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The U.S. military shot it down


May have been a training accident gone awry, but why on Earth would the military conduct an exercise involving missiles in an area where commercial planes fly?
Doesn't make sense.

As another person said on this board, it's possible some idiot on a navy ship locked onto the commercial airliner and accidentally fired, maybe not knowing that the missile silos were loaded or whatever. But I can't imagine that people this aloof or stupid would be allowed to work with missiles, much less step foot on a Navy vessel.

Regardless, when you have hundreds of witnesses, professional ones like pilots and ex-military, who specifically saw a missile launch from the surface and impact the plane, then you definitely cannot believe the official account of events which essentially ignores these hundreds of eye-witnesses.

The only organization that has missiles capable of shooting down an airliner are the military. So why did the military shoot down a commercial airliner? This sort of reminds me of the episode that occurred in the late 80's were the USS Vincennes shot down an Iranian airliner, killing all 290 people aboard, including over 60 children.

Amazing that they would murder their own citizens.

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I remember hearing about this a long time ago and smirked, "Ok who got drunk and played with the missiles?" But never knew it was 3, so there must have been an exercise going on and many people knew what was up that's why the FBI was right on the scene I guess.....

Assume nothing; Question everything

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Assume nothing; Question everything


This idea fails when you are blindly confident the answer will be a lie.

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Regardless, when you have hundreds of witnesses, professional ones like pilots and ex-military, who specifically saw a missile launch from the surface and impact the plane,


There wasn't hundreds. They only had 10-15 witnesses on the show. These few are the people looking for their "15mins" of fame. If you actually pay attention to what the show says, this is a no-brainer. The so called expert witnesses(i.e. pilots, etc) only saw 1, repeat ONE object resembling a missile heading toward the plane. Yet the show says there were 3 missiles. All coming from different locations. From the ocean and from the land. How do you account for the discrepancies? They all saw "something", from different angles and different altitudes. For this show and conspiracy to exist, they came up with 3 missiles to explain all the witnesses accounts. And in doing so, discredits all of them. Not one single witness said they saw all 3. If our military accidentally fired a missile and then supposedly fired another to take out the 1st one, then how do you explain the missile fired from land? And no shoulder fired rocket has the range to take down this flight, so that rules out any terrorists.

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On the sow they had 10-15 witnesses. All told, there were over 100 people who saw a streak head up, then turn towards flight 800. Yeah, right, faulty wire. Military training mishap is almost certainly what happened. The other possible alternative - terrorist sleeper cell doesn't hold water as no way they would have stayed quiet about it. Someone would have bragged about it by now.

"Gold buys a mans silence for a time. A bolt to the heart buys it forever"

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All such "witness accounts" are notoriously unreliable for various reasons and should be treated as such; as the old tune goes, extraordinary theories require extraordinary proof and there certainly is none of that in this case. As long as some is provided, it`s no better than the ridiculous 9/11 "inside job" nonsense. People just like mysteries and being privy to those mysteries (or so the poor souls imagine); they like the idea of powerful cabals orchestrating everything from the shades as in such case, there`s at least control, even if the ones controlling are bad dudes. A fuel tank randomly exploding as a result of some freak accidents or occurrances... that`s much scarier. It just happens.

Too bad it also signaled the beginning of the end for the iconic TWA.



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I find there compelling reasons to suspect the official report is not accurate. The behavior of the various investigating organizations is foremost, and failed protocols on testing materials is also very questionable. In any investigation there should be a strong protocol on testing and management of evidence. There was no consistency.

I do have to wonder where the missiles came from. If they came from a ship, or numerous locations, I would think someone would talk. But then, look at how well members of the military keep secrets historically. So there could have been a massive failure on the part of servicemen or electronics that control missiles.

As far as the witnesses, the reports show that 755 people were interviewed after the event. The documentary never says how many of these were witness that observed phenomenon that was regarded as possible missiles. The final hearing had a testimony given by an NTSB employee who cited how inaccurate witness testimony can be. My background is in psychology and we did cover the various biases common in witness testimony. Generally the main problem for accuracy is accounting for many details at a given event that one person may notice, but others not notice. This is why the police gather as much testimony from all the witness and then piece together the consistencies and discount the inconsistencies.

The NTSB cited a study about how witness testimony changes over time, and that is true. This is why it is important to depose and interview witnesses as soon as possible after events. But this is irrelevant to this investigation. The witnesses WERE interviewed within days after the event, not months or years where memory fault is relevant. So why did the NTSB cite such an irrelevant study except to prejudice witness testimony as a credible tool for investigation? If a witness is to testify under oath they are usually represented by an attorney, and the job of the attorney is to make sure the testimony given months or years later is consistent with original answers.

To my mind if so many witnesses, even just a dozen, which is a significant number, independently observed flares or rockets rise FROM the horizon into the air and intersect with the plane, THAT is highly credible. If the initial interviews don't reflect these answers and only came well after the event, then there would be grounds io discount them. But if the records show a consistent pattern of observation, then that is compelling.

As for seeing one flare/rocket versus as many as three, well that is part of the witness bias that can happen. If a person focuses on one object it is not easy to break focus and see something else unless trained as an observer or distracted by something more extraordinary. If you watch planes fly at night you can understand how the mind will focus on the lights and peripheral vision unable to pick up stars or lights of other planes. It is a phenomenon of the human brain to focus on uncertain things we observe. It is related to what is called "weapon bias" where witnesses are focused on a weapon and do not see other details.

So it is not significant that all witnesses did not see all three rockets. What is significant is one issue: did witnesses see flares or rockets originate from the horizon and into the air to intersect with the plane. If yes, and there is an accumulation of other testimonies that compliment others, and don't invalidate them, then this can't be ignored. I find the dismissal of witness accounts unwarranted and if what the documentary presented was true, there wasn't an honest official explanation of the disaster.

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Watching this documentary, there is an animation starting around 1:14:40 that shows two "objects" appearing from different points. The first zigzags and then seems to lock on the plane. The second object also seems to lock on the plane immediately after first object did. A third object was then launched and locked on the aircraft.

Is it possible the objects (missiles?) were meant to lock on to each other in a training exercise, but instead locked on the plane?

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