What happened?


as many feel the radio show was pure genius, but this show is woefully unfunny. the count is great whenever he's on screen but everything else is toss. it's bad enough that they've severely toned down arthur's malapropisms and spoonerisms but the other characters are sub bbc1 sitcom dross. is rory kineer supposed to be a comedic actor? i'm amazed this is from the man behind father ted and the it crowd.

steve delaney is sublime as the count, but jesus, he's being lost in this show.

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Like most viewers I have not heard of the radio series, I am aware this tv adaptation has watered Arthur Strong down and I reckon it probably needed to or else the viewers would find him a turn off.

Its that man again!!

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letterbocks, I couldn't agree more.

When I heard this show was being made I thought, Count Arthur plus Graham Linehan - this could be a classic. Arthur's still great but any time spent on all the other characters is time wasted. On radio, they were mostly there just to set Arthur off on something. They shouldn't be real people to the extent that there are scenes without Arthur! Also, what was wrong with the radio characters that they aren't in the TV show? All the stuff in Bulent's Cafe is embarrassing, and Arthur is yet to even be seen getting p***ed in his local.

This isn't beyond repair. It's changing day and time from next week (episode 4) which isn't a good sign, but if it gets a second series, they should go back to basics. It should be all about Arthur. Although it began to go downhill in the radio series 6 and 7, there's certainly more than enough material in 42 half-hour episodes to bring to TV for a few series. And move it back to Doncaster with the original characters. I miss Malcolm de Tinsel!

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The second series has already been commissioned. I think they will tweak it but no way are they going to make a straight adaptation of the radio show but use aspect of the radio scripts.



Its that man again!!

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That'd be OK. I didn't mean they should adapt the radio shows, but there is gold in there and it's all Arthur! I'm trying to work out why this first series chose to go the way it has. Graham Linehan is a comedy god and with Arthur to work with, what could go wrong? I went on Wickipedia just now and apparently Jeremy (League Of Gentleman) Dyson was involved at the start but as a spoof quiz show format. Now that would have been interesting.

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Also, what was wrong with the radio characters that they aren't in the TV show?

I can answer that, to an extent, because a mate of mine - Dave Mounfield - played three characters on the radio show (Jerry and Geoffrey and one other whose name escapes me at the moment), so that would have been impossible. I still think he should have at least got to play ONE of them on the tv show though!




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Hi loz. I remember your mate's name from the radio credits, and I'd have liked to see him as Geoffrey (maybe as the sidekick instead of Rory Kinnear), but why couldn't he have kept the cafe owner part?

I see the practical difficulties but really what I meant I suppose was why replace the radio characters with a different bunch of people when they add nothing? One example: Sally, the old woman on the radio, annoyed Arthur and so set him off on numerous occasions, and had some funny lines herself. Replaced by a Polish woman who has said about six words in three episodes, and so far seems to be there solely as Arthur's object of desire.

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Hi stemal-1. I agree with everything you said.

I know Dave was pretty miffed about not being asked to be on the tv series, but he's not one to kick up a fuss and he's basically just got on with things. He managed to get a (very brief) talking part as a plumber on Eastenders for one episode, and he's been in Silent Witness and Da Vinci's Demons recently, as well as being in the lesser known surrealist comedy This Is Jinsy. So it's not like he's not working, but still, yes, I'd have liked to see him as Geoffrey too.




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A lot of people I have spoken to disliked the radio show because Arthur sounds like he is taking the mickey out of stroke victims but the TV show has a quite different Count Arthur going on much more likeable really, more leaning toward pathos than the malaprop driven radio charachter ,

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Stroke victims? Where did that come from? Some people must sit there waiting to be offended.
Count Arthur is surely just a bumbling old fool.There,I've probably just offended old people.Tough.I'm nearly seventy myself so get over it.
I absolutely love the radio shows but the TV series is a huge disappointment.
I blame Graham Linehan.He wasn't involved in the radio series and obviously wants the TV version to be different in order to put his own mark on it.
Sorry but it just doesn't work.

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Sorry I meant dementia.

you didn't like G Linehan's work. How about Father Ted, IT crowd etc.?

As a receptor of both versions re Count Arthur I liked the TV show but had been 'primed' by the radio show probably... The words 'stroke' and 'dementia' came up came up at a dinner party a sew years ago with a wide generation span and whilst I had thought it, I was not the first to mention it, when we were discussing our favourite radio comedy, it was a young man. age about 27 who proposed the word 'stroke' his wife suggested 'dementia'.
( The outright unanimous favourite was Hancock's Half Hour, by a mile)

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I need to blame someone for this and it has to be Graham Linehan.

