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I think Rachel... (ep7 spoiler)

posted 10 years ago by Arec_Barwin
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...should have blasted Atika,too. She'd been playing the whole family for donkey's years, coldly led Ephra to his death and was obviously complicit in the kidnap and the plot to blow up Nessa.

Then again, I think she needed to survive for a big Nessa/Atika closure scene in the last ep.

One thing maybe someone can help me with: after Rachel shot scarface, Atika held the barrel of the shotgun up to his cheek and said: "You shouldn't have raped her." If this wasn't part of the plan, what was the plan? Atika looked like she knew he was going to come into the cell looking back on episode 4; if not to rape Nessa, why?

But at least this clears up why, although she was up to her neck in it all, she did look genuinely distraught whilst the rape was in progress.

[–] !!!deleted!!! (41638798) 10 years ago

Yes, it makes it look like Atika agreed to the master plan of getting Nessa over to the West Bank to be held there.

But the powers that were running that show did not tell Atika the full plan: that Nessa would be raped until, perhaps, she became pregnant.

It always looked as though Scarface did not want to do it and had to psyche himself up with medications and by looking in grief at the pictures of his dead wife and kid(s). But he seemed to know he had to do it.

Maybe they kept Atika in the dark about the planned rapes. So it would seem anyway.

[–] AlbaITA 10 years ago

I fully agree with you.
Atika didn't know about the rape. Although I wonder to what did she agree about?
I mean, what were they going to do with Nessa. Just torture her, for what?

By the way, I think the voice of the woman, who we listen in the opening credit saying: "If it's the price for a nation" is Atika's voice.
There is also the possibility of her being a CIA agent, but seems a bit far fetched tbh.

However, the rape thing was ordered to Scarface by his father.
It's obvious. Not only in the scene with him taking the medicines and crying, as you mentioned. He also said to the little boy, who got wonded: "I didn't want it. I didn't want any of it. But those were my orders and I'm a soldier, and a soldier has no choice."

[–] reddkryten 10 years ago

I just want to confirm one thing you said (although it was pretty clear anyway).

When viewed with subtitles on it is confirmed that Atika says "if it's the price for a nation".

[–] AlbaITA 10 years ago

Yeah, I saw the final episode and it was hers.
I was watching the series with subtitles actually. English is not my first language, so I always use them.
At first, I didn't pay too much attention to that bit. I always knew that Atika was not the one she pretended to be, but I start thinking about it after the episode 6. She told Rachel about the boy and it was clear that she wanted to cause problems to that family, and not because she was in love with Ephra.

[–] aimei2006 10 years ago

Why did the grandfather want her to get pregnant? So he could have some sort of leverage over her in the future?

[–] So-lo 9 years ago

So there'd be his blood in Stein's grandchild's veins. “First I ordered his death, now I take his heritage; how great is his defeat?” was the exact quote.

[–] AlbaITA 10 years ago

But at least this clears up why, although she was up to her neck in it all, she did look genuinely distraught whilst the rape was in progress.

Which explains why she burned his face. The whole scene of the rape thing is a total let down to me though.

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[–] AlbaITA 10 years ago

Yes, we got that. The real question is: How was the kidnap supposed to work in first place? What did she (Atika) thought they would do to Nessa. Torture her, for what? Kill her?
What if Nessa didn't make the question of the money to the Palestinians? What if she did listen to her brother and not go to Gaza?
You do not make these kind of plan, certainly not a group of Palestinians, based completely on chances, which were almost zero.

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[–] floatingpig 9 years ago

Was wondering the same thing, Gutterball22. Not sure what Atika thought what would happened to them if she's not aware of the rape.