And yet stupid liberals STILL want big government - Dinosaur 13 (2014) Discussion

[–] rokhaund 10 years ago

Bigger the government, less democracy there is.

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No one wants a democracy.

America is not a democracy, never has and never will be.

We are a Constitutional Republic. Or at least we are suppose to be....

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[–] rokhaund 10 years ago

There is a difference between democracy and A democracy.

Neither is UK a kingdom if you really think about it.

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[–] reikatachyon 9 years ago

We were a constitutional republic. We've been stuck in the rabbit hole of plutocracy for some time now. I don't think we're ever getting out.

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[–] rollerskater61 9 years ago

Ok, let's go the no government route. Haiti looking good to you? How about Somalia? Just where is it where the small government model is working its wonders?

Agreed that this was egregious abuse of power, but that doesn't prove your argument.

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[–] reikatachyon 9 years ago

Bigger the billionaires, less democracy there is.

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[–] Zanchief 10 years ago

And what do you think the government did wrong in this situation?

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[–] leekingswood 10 years ago

For starters they found in favor of a greedy p.o.s. opportunist like Maurice Williams and allowed him to become an undeserving multi millionaire at the expense of honest paleontologists. people who did all the dirty work and got absolutely nothing for their troubles except having their names drug through the mud.

Outside of that, the government did what it always does, and got it wrong.

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[–] Zanchief 10 years ago

Maybe the paleontologists should have secured a proper contract. It's not the governments job to be nice, it's to be just.

This "documentary" seems like inflammatory nonsense.

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[–] leekingswood 10 years ago

They had a proper contract...and they also had "possession" which is 9/10 of the law. The corrupt state attorney and his incompetent federal judge cohort are the ones who ignored the law. The government could have corrected this injustice, but instead did what it does best, upheld injustice for political reasons. This movie will expose that, and I hope it butthurts you (and others) to no end.

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[–] random_guy2 10 years ago

"Possession is 9/10 of the law" is just a saying, not actual legal guidance. If you steal something, you don't get to keep it 90% of the time.

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[–] Zanchief 10 years ago

I wouldn't take my legal advice from cocktail napkins.

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[–] Mylobage 8 years ago

And, that wasn't justice. Bottom line. Larson did 2 years for not filing out proper paper work? Seriously? It was smear campaign, once the goverment knew they effed up. The whole thing was a total white wash.

Don't like what I'm saying? Then call 1800-Ima-CryBaby and ask for Waaaaaa.

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[–] Tyrione 10 years ago

In short, they were lobbied by a GOP Douchebag who was a pure capitalist and did not believe in Science, the very antithesis of Academia: nothing but Liberally run.

Sorry, but this thread shows how ignorant you Libertarian types are and continue to become.

Hard Science is 95% Liberals.

Corporate Opportunist scum are by and large Libertarian/Republican scumbags

Without Government Funding in a Progressive world, Science is dead.

Every Conservative wants to defund Education, at all levels. None of these Paleontologists would exist, and are ridiculed by religious conservatives, until they have something they can pander.

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[–] denise1234 10 years ago

The terms Libertarian and Republican are not synonymous.

I doubt that there is research to show that 'hard science is 95% Liberals', whatever that is supposed to mean.

You honestly don't believe that there aren't corporate or opportunistic Democrats or Liberals, right?

Scientific inquiry and discoveries have happened without government funding.

Not every Conservative wants to defund Education.

~~ The good ended happily, and the bad unhappily. That is what fiction means ~ ~ Oscar Wilde

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[–] rollerskater61 9 years ago

Shieffer never should have prosecuted in the first place! It was certainly never his original intention to act on behalf of Williams, but that was the stupid outcome.

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[–] DYouKnowWhatIMean 10 years ago

I prefer Liberals to the Republicans that try to claim dinosaur bones are the works of Satan to mislead humans into thinking there is no God.

"By what right does the wolf judge the lion" - Jaime Lannister

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[–] ikke_for_let 10 years ago

I don't believe that. And I don't personally know any Republicans that do.

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[–] don-in-japan 10 years ago

http://www.antievolution.org/cgi-bin/ikonboard/ikonboard.cgi?act=ST;f= 2;t=5004;st=0

Do you think they think of themselves as "liberal", or "republican"?
Just because you "don't personally know" doesn't invalidate the comment.

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[–] GSmith9072 10 years ago

Do you think they think of themselves as "liberal", or "republican"?
Just because you "don't personally know" doesn't invalidate the comment.

Who gives crap what they 'consider themselves'? It has nothing to do with the word Republican.

BUGS

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[–] don-in-japan 10 years ago

Not... sure... of... point...

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[–] ikke_for_let 10 years ago

They probably think of themselves as Christians.

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[–] DYouKnowWhatIMean 10 years ago

Okay, have you ever asked anyone that question though? As a former Republican and Christian this topic came up a lot, especially within the church. But even outside it, people would be complaining about scientists and Evolution and Dinosaurs. It was all really ridiculous and I can't believe there was a time I was actually taken in by it. I hate indoctrination.

"By what right does the wolf judge the lion" - Jaime Lannister

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[–] hccman2000 10 years ago

DYouKnowWhatIMean,

Let me guess, you were married with kids and then wanted to come out of the closet and have sex with men. Now, you want to spread hate against the Christians. Enjoy your wickedness, for it shall be very short. Always, remember what I just said and now you are free to go on back to hating and spreading misinformation. God still loves you and I hope you turn it back around. The things God has done for me is impossible to call coincidences.

