals/yelling about the witch cheerily).

Now think real hard; why would the townsfolk be so darn mean to them? Most people, after completing the film realize that it is because, in the townsfolk eyes, Since they saw the crew with the witch six months ago, and they are back at the witch's (telling the constable as much), spending time with the witch, merrily yelling witch in the bar (in a way that may have been construed as mocking) that they must be aware of who she is.


Also, what the *beep* are you on about?

I've always been clear about who are the film crew and who are the townsfolk. If you lack skills of reading comprehension, maybe don't act like a pretentious twat. Your giant source of confusion seems to be with me saying "From their POV, the crew is evil." I wasn't stating or implying that the film crew knew or that they were evil. I stated that's what the god damn townsfolk thought, and providing reasons as to why.

I seriously hope you and understand now, and may God have mercy on us all. ;)

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I see I have touched a nerve. You think I'm going to read through all that whining and crying when all you had to say was "My weak point was stupid and I didn't even do a good job of conveying it"

Because that's what I walk away from this with.

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If you cant even string together an argument, but continue posting, or don't know what the word "whining" means, procreation is a terrible idea for you. Just avoid it. I know it must be hard for one as intelligent and charismatic as yourself, but please, for the love of Satan, avoid reproducing. We don't need another person of Kardashian level IQ.

I honestly don't even think that you understood "weak point". Probably too long of posts for your mind to comprehend. Just know, I'm here for you. :)

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No genius. If the townspeople really thought the crew knew all along do you think they would've tolerated them for so long? Even after they filmed the funeral?

But hey, watching you backpedal and move goalposts and cover it up with your big brother's middle school insults is entertaining. Keep it up, sport.

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And to kindly respond to your question, they tolerated them for three days maximum. Now during that time, remember all the strange looks that they received, and how we only see them all armed with axes and such when they are near the witches home?

They don't really arm themselves within their town because they felt little threat until the crew came back. They were already aware of the crew filming her six months before, because they are a film crew, and they had shots of the home and town in the intro. The witch makes it known that the townsfolk were constantly giving her "hard, angry stares" the few times she went to the market.

Keep in mind, the crew literally had her pick the house on their show, so in the towns eyes, it looks like they bring her there, leave for months, and return. They've already been suspicious, as implied by the witch, but they really lose their sh!t when in the span of three days, the crew that brought her there, film a funeral service for three of the towns children, continually ask about the witch, and than scream it in a bar after finally earning some trust from them.

Now, if you recall, they get the hell out of there faster than bats out of hell. Obviously something was going to happen to them if they didn't. How serious, we'll never know.

So, coming to climax, after all the strange behavior from the crew (the same crew that brought the witch sick to their town, filmed a triple child funeral and wouldn't shut up about the witch), the townsfolk start making it clear they're aware what's going on, and they think they are ready and armed. The crew doesn't take the hint of after a few days of ominously standing around the witches home with weapons, the townsfolk are threatening the witch.

Now, cut to the final showdown. Most of the crew are killed without the townsfolk aware. All they see is that a couple members of the crew are running towards them, from the witches home, virtually unscathed at this point, as the witch is doing some crazy electro-sh!t that COULD have killed them. Do you see how it's understandable from their point of view that they could think that the crew were on "her side"?

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So you equate strange looks to armed with axes...

No way. The idea was to convey a typical xenophobic feeling outsiders, particularly Americans might get from visiting an isolated eastern European town. They were all over that town, acting like jackasses doing stupid crap and the people tolerated them. The constable even came up to them and asked when they would be leaving. He saved them when they were being yelled at by the people after the funeral. He asked when they were leaving because he just wanted them gone and was tired of playing middleman between them and the complaining townspeople. NOBODY THOUGHT THE WERE IN CAHOOTS WITH THE WITCH until the end. IF they did, they would have killed them earlier. The bar/restaurant scene never would have happened.

As soon as they went to that house and spent the night there they were doomed. Becky destroyed their van, the townspeople couldn't have done that without making noise. Who knows what else she did to finally get the townspeople to show up with picks and axes.

