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*major spoilers* I'm confused...


So i just finished the series and I'm still a bit confused as to what the hell it was all about. Can someone explain to me what this was all about? I get that the Israelis used the Stein Group to spy on the Palestinians, but what were the Palestinians trying to do by kidnapping the kid? Also, were they just pawns being used by the Americans?? So many questions...

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I'll be watching this thread with interest, because I didn't get it either!

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I'll give it a whirl, but it's just my two pence/cents.

What it was about was not centered on the various goings on with the characters or who kidnapped Kassim, or other character outcomes, which are important but not the linch pin.

--I believe what Hugo Blick wanted to do was write an Israeli/Palestinian story that charted the journeys of several different entities and show how EVERYBODY in that whole world has some kind of agenda--some positive but naïve like Nessa.

--Then as her opposite was Zahid Al-Zahid. He obviously started out as a youth dedicated to the Palestine homeland.

However, we see that after his family was hit by a Stein bomb, he just became a one-note violent psychopath, committing murders in the most systematic way against Nessa's family. So we find the agenda behind all of his actions had long since ceased to be about Palestine per se. It was ALL personal. His agenda was entirely personal. He wasn't working for any higher cause at all.

--Whereas Atika embodied the pure Palistinian cause--her lifelong agenda. Which is why she behaved as she did toward Zahid when he revealed himself to her and she realized he had poisoned her cause with banal revenge.

--Ephram's very narrow agenda was to free the Israeli soldier, and he naively got into something over his head that had terrible repercussions. He was an amateur messing with the big dogs and he got burned. So his agenda was disastrous. So it set in motion other bad things.

--Atika was an idealist playing the long game and made a life of sacrifice for her honourable cause. And died defending it. And died defending her Israeli-British friend and son as well. So the ideological borders were there, her love for her country absolute, but both Nessa and Atika each crossed their divides because they loved and cared for one another. So that wasn't a simple division either. Their relationship was the epitome of complicated.

--Then there were the big players--the puppet masters with THEIR agendas. The U.S. co-opted an Mi6 agent to try to get a two-state solution. That Mi6 agent however was not working for her country or supporting her ally, the U.S.

--Monica was out entirely for herself and for herself ONLY. That was HER agenda. Self-promotion and become head of Mi6 no matter how many people had to die along the way under the cover of the gambit she was working.

She pretended to be working on an agenda that was positive for the region but it was purely personal. She had no dedication whatsoever to working toward any kind of solution for the region.

--So in the end it was all about agendas. Some honourable. Some just about power. Some about idealistic agendas but some descended into nothing at all but constant violence and killing.

--And then the viperous El-Amin; his agenda was profit, profit, profit. He wanted the whole shebang, the cables and Nessa's entire company for that matter. He had no allegiances except to profit.

I think Blick was trying to say: Look, do you see now why this situation with Palestine and Israel is so complicated? And has gone on for so long without proper resolution?

Because SO many people have competing agendas of their own and everybody's entrenched in them and it's just so damned complicated, we cannot get forward movement or permanent solutions.

It was a broad stroke series. But he imbued it with strong characters representing the agendas.

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Thank you, paradesend! I'm going to watch it again, armed with your explanation. Sorry for that bad pun.

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I never saw this show, and apparently the final episode is next week. I've only ever seen the commercials, so had no idea what it was about.

Thank you for this analysis of things in the show. You've helped me, someone who's never seen the show, to understand what was going on. I appreciate it. It makes me want to watch the show if it ever airs again in reruns.

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Nice job paradesend!

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Thanks, but the ideas came also from discussions with a friend who saw it. We both ended up simply saying about this show and Blick's intention:

"It's complicated!" ha!

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You seem to have a good idea as to what Honorable Woman is about. Can you explain the ending? Why did KASIM'S grandfather send Nessa to be killed by Israeli Soldiers? Why would Israeli's want her killed? Also why did Monica have an American Soldier try to kill Nessa, why would Americans want her killed? Thanks in advance, watched this alone and have no one to collaborate with.

thanks.

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thanks, very good analysis

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Ok, so Kasim's grandfather had a major beef with Eli Stein, Nessa's father, so he sent Atika in as a sort of "undercover" confidant. He had originally ordered the death of their father thinking that would be enough, but when it wasn't, he had to go after Nessa and Ephra. When Nessa was visiting their school he made sure (I'm assuming) that Ephra had to make that accounting transaction that went into Gaza so that Nessa would be forced under her moral code to search for exactly where tht money went and what it was yes for. He also made sure that when she was in Israel her translator would be working for him. Atika knew just the people to take Nessa to in Gaza and knew that she would be captured. What Arika didn't know was that she would be raped, something that was also planned by this man. When they "escaped" and Nessa was forced to have the child he said he had big plans for Nessa Stein. All of it, from Ephra's complicity in the wire tap to Kasim's kidnapping to Shlomo's framing to the assassination of that guy at the beginning I forget his name to Nessa's being forced to give the contract to the guy who got food poisoning -- everything was orchestrated by the fater of the man who raped her as part of a revenge sche against her father. Monica the secret agent was in on it, Arika was in on it, they were all being used by him in one way or another so that he could have his revenge.

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US wants statehood for Palestine. US Secretary of State agrees with the plan of killing Ephra and Nessa Stein and letting a militant Israeli group claim the murder. This gives the US a reason to go against Israel and veto the UN resolution against Palestinian statehood. Things get complicated when Samir Meshal called Palestinian authorities and informed them that "she has agreed" to the plan. Israelis and Americans find about the phone call since they are both engaged in wiretapping phone calls coming to and from Palestine. Before the Israelis could get hold of Samir Meshal to let him spill the beans about the plan and reveal the identity of the mysterious woman who has agreed with it, the Americans kill Samir Meshal. Things (ransom paid to free captured Israeli soldier, wiretapped cable lines, etc) start to unravel after his death.

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A Democratic US administration (which got tired of pretending they are not Jew-haters) used several federal law enforcement and secret service agencies to frame Israel for a vicious terror attack in order to get an excuse to stop supporting Israel without alienating its Jewish voters back home.

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