"Yeah well, you know, that's just like your opinion man."

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[–] DYouKnowWhatIMean 10 years ago

No, my story is rather boring.

I was an indoctrinated Christian and Republican that slowly lost my faith over a period of about 10 years. One day I realized that my beliefs were ridiculous, silly and in some ways even harmful to myself and my family. I also realized a lot of my political views were entirely based on my religious views.

I'm still happily married with another baby on the way. Sorry to disappoint. Also, I don't hate Christians. I'm not fond of religion in general and I don't agree with much of Christian ideologies anymore, but there is no hate involved.

Why do you want me to hate? Does that make you sleep better at night to continue thinking that the non-religious are devil worshiping, baby eaters with no sense of morality?

"By what right does the wolf judge the lion" - Jaime Lannister

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[–] rishi85 10 years ago

I love to hear stories of how people came to loose their faith. Any faith.
So what do you consider yourself now? I was an atheist for the longest of times but then I realized even atheism is much like bigoted indoctrination, only it has "rationality" and science to back it up. I am an agnostic and I feel....I honestly feel that we are all agnostics.
We were always agnostic and we will continue to be so unless there's a divine intervention or first contact from an alien race.

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[–] DYouKnowWhatIMean 10 years ago

I'm an agnostic atheist. Agnosticism being the claim of knowledge, in this case, 'I don't know' when asked about the existence of the universe. And atheism being the general belief that there isn't a God. To a lesser degree, I would also consider myself an anti-theist, because I see very little true good that comes from religion, but a whole lot of bad. I think there are better alternatives, such as secular self-help books if you require that need for inspiration.

"By what right does the wolf judge the lion" - Jaime Lannister

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[–] rollerskater61 9 years ago

Thanks for sharing. I'd love to hear more about the events and thoughts that led you to lose the faith. For me it seemed more and more that religion was just a mechanism for maintaining the existing power structure. You have to do things because God Said! And guess who's got the market cornered on "knowing" what that is?

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[–] rollerskater61 9 years ago

God just informed me he's not so keen on you, hccman. Said something about unfounded accusations and judging others.

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[–] LibertarianSoldier 10 years ago

I prefer neither. Different sides of the same coin.

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[–] rokhaund 10 years ago

It's not the Christianity that has problems with dinosaurs but morons that claim to be Christians for their own gain. What they preach isn't biblical Christianity at all. It's mysticism and heresy sugarcoated with blasphemy.

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[–] DYouKnowWhatIMean 10 years ago

No true Scotsman fallacy.

They're likely as Christian as any other. These types tend to also be creationists, which is about as literal as you can get when regarding The Bible.

"By what right does the wolf judge the lion" - Jaime Lannister

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[–] rokhaund 10 years ago

No fallacy here, but I might have been a little too harsh

It just happens to be a fact that the Young Earth creationism is a matter of interpretation of the Bible, but not something that has to be there to make any sense of it. In the end, it's added material and when people want to confirm that the Bible supports Young Earth creationism, they end up twisting the scripture and making stuff up that isn't really there. It's a common mistake. Many things that we think are in the Bible, arent't really there and many things that we think are not there, actually are. I guess that's because of traditions that we all are so fond of.

Even if liberal scholars have their own stumbling blocks and there exists a real need for criticism against them, that doesn't make others 100 % correct. On the matter of creationism, this debate exists only because we're taught that creationism causes contradictions in our worldview and must therefore be excluded. People that claim there are contradictions must somehow benefit from their claims. Otherwise this debate would quickly seize to exist. As long as people are told they must choose between two contradicting sides of the conversation, they will. Even if no real contradictions exist. Of course, this not all black and white and there are many people who don't see a need to make a choice and if they do, it's only a superficial statement that doesn't really affect them one way or another, which - at least to me - is the most sane option.

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[–] DYouKnowWhatIMean 10 years ago

morons that claim to be Christians for their own gain

This assumes two things.

A) They're morons. (They might be perfectly intelligent in many other areas of life.)
B) They aren't Christians. (Why include the phrase 'claim to be Christians' if you weren't subtly hinting that they aren't true Christians?

"By what right does the wolf judge the lion" - Jaime Lannister

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[–] rokhaund 10 years ago

Like I said, I was too harsh on them, which is a thing that I regret.

This assumes two things.

A) They're morons. (They might be perfectly intelligent in many other areas of life.)

Yes. They most likely are as intelligent or even smarter than an average complainer (such as I) might assume.

B) They aren't Christians. (Why include the phrase 'claim to be Christians' if you weren't subtly hinting that they aren't true Christians?

They might as well think of themselves as Christians and without better knowledge they might even be very good at being Christian. However, not everything said in the name of Christianity is Christianity. They might be people of great faith and believe that what they say, is just.

The problem with heresy is not that the people are bad and intend to do bad things. It's that they think they're doing the right thing. When I said "for their own gain", that could also be the search of truth or the benefit of other believers. Even with the right intentions can a person be misguided.

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[–] hp-303-973831 8 years ago

America, the one great nation that had a wildly successful democratic society is now owned by a group of ultra wealthy individuals who summon lobbyists to work on their behalf.. Such a sad state of affairs.

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