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Christian dishonesty *SPOILERS*


Up front: I am a Christian. But I am ashamed of Christians who would dishonestly give this film such high ratings, simply because it lacks swear words. It also lacks quality in the script. I thought the filmmakers had previously done a good job with the drama OCTOBER BABY, but this supposed comedy was God awful, about uninteresting, whiny people, with messages all over the place and themes that felt as tacked on as Post-It notes.

The actors did their best with it, as did the cinematographer and sound man. But the script was TERRIBLY amateurish, both structurally and within individual scenes. A movie about motherhood should have a point beyond some platitude unsupported by the film overall. And a comedy is supposed to be funny! I mean, the protagonist's victory is a mommy blog that was never introduced as a goal until after she'd achieved it -- OFF SCREEN! It was also structured so poorly that it fostered a message that can be boiled down to this: God loves you but don't expect that to make one bit of difference -- your life will still be a wreck, so you'd better get used to it.

What!?

The wisest, most well-adjusted person in the whole film is a tattooed biker who "has drifted away from God." The best "mom" in the movie wasn't actually in the movie: It was tough-guy Bones' mother who came home every night -- after leaving him alone as as little kid while she worked (!) -- and told him God loved him. But, since Bones is an illustrated man who has been in and out of prison, that news apparently did him no good. And since the protagonist mom needs advice from this tattooed ex-con, God certainly hasn't done her much good either!

One plot hole after another, one flat joke, one whine after another, one unintentional message after another in a script that took 15 minutes to reach its inciting incident and half an hour to get to its premise... yet it was released by a major Studio (Sony). Was no one affiliated with the Studio or the production company capable of writing -- or critiquing -- a script before the cameras rolled?

Yes, like most Christians I want more clean, uplifting films. I do. When I say I wish there were more "good movies," I don't just mean high quality. I do mean morally good. But for Pete's sake, if we don't hold our fellow Christians to a reasonable standard of quality, and give them a pass every time they make a movie without 4-letter words, we will continue to get -- and reward -- the makers of crummy movies like this.

We deserve better, and God deserves better from us. We are never going to influence the world with half-baked, sub par dreck like this.

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> I am a Christian. But I am ashamed

Reading through this text, it appears that you aren't really that good of a Christian. You seem to be zooming in on all the wrong points that a Christian should be concerned about.

> A movie about motherhood should have a point beyond some platitude unsupported by the film overall.

The point of the movie couldn't have been any clearer; being a mother can be really hard, but it's the best job you can ever have. All of the mothers in the film felt that a night out would give them a much needed break from motherhood, but they all discovered that all they really wanted to do was reunite with their family.

And, to drive that point home, everyone in the movie was obsessed by the mother eagle on the webcam.

> I mean, the protagonist's victory is a mommy blog that was never introduced as a goal until after she'd achieved it -- OFF SCREEN!

You must have fast-forwarded through the first ten minutes of the movie. Ally tells us that her goal is to write a mommy blog. But, she doesn't have enough time and she only has a couple of subscribers anyway. The events in the movie gave her a new perspective to being a mother and that's the fuel she needed to write the blog.

> The wisest, most well-adjusted person in the whole film is a tattooed biker who "has drifted away from God." The best "mom" in the movie wasn't actually in the movie: It was tough-guy Bones' mother

As a Christian, you should be praising this subplot. Christianity is all about making human mistakes and then asking for forgiveness and trying to be a better person after that. Religion exists for people to learn from their mistakes.

Read that story in your Bible about the Prodigal Son.

> And since the protagonist mom needs advice from this tattooed ex-con, God certainly hasn't done her much good either!

Look closer. God sent this man to encounter Ally at the exact point in her life where she needed his words of wisdom. You should be praising God's timing rather than questioning His methods.

> it fostered a message that can be boiled down to this: God loves you but don't expect that to make one bit of difference -- your life will still be a wreck, so you'd better get used to it.

