In BB he seemed for a long time like a decent wise old timer doing this for his daughter and her kid. He only killed the bad guys, and could be reasoned with. He had an old school cowboy thing about him and a lot of viewers liked him for this.
Now I haven't watched Season 4, but it seems he is now just a typical thug really, killing for business. Not at all likeable now
mike walked into a game he can't walk out of. neither could werner.
he took no joy in it, tried to talk gus out of it, but when the decision was made, chose to do the job himself. he hired the guy, it was on him. he did the best he could do in the situation, getting werner to warn his wife home, allowed werner his measure of dignity in facing his own death.
mike is a thug. but not a brute, if that distinction makes sense to you. he has a code.
Totally right. Mike has his own set of ethics and he won't divert from them. In the case of Werner's execution, I see it as Mike's final act of "friendship." The two men did have a very cordial relationship and they were fond of each other.
Since Mike knew that Gus was going have one of his goons murder Werner, Mike had two equally unpleasant choices: (1) watch Werner be dragged off to a terrifying death or (2) deal honestly with Werner so he could die with some measure of peace.
Mike may not be a good man, but he is an ethical one.
My friend was saying that Mike killed Werner because Gus was going to kill Mike and Werner if Mike didn't do it. When Gus said, "Wait there I will send my guys," Mike knew he was going to die along with Werner because Mike hired him, so he offered to kill Werner so Gus wouldn't kill him too.
yes, there was definitely self-interest at work. we have no way of knowing what the consequence of mike would be, at the very least he would have lost his position of trust, leadership. i don't think they would have wasted mike, because he has a quite valuable skill-set and having a hired hand go ofg the rails, under the circumstances, does significantly reflect upon his judgement. moreover, he showed a lot skill in organizing the successful effort to collect the fellow. though again him getting as far as he did reflected a managerial failure.
but not being able to clean up the situation ultimately, himself. would have indicated a weakness to gus that would have marginalized him, at best.
it is not unthinkable that they would have taken mike out too, but no necessary reason to see that as inevitable.
the aspect of self-interest or even self-preservation, in this discussion, is worth keeping in mind. mike didnt come into the organization as a soldier, he came in as a capo.
Mike killed Werner because he knew Werner would be terrified of the alternative. Mike was in no danger of being killed
shareyou have no reason to be sure about that. we aren't mind-readers. gus is quite certainly capable of executing people. i suppose what you mean is that you -think- gus wasn't likely to have mike killed. that, i would agree with. but i also think mike had no good reason -not- to fear that prospect, given his screw-up, risking total exposure of gus' operation, the lab. stakes very high here.
shareGus told Mike to wait right there ,Mike said no I'll take care of it, Gus said are you sure ,Mike said yes if he was in danger of being killed Gus would have said to stay there and wait for them to arrive
shareyes, but you could also view that, though i tend to agree, as once mike said he'd clean up his own mess, he regained gus trust. if he hadnt done that, and let his crew do it, he would no longer be the boss. and if he was no longer the boss, what use would he be, since he probably wouldnt want to be a soldier.
its all speculation anyway, which is what i'm saying. the only for sure is that mike helped himself considerably by cleaning up the mess himself.
the big thing mike's got going for him is he keeps nothing back. doesnt hide the bad news.
Werner had to be killed, Mike at least convinced Werner to send his wife back home so she wouldn’t have to be killed. He also allowed Werner to die in peace
shareI had never thought that Gus would kill Mike, but I can totally see Gus doing that. I think of the scene in BB where Walter and Jesse in the Underground Meth Lab after Jesse killed Gale. Gus walking in and changed into one of the orange lab suits and slashed the throat of Victor. https://youtu.be/T1L6jQ0Pfrw
Gus doesn't tolerate a single mistake.
I agree. I like Mike.
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