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I'm outraged at the father!


So the husband and wife are happy together in their jobs and raising their son, and then the wife gets mixed up with "troublemakers" and the husband kicks her out as a disgrace and an outcast!

But the REAL kicker is that THEN the husband cannot raise the child all on his own, so PUTS HIM UP FOR ADOPTION, JUST LIKE THAT!

I felt really sorry for Mulligan's character in this, and bafflement as to why the husband felt he could DO this injustice to her, to THEM!

Don't give me any of that "it was how things were done back then" bull$hit, it was crap then and it certainly is NOW.

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I actually found the portrayal of Sonny to be very interesting (and well-acted). A lesser film would have cast a larger, tougher-looking actor, indicated an unhappy marriage from the beginning and made him instantly hateable. Instead, they cast Ben Whishaw (a very likeable actor who usually plays much more sympathetic roles), and Maud and Sonny initially seem to have a decent relationship. He is shown to be considerate toward her (for example, offering to deliver the parcel) and they have a comparatively happy home. I would even say that he loves her - up to a point.

Of course he becomes a lot less likeable when he throws out his wife, insults her, implies she has deliberately hurt the family, and cruelly refuses to let her see their son. However, giving up George for adoption is arguably the right decision. Sonny says to Maud that they have been ostracized from the community. He has doubtless lost his job at the laundry and will find it hard to get another one without a reference. In 1912, there was no welfare state to provide support for them. Giving up George could not only give him a more secure future, but even save his life (particularly given that he was ill at the start of the film). Of course, it is awful for Sonny to do it without discussing it with Maud, or at least letting her say goodbye, but I didn't find his choice entirely unsympathetic.


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I understand, Tess22, but it sure was cruel back then. I feel sorry for the boy above anyone else, except maybe Maud who lost her martyr friend.

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This scene made me cry! The little actor who played the son was really good.

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But that's exactly how it was done we often judge the past by our modern standards imagine what someone would think about us in 2015 in the year 2115 they would see us as backward and cruel. I don't think people really get a picture of how things were back then. Sonny and Maud were working class, things for the working class back then was 100 times worse than it is now. I'm not saying it was right or fair but where could they go to?

I agree with the other poster, Ben Whishaw portrays sympathetic characters they could have got a tougher looking actor and made the whole thing completely one sided but I loved it wasn't a black and white picture. Men were beaten in the streets when their wives were participating with the Suffragettes.

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I was about to answer with almost exactly the same thing!

It's what happened back then.

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That Sonny Watts might not be the father of George Watts? Just sayin'...

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I did wonder that, that vile laundry owner could have been but I think we are led to believe he is in the film. So glad to see the young girl taken out of his clutches. I gave a small thumbs up in the cinema when Maud did what she did to him!

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I went back a second time to check my memory, Oakcourt, and I think it is very clear in context that (1) George is the son of "that vile laundry owner," and that (2) Maud's marriage to Sonny is merely a marriage of convenience. However, I think the filmmakers should have been more clear about their intentions so that audience members would not be confused about this point. I am the rare person who would see it a second time, but I realized I had to when other people--especially my own husband--hadn't understood what was so clear to me the first time I saw Suffragette. All best, Jan

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That possibility didn't even cross my mind, but that brings a whole new perspective to this entire situation.

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Yup!

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Did you know that the laws at this time made the husbands responsible for their wives and children and their choices? Men had to pay for wives who were sleeping in another house. If men were dominating, it's partly because the government was forcing it on them. They either control the overgrown child or the overgrown child can stab him in the back. You can't hate on the leader of one household when looking back on this period. He has reasons that we can't fully understand today.

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Yes, men in theory had financial responsibility for their wives whether they were cohabitating or not, but it wasn't enforced. Do we see George give Maud a penny after he throws her out? Hardly.

In fact, it's the other way: Maud hands her pay envelope over to him every week, and he locked the contents away and controlled how it was spent. She was supporting HIM more than the other way around.

As for your last comment: "you can't hate on [sic] the leader of one household when looking back at the period". I disagree. You can definitely hate this character, who is viciously cruel to his wife when she dares to develop her own interests beyond him. He throws her out into the streets, refuses to let her see their child and then gives the child away. There's no other word for it but cruelty.

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It was 1912. Husbands controlled their wives legally and otherwise. Women were virtual slaves to their husbands. Prior to marriage it was their father, brother or uncle if there was no father. It's hard to imagine a world where women were treated that way, but it was over 100 years ago.

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Do you people ever stop to think that things were like that for good reason and that it had nothing to do with actually trying to hurt women??

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Yeah, i'm sure they enjoyed being legally considered property

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Actually, I think most of them didn't know that there was a problem.

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It was 1912. Husbands controlled their wives legally and otherwise.
When Maude and the other five ladies were jailed, Alice Haughton wanted to bail them all out, but her husband refused. That would have been fine if he'd earned the money, but he didn't. It was from her family, but it became his when he married her. It was pretty clear she wasn't happy with that, but that's just the way it was. No prenups back then.

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I'm outraged, that many feminists and females, allowed their husbands and sons and brothers and boyfriends, to get maimed and killed for the government in this era and thought those that wouldn't fight, were sissy or daffy and not "real" men. I am outraged, that many feminists and females, are still so darn needy for what men provide for them and yet attempt to undermine and emasculate them, as though they don't think they are as "superior" and "special" as them.


Don't give me any of that "it was how things were done back then" bull$hit, it was crap then and it certainly is NOW.
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Yes, it was bull$h!t, how men were oppressed by the ruling classes and expected to act in certain ways, in order to provide for their WOMEN and families, or risk being ostracized from society themselves. Of course, it is only poor precious and special females that were put up-on and their needs were more important, even though many men didn't get to vote themselves, unless they became pawns in an appalling game and dark time in history. Of course again, it only affected women more, because they were so much weaker and dependent.

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Such logical arguments for true equality is oppressive to women, you know that right?

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It was horrific but he couldn't look after the kid. Legally she couldn't have him. And it seems neither could provide for him. So they were thinking of him. It's really awful though. I hate adoption even in the best of circumstances - usually it's unfair and messed up.

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But legally she COULD have had custody of little George, if only he'd allowed it!

Husbands walked out on their wives all the time, leaving children to be raised by a single mother. There was no question of a custody battle unless the husband chose to make it an issue, which didn't often happen.

He wronged her three times over:

First, he threw her out. He should not have had the legal right to do that. Not only was she his wife, which meant by law and custom he was obligated to provide a roof over her head, but she worked too, contributing close to half the household income. Locking her out of her own home was a monstrously cruel thing to do, but under the misogynistic laws of the time he could do it.

Remember, she never chose to leave him. She got involved in a political cause that he disapproved of so he threw her into the streets. Nice guy.

Second, he refused to let her see her son, another great wrong, which was permitted under the laws of the time. She was the boy's mother. Had she ever been abusive to the child, separating them might have been justified, but there was no question of that. Again, a monstrously cruel thing to do.

Third and worst of all, he gave the child up for adoption without getting her consent, without even telling her. He wouldn't have even given her a chance to say goodbye if she hadn't happened to come by that day with the birthday present. The cruelest blow of all.

And the laws of the time allowed this! No wonder she was fighting back.

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Could she have? I had assumed women couldn't then, and that was the issue. It's a bit different when the man walks out and doesn't contest things.

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