Again, read your Bible. This exact message is described in several places. God gave you free will to destroy your own life or to build a good, moral life. It's all your choice. But, He loves you no matter what you choose to do.

That's kind of like being a parent. You teach your children as best as you can but, at some point, you send them out on their own to sink or swim. Whether they become a saint or a murderer, you still love them the same.

> One plot hole after another, one flat joke, one whine after another, one unintentional message after another

Yeah, I can agree with you on that point. But, that did fit with the style of the movie. They weren't supposed to be professional comics on tour. They were just mommies that probably heard a joke outside of nursery rhymes for 15 years now.

> Was no one affiliated with the Studio or the production company capable of writing -- or critiquing -- a script before the cameras rolled?

The movie flowed pretty much the same as "The Hangover" or "Bride's Maids" and those made a lot of money. Sony just followed along in those footsteps.

> When I say I wish there were more "good movies," I don't just mean high quality. I do mean morally good.

This was about the most "morally good" movie I've seen in many years. No one was having an affair and no one was even having marital issues. All of the children in the movie obeyed their parents absolutely. None of the adults acted irresponsibly in any way. And there were no villains.

What the heck more do you want?

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Bing-57; Exactly! Thank you!

Signed, Me.

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I enjoyed the movie, laughed a lot, cried once, and thought it was a great movie. I have a 2.5 year old and one on the way. My patience has been tested and my temper short lately, and this movie put me right back where I needed to be.

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First responder to you was way too critical.

I was a film student and a published film critic in a former life, and while I think you make some good points about what films in this vein ought to aim for, I think you're way off on the quality of this specific movie. IMHO, you've misunderstood the "protagonist's victory" and also the point of the film, although the neat little "here are the lessons I learned" wrap-up at the end (one of the two weak points in the film, I thought) could lead a viewer to think as you do. As for the mom needing advice from the biker, that was one of the best moments in the film, and again, I think you've missed the point entirely, which is something like how God works through all kinds of people and in all kinds of circumstances, and how you can't always tell what a person's relationship to God is by whether he's a churchgoer, or whether he looks like a nice little suburbanite, or other such factors.

IMHO this is far from a "crummy movie," and I'm sorry you saw it that way. (You're aware, I'm sure, that comedies tend to generate a hugely disparate reaction.) However, I will agree completely that the whole "Christian" film genre, and in a wider sense the "Christian" arts in general, tend toward much lower quality than they should, and they satisfy themselves way too often with whatever will play well in the churches. (It's also true, though, that critics and antireligionists tend to be way too hard, irrationally so, on relatively minor flaws. So the whole ideology-blindness thing cuts both ways, as far as I'm concerned.)

Anyway, your last graf is really dead on target; I just think it's misapplied to this specific film. But in general, too often, yes.

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> First responder to you was way too critical.

When a person starts using God as a weapon, you can never be too critical of them.

> I will agree completely that the whole "Christian" film genre, and in a wider sense the "Christian" arts in general, tend toward much lower quality than they should, and they satisfy themselves way too often with whatever will play well in the churches.

Quite true. But, that applies to anyone writing a movie specifically to support a specific point of view. We see this in movies about the environment, politics, and other polarized viewpoints. They focus too much on the message and take ill-advised shortcuts to get there.

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I actually agree completely with what you're saying in that last graf. It's really at the heart of an art form, or "art" in general. You just can't get there from polemic, from a preconceived argument articulated in linear language that you've got lined out, and now you're going to use a story (or a painting, or whatever) to "get the message across," like it's a Trojan Horse or something. (Cf. "program music" versus "absolute music.") It violates the nature of art.

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What is most obvious to me is that anyone with positive reviews that complain about the negative reviews say that the negative reviews are a criticism of Christianity. None of the negative reviews I read are critical of Christianity, they are just critical of the movie.

Thank you for trying to explain that it truly is the movie. It is counter-productive to try to support Christianity by supporting the movie.

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