I was there last week and it is really sad and depressing.
And I must say I was a little disgusted with people taking smiling selfies in front of the Clan stones. Who would go to a cemetery and snap selfies with a gravestone?
There were small flowers in front of some of the stones, but at the Fraser stone there were some huge bouquets of hothouse roses. I dearly hope it has nothing to do with this fictional series, as I think that would be pretty disrespectful to the real Frasers who actually died there.
There were small flowers in front of some of the stones, but at the Fraser stone there were some huge bouquets of hothouse roses. I dearly hope it has nothing to do with this fictional series, as I think that would be pretty disrespectful to the real Frasers who actually died there.
Sadly the Fraser stone seems to have become some kind of "shrine" for Outlander fans. I saw a picture recently where people not only put flowers there, but also pics of Jamie with love messages and MPC stones.
I agree with you, that I find it distasteful and disrespectful to the real people who died there and their descendants. I also don't get it. I mean, I am the delusional among you guys after all (because I'm a super delusional tin hat shipper), but I'm not THAT delusional to see any connection between a real battlefield and a fictional character. I will, of course, visit places and locations I know from the Outlander books when I'll be in Scotland, but I won't believe that Jamie Fraser really visited them. I know he's not real!
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Also, setting aside that this is disgusting behaviour, it makes no sense plot-wise. Jamie didn't even die at Culloden in the novels.
I had no idea about the pictures and love messages. How utterly despicable. Have they no sense of the real history which happened there? I hope the groundskeepers throw all that crap out as soon as it touches the ground.
ETA: If you are visiting Doune Castle, make sure to pick up the audio guide as some chapters about the filming of Outlander are narrated by Sam!
ETA: If you are visiting Doune Castle, make sure to pick up the audio guide as some chapters about the filming of Outlander are narrated by Sam!
I heard, LOL. A friend of mine said she laughed out loud when she got to chapter17 and 18 and got curious glances from the other visitors.😂
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And I must say I was a little disgusted with people taking smiling selfies in front of the Clan stones. Who would go to a cemetery and snap selfies with a gravestone?
Well, I've never taken selfies by a gravestone. But back in the 1990's -- before there were such things as selfies -- I visited Pere Lachaise in Paris. It was January/February and the cemetery was very beautiful in a bleak sort of way. Many tombs are just so intricate and gorgeous. I can't believe they were created for no one to be swept up by them. In any event, I did take photographs there in black and white film and I thought they were lovely.
Furthermore, in regards to some of the people buried there. You hear of these historic and artistic people and some have been written about both historically, but also in fiction, such as you can barely believe they actually had lived. It's interesting to look at a tombstone of some person like Oscar Wilde, Colette, Proust and realize -- yes -- these figures who created such masterpieces actually did live! I felt the same way visiting museums and libraries, seeing original manuscripts of famous writers, noting the strike-outs and erasures of masterpieces of works -- like they weren't just beamed down in perfection and words, sentences, and paragraphs had been changed many times.
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What you describe is very different than what I saw at Culloden.
I have visited Jane Austen's house and her grave (would not have crossed my mind to take a selfie of me smiling standing on the memorial plate) and I felt the same. It is hard to describe.
I have visited Jane Austen's house and her grave (would not have crossed my mind to take a selfie of me smiling standing on the memorial plate) and I felt the same. It is hard to describe.
I am going to Winchester at the weekend for the first time. Hope to visit her grave, but I definitely won't be taking a selfie either.
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I can't believe they were created for no one to be swept up by them. In any event, I did take photographs there in black and white film and I thought they were lovely.
My mother was a great gravestone aficionado. She really loved cemeteries, which sounds so much weirder than she was. And battlefields. I remember walking miles (it seemed) through the fields of the Battle of Manassas - well, I remember riding on my brother's shoulders for miles. I think my mother would have loved DG.
I felt the same way visiting museums and libraries, seeing original manuscripts of famous writers, noting the strike-outs and erasures of masterpieces of works
If I get to see Anne Boleyn's book of hours with her handwriting in it, I'll die a happy woman.
