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List the stupid and/or needless changes in this remake...


Haven't had the chance to watch part 2 yet, but here's what I have so far:

1. The "fertility soup"
2. Guy being a writer
3. Being set in Paris (though a lovely city)
4. The lesbian elements between Margaux Castevet and Rosemary (a form of lesbianism, by the way, that seems to turn on and off like a spigot)
5. The cat
6. The whole "blue eyes" thing
7. The killing of a prostitute thing
8. The inclusion of the husband from the previous target couple, who seemed to exist in this remake only to provide [yet another] gruesome death
9. Roman being attacked by said husband
10. The wife's (from the previous couple) tattoo linking her to the Coptic Christian church
11. The addition of blood/gore

What have I missed...?





Room for one more, honey.

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Don't waste your time on part 2.

12. Rosemary being played by a black hispanic.

Otheriwise, I think that your points pretty much cover this cheesy attempt at a re-make.

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Ugh. Too late. I already watched it.

Oh, and I forgot:

13. A building superintendent who walks around on all fours like a dog (WTH?!)
14. Rosemary attending cooking classes (time was wasted on this, yet important scenes -- such as the one with Dr. Hill (or whatever he was called in the movie [another needless change]) and Rosemary learning her baby was still alive -- were rushed.





Room for one more, honey.

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Otheriwise, I think that your points pretty much cover this cheesy attempt at a re-make.

"Cheesy" is EXACTLY the right adjective.

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It's been 46 years since the original movie aired and a lot has changed. In 1968, a black latina actress having a lead role in a major film would have been rare indeed. It's 2014 now and why can't Rosemary be played by a non-white actress? The same can be said about any of the characters. I don't see how a character's race would change the nature of the plot in this movie. I'm sure Satan doesn't care if you are white, black or rainbow colored. A soul is a soul.

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Agreed

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12. Rosemary being played by a black hispanic.


Why is that bad thing?

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Why is that bad thing?

Because Rosemary is an Irish Catholic girl from the Midwest. Some people think fidelity to an author's work is important (quel passé). In addition, why make her not only black but half of a mixed marriage? Why add lesbian overtones? Why has everyone slept with everyone else, e.g. Rosemary's friend with Guy and the obstetrician, "Margaux" (I guess "Minnie" just wasn't hip enough) probably with Guy . . . ? It tries too damned (!) hard to hit all of the PC high notes.

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What's wrong with a black latina playing Rosemary?

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It's the one identitiy the pc police have not taken from us yet. The white man is the god damn devil! So don't go giving those devil jobs to no minorities!
(I kid)

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15. The absence of an Adrian Marcato (father of Steven) character. Now we're just left with Steven who's apparently over 100 years old and has two distinctly different appearances, for no apparent reason.

16. The protective, older male 'Hutch' character (one of my favorites :( ) is now played by a young female who later reveals she's actually had sex with Guy in the past. Then that little tidbit is never mentioned again.

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The only reason I could see why people might be curious as to why they cast a non white person as Rosemary is because not always but generally in remakes they cast people who are similar looking to the originals. Thats maybe why it was a little surprising but when it comes down to it the role is not ethnic specific and watching the movie I was not even really noticing that she was non white or not. I mean not really giving it any thought.

The scary clown doll is hiding under my bed.

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One thing that strikes me as being important about Rosemary's race is that, through it, the viewer infers her background and the religion in which she was raised. Of course, since Zoe is black/hispanic, we could just as easily assume she has been raised Catholic as we could a white girl of Irish descent from the midwest (actually, probably moreso, nowadays). So, while it's important that Rosemary have that somewhat conservative, traditional Catholic background (otherwise her reaction to the coven might be a lot more like "yeeeeeaaah, riiigiht, sure you can conjure the living Satan..." than the terror that it was. So, basically, this is my long-winded way of saying that race is probably not important, but background is, for this character.

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A final good point, although again, I like fidelity to original work (and we have no idea of what Saldana's Rosemary's religion is). As stated previously (although maybe not on this board?), I'd be really upset if Dick Hallorann of The Shining and, for that matter, Mother Abigail of The Stand appeared as white people in movies based on those books.

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Stephen King wrote those characters as blacks. Rosemary was not written as a black. Let's re-write and re-produce King's work and make Halloran and Abigail as whites. Then see how you like it.

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I'm not sure I understand your response, which seems somewhat combative. If it is, I don't understand why.

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My goodness. You would think blacks are a different species from whites, judging by the bitching and moaning about it on this forum.

Oh noes! Why do we have to look at a black woman in a movie where race plays absolutely no role? Oh the humanity!!
Now if it was Scarlett O'Hara or Desdemona, I'd say you have something there. Rosemary? Get over it. Black people are not going away..

There are many things I enjoyed from this mini-series, including the location and Zoe. There's a whole lot I didn't like (all the gore) among other things.

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"Irish Catholic" plays no role? I'm sure the Irish Catholics of the world will be interested to learn this.

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Uh huh. Because there are no Hispanic/black Catholics.

Explain what her having Irish roots has to do with this story or even the 68 movie? It was mentioned when she explaining her big family and then quickly dropped.

There were no racial elements in the first movie, so why all fuss now?


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I truly think you're being deliberately obtuse. There's NO mention of Roman Catholicism in this mess at all but it's an important element in both THE BOOK (remember that?) and Polanski's film, i.e. the Pope's visit, Rosemary's discomfort when he's belittled, her dream imagery (including Minnie's "young, healthy, and not a virgin" rant heard through the wall, the Kennedys, the Pope), viewing a crèche in a store window). This is more developed in the novel in which her conflicted state about abandoning her faith and its resultant semi-estrangement from her family gives readers the sense of a young woman who is finally able to infer the possibility of what's happening around her BECAUSE of her upbringing, with its strong belief in an Antichrist. These elements are all crucial to the story. And again, the author's creation is Irish Catholic, hence white. If he'd wanted her anything else (including various other "shades of white" of faith/ethnic background), that's how he'd have written her. One has to wonder if he'd even have sold the rights to NBC if he knew of their proposed changes, especially given his strongly pro-individual philosophical leanings. And at this point, I'm really tired of explaining it.

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Then the issue is with Catholicism not being mentioned and not the race of Rosemary, which is not important. Rosemary grew up in America, not Ireland, like millions (70% last I checked) of other Hispanic Roman Catholics in this country. Is her Irish ethnicity a such a major part of the book that another actress of any European ethnicity could have played this role without mentioning her Irish family? Of course. I think you are full of it.

There are countless adaptions of books that not only stray from the details of the original book, but turn it on it's ear. There is much to complain about the TV adaptation vs. the original movie (which did not dwell on ethnicity either), but having a woman of color in the role is not one of them, for people that don't have a problem with seeing brown/black faces anyway. It's this kind of prejudice that kept black and brown ballerina's and opera singers from performing so called 'classic' roles and were therefore relegated to the corps or the chorus instead of out in front.




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Well said

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Have fun re-casting the Lord of the Rings films with Mexicans and Afro-Americans. Would really add to the tale, wouldn't it?

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There was absolutely no reason why the setting had to be changed to Paris.


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Yes, the original was pretty much all from Rosemary's perspective so the viewer was never completely sure if it was all in her head or not. And the original was so much more effective as we never saw the baby (even though people will swear blind that they did).

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