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Look, at this point, I think we should just agree to disagree. I interpreted the film differently than you did. Let's just leave it at that.

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Oh, okay someone that resorts to name calling and personal attacks to try to make their point suddenly wants to be civil and let it go. IF you got somewhere else to be just go, no need to try to end a discussion or tell me I don't have to post anymore.

If the townspeople were hostile from the jump it would have been a very different and short movie. Instead we had little old ladies quietly staring with one finally telling them they should leave. We had angry people being calmed down by a constable who later killed one of them. That can't be reconciled. The law man, the constable urging them to leave, keeping the townspeople at bay is mad at them from the beginning? Thinks they are in cahoots with the witch from the beginning? No. We have no idea how long it took before whatsherface started acting like a witch.

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Kal-jel-lo, you're right. This child is a moron and not even trying to see things from another POV. Too many young ppl today don't have the ability to be analytical in any sense.

In addition to your view, the townsfolk didn't speak English very well or even at all. They also didn't seem to have access to American TV shows. They had zero idea who these ppl were or why they were there. They were a small town that probably NEVER had visitors. Plus, they stopped seeing Becky's husband, who I believe was a native of the country, which further increased their suspicion of the witch and what she'd possibly done with him.

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If you take your time, and slowly, reread I said from the townsfolk point of view. If you need reminded, they were out filming their show six months ago. The townsfolk know this. Now, they have always been suspicious that the witch was, well, the witch (that had already leveled the town before, until she was burned at the stake). Still with me? From their point of view, they see this group (the crew) of out nowhere, return to their town, film them again, talk openly about the witch, yell about her in the bar as if it's an amusing anecdote to her, and spend loads of their time there, with who they suspect is the witch.

Now, if you can remember throughout the film, the townsfolk are seen, presumably at the ready for the witches attack, with weapons. Remember how they (the townsfolk) congregated uncomfortably around the crew in public? Or with their weapons near the witches home? Or literally across the street from her home? That's because they suspect that the crew (again, who hang out with her for the first time in six months, just came back to town, film them, ((even at a funeral)), and yell witch in a town ((in a way that could be misconstrued as mocking)) that was supposedly terrorized by the witch in the past).

Now, keep in mind, that the townsfolk do NOT see the witch kill members of the crew, all they see is members of the crew that has been hanging out with the witch, talking about the witch, and now the witch is attacking, running towards them screaming? Do you see how they could be under the impression that perhaps they were the ones being deceived? That maybe these people have a cult like relationship with the witch?

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The TV crew actually brought her there, even. She arrived with them and didn't leave.

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Yeah, it's all pretty obvious, especially after a rewatch.

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i don't mean they were or weren't bad. i meant we were to believe they would be the main villains and probably there was no such thing as witches.

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I didn't recognize her from the opening scene cause it was a little dark, so it was actually a bit of a surprise when she died.

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I didn't even remember or recognise this during my first viewing. Had to go back and watch to catch it after you mentioned it here.. Probably because the Sarah character wasn't introduced until much later so I assumed it was part of the credit roll or something and wrote it off..

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Yeah, if there's one thing I'm not comfortable with in this movie...

I mean, it's dark so we don't get a clear shot of her, but we hear Alex calling out her name right before she gets it, so when Sarah is introduced in the van about 10 minutes later I thought "Okay, here's the girl who'll get an axe to her head". Not sure why they decided to go that far. If they wanted to start with a "preview" of the chaotic situation that happened during the climax they could easily have done it without spoiling her death.

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I have to agree with you. They could have easily started off with Vladimir's death as he was sort of unrecognizable without his eyes, etc. That would have set the stage for "Okay this is going to end up badly" without letting us know that basically the only nice person on the set was going to die.

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Really dumb decision. I think they did it to hook the viewer. Like don't worry folks, it takes 90 minutes but there's gonna be gore, we promise. Anyhow, it won't bother me in repeat viewings since i've seen it all, but for a first play, kind of lame.

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