Of all sad words of mouth or pen, the saddest are these: it might have been. - J G Whittier
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It does seem distasteful and disrespectful, however, Outlander has called so much attention to this period in time, that for many would never have been known about. Perhaps, those souls that lost their lives in Culloden would find a bit of mirth in the situation?! An important part of history has been forever memorialized by the Outlander fame.
Glencoe really is eerily beautiful, I got chills driving through.
I hope you get to see Jane Austen's grave. There's also the memorial of one of William Wilberforce's sons in the cathedral, who was a Bishop there. It's a very impressive building.
Glencoe really is eerily beautiful, I got chills driving through.
Yes it is beautiful whatever the weather. I've been through a couple of times. The first time I was on a coach and the driver played a song called 'Massacre Of Glencoe.' It certainly gave me the chills.
I hope you get to see Jane Austen's grave. There's also the memorial of one of William Wilberforce's sons in the cathedral, who was a Bishop there. It's a very impressive building.
Thanks. The cathedral is first on my list of places to visit.
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I guess you'd have to be pretty hard-hearted not to feel emotional at any battlefield site. I get emotional looking at the war graves in my local cemetery - of young men who died training for the RAF during world war 2. War is such a waste of human lives.
It's heartbreaking and infuriating. There's a Korean War memorial in Battery Park I went to with my girls. We walked around it...the pavers say:
REPUBLIC OF KOREA -- DEAD 58,127 WOUNDED 175,743 MISSING 174,244 AUSTRALIA -- DEAD 339 WOUNDED 1,216 MISSING 29 BELGIUM -- DEAD 107 WOUNDED 345 MISSING 5 CANADA -- DEAD 291 WOUNDED 1,072 MISSING 21 COLOMBIA -- DEAD 140 WOUNDED 452 MISSING 65 DENMARK ETHIOPIA -- DEAD 120 WOUNDED 536 FRANCE -- DEAD 288 WOUNDED 818 MISSING 18 GREECE -- DEAD 194 WOUNDED 610 MISSING 2 INDIA ITALY LUXEMBOURG -- DEAD 2 WOUNDED 5 NETHERLANDS -- DEAD 120 WOUNDED 645 MISSING 3 NEW ZEALAND -- DEAD 42 WOUNDED 81 NORWAY -- DEAD 2 PHILIPPINES -- DEAD 92 WOUNDED 299 MISSING 57 SOUTH AFRICA -- DEAD 20 MISSING 16 SWEDEN THAILAND -- DEAD 114 WOUNDED 794 MISSING 5 TURKEY -- DEAD 721 WOUNDED 1,475 MISSING 175 UNITED KINGDOM -- DEAD 909 WOUNDED 3,497 MISSING 141 UNITED STATES OF AMERICA -- DEAD 54,246 WOUNDED 103,248 MISSING 8,177
At the end it say on July 27, 1953, both sides signed an armistice, which ended hostilities and restored the 38th parallel as the dividing line between North and South Korea. So much death and hurt and misery to end up with the status quo.
Of all sad words of mouth or pen, the saddest are these: it might have been. - J G Whittier
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While an armistice was signed hostilities are still going on. I know a marine who in the 80s was sent into N. Korea to do silent kills. I'm sure military personal are still "fighting" over there.
There have recently been commemorations on the Battle of the Somme (1st July 1916 to 18th November 1916) here in Europe - a particularly pointless and bloody slaughter on a massive scale; the numbers of dead amounted to more than 96,500 British and Commonwealth troops, nearly 60,000 French, and 164,000 German troops. And that wasn't the whole 1914-18 war, just one battle.
When we studied this period in History and English class (because of the 'War poets') I would look around the room at all the young lads in the class aged in their mid-teens, the ones I had crushes on, and the goofy class jokers etc, and I'd get really quite upset that it was boys just like these that went like sheep to the slaughter.
That's why I said in a previous post somewhere, that knowledge of history is important, and ignorance of it, and how we got into the situation, politically, religiously and socially that we find ourselves in today, is dangerous.
If anybody has time, this is a wee song that demonstrates the futility of so many wars, and how easily young men seem to be persuaded to volunteer for 'glory'. The last verse is particularly poignant. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EKHt43DDars