Linehan is a genius, responsible for much of the great UK TV comedy of the last 20 years, but went off in an unnecessary direction here. Arthur didn't need tampering with.

I've gone on ad nauseum in other threads about the radio series compared to this, and I won't start again. I'll stick with that the main difference seems to be the involvement of Graham Linehan instead of Graham Duff.

I'd still kiss his boots if I met him, before I asked him what the hell went wrong with Count Arthur.

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If the stroke comment was meant to be a chiding for using a post stroke life as a comedy source then substituting it for the modern pandemic of dementia is hardly an improvement. I can only suggest that every character in everything will sometimes display FAULTs if you like. We could show distaste to Mr Humphries in Are you being served for displaying such a perception of his lifestyle/choice. Oddly I find this to be a pervasive display yet it has spawned a multitude of like displays to the extent it seems as thought this IS the way to tell the world who you truely are.

It would also be wrong to stereotype pompous people or delusional people, Mrs BUCKET. BOUQUET. We can even [sinfully] laugh at situations regarding dead people See WEEKEND AT BERNIES with its corpse manipulation and disrespect for the dead.
Taken to its extremes perhaps one of my Heroes Cromwell should come back. He banned frivolity of any kind. Including Christmas which may not be a bad idea yet not clamoured for by the non believers. Perhaps they are also the lip serving manufacturers etc of the products the rest of the gullible public [are forced to by peer pressure] purchase for the population of greedier growing offspring.

Yes we are now guilty of laughing at as opposed to laughing with. But all things are unfair. The advancement of our nation [wealth]has always depended upon the reduction of worth in another so that is unfair.

I am sorry that I get amusement at what some might find as someone else's ailment or suffering. Ricky Gervais while playing Derek is probably distasteful but his character in the office series should also attract our sympathy. Or incarceration? Those deluded people with those self beliefs do exist and the bye ball is frequently allowed. Many even have been given promotion to keep them out of the way and out of the courtrooms.

Ronnie Barkers Open all hours must have also been a cruel take on stutterers and his many of his monologue wordsmith routines.

I have only within the last few days discovered this character STRONG and am now working my way through the second TV series. Some of the material is really laugh out loud stuff for egample the Captain Phillips moment being watched from behind the curtains was really a fantastic moment and there have been quite few of them and yess the 'expertise I'M afraid' line classic or is it now Legend/Quality. I cannot criticize any of the supporting work as it is only there as filler. This is to watch Delaney at work and his work is good. The memory required to repeatedly include the wrong words into a piece of flowing prose is surely quite difficult. But most comedy gives us pathos and yet we can be given 'moments' of real emotional drama. Getting a lump in the throat is hard to handle in the middle of a period of out loud laughing. That sort of acting I do give full marks.

I have a book, written in the 1930s. It is called '1066 and all that'. It is suggested that a few teachers have put together the submitted answers by pupils in history exams. Perhaps that too is showing us laughing at and not with. It is quite a hoot to read the confused interpretations and lack of comprehension. As it is history I am assuming it would have been from one of the up market parts of the education system of the time.

Someone will always bear the brunt of attempts at humour. My wife loves banana slipping stuff so You've been framed is good enough other than when small children are involved being hurt.

Perhaps we need to reappraise our attitude in laughing at dear old Adolf/Mugabwee [ee ba gum]/any given North Korean leader/any Ayatollah/Bin Laden [alive and well running a dry cleaning shop in Albuquerque with his now 100 wives as assistants] and not least at the man most responsible for modern [terrorist caused] deaths seen as a child abuser and also polygamist [and so were they all back then when possible. Why would the apostles have been any different].

I hope I will continue to see laugh out loud material in the next episodes. I hope to introduce my wife to this but she has had a minor stroke, I believe she has ADD wish it was OCCD or even ADHD with a duster. She beleives she can play games of a computer and watch Tele out of the corner of her eye. Well I can give her that if it is any of the soaps but otherwise I doubt. She can even read in bed and watch tele and sleep and watch tele [I digress]. She is guilty of mispronunciation for a few words but that may be because she is Scottish and is as well spoken as the Scottish leader of today. Her ability in understanding comedy is dependent upon the joke being very short or very visual. T. Cooper J. Pasquale come to mind.

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I don't understand all the hate towards Rory Kinnear - I get that most people want more of Arthur (and I agreed the various other supporting characters are a bit annoying/weak) but I think Rory is great! I love his reactions to Arthur's rants and ramblings and I just love his general pomposity about everything, which you know is going to come back to haunt him by the end of the episode!

I think you need the foil or straight man in the tv show, otherwise Arthur might get a bit annoying if he were just "on one" for the full half hour. Personally, I laugh as much at Michael's lines and facial expressions, as I do at Arthur.

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