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How much English blood does Roger have?

posted 8 years ago by freebird1987
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I know that Reverend Wakefield is English and he's Roger's mother's father's brother. So what I want to know is if Roger's mother is full English or only half English on her father's side.

[–] Krish728 8 years ago

To my best knowledge, Reverend Wakefield is a Scot.

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[–] freebird1987 8 years ago

The Reverend is most certainly English. Haven't you read the books?

[–] Krish728 8 years ago

I read the books. In Book #4, when Roger announces to Brianna that he wanted to use Mackenzie surname from then on, Brianna responds "So, Wakefield isn't Scottish enough for you?" or something like that.. So, I assumed he was Scottish.

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[–] bevaremeg 8 years ago

So, Wakefield isn't Scottish enough for you?" or something like that.. So, I assumed he was Scottish.

Maybe she's being ironic?

[–] Krish728 8 years ago

Maybe.. But Wakefield isn't a Scottish surname?

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[–] freebird1987 8 years ago

Not at all. It's English.

[–] bevaremeg 8 years ago

In the TV series - which I thought was what this board purports to be about, James Fleet plays him with a Scottish accent (quite a good one too).

[–] Dwinn10055 8 years ago

I know that Reverend Wakefield is English and he's Roger's mother's father's brother. So what I want to know is if Roger's mother is full English or only half English on her father's side.

Hi free bird
What makes you think the Reverend is English?

[–] freebird1987 8 years ago

It was said in "A Breath of Snow and Ashes" by Roger.

"I was the odd man out, not only for being the preacher's lad, but for having an English father and an English name."

[–] bunny-39952 8 years ago

The Reverend is Roger's "adoptive" father...and I thought he was a Scot also. Jeremiah MacKenzie, Roger's real father, I thought was a Scot as well. He did fly for the RAF, so maybe some of Roger's young friends mistook him for an Englishman?

[–] freebird1987 8 years ago

Roger's biological father is Scottish. The Reverend is Roger's mother's uncle and he's an Englishman living in Scotland. Couldn't you tell by the Reverend's accent that he's English?

[–] Lyntochter 8 years ago

Well, is accent sounds Scottish to me, you can tell how he says certain words. Educated Scottish maybe, not a strong accent, but definitely Scottish. However, I can't remember from the books whether his origins were English, need to look that up. So that's not a lot of help. 😔

[–] freebird1987 8 years ago

He's played by James Fleet, who's English. It's in the book "A Breath of Snow and Ashes" where it was mentioned that the Reverend is English.

[–] bevaremeg 8 years ago

Well, is accent sounds Scottish to me

Sounded Scottish to my Scottish ears too. There are lots of different kinds of Scottish accents. That's why I was so surprised that it was so good - I'd never seen the actor playing him be anything other than English. But according to IMDB, although James Fleet was born in England, he was raised in Scotland, and studied acting at the same drama school as Sam Heughan (although the establishment has since changed it's name since James was there - it's the same place.)

[–] Lyntochter 8 years ago

[quote]Sounded Scottish to my Scottish ears too[/quote.

Well, I had a Scottish mother and have lived in Scotland now for over 35 years which is why I thought he was Scottish. However, if he was raised in Scotland and went to the same drama school as Sam H. then not surprising.

So a Presbyterian minister from Inverness? Not many Presbyterians in England I think. However if Roger says he's English in a later book, could it just be a lapse of memory from DG? Wouldn't be the first contradictory event in the books.

[–] Nidratime 8 years ago

How long has the Reverend lived in Scotland? Perhaps he's been there so long -- or was even born there -- that he developed a somewhat less obvious Scots' accent.

[–] bunny-39952 8 years ago

Nope...my ear said Scot...not as broad as Rik Rankin's but definitely Scot. Best recollection in the tv show is when he's telling Claire not to take offense at being called a Sassenach. If you say it's in the book, who am I to argue. 🙂

[–] digitaldiva 8 years ago

I agree, bunny-39952 - Fleet portrays Reverend Wakefield with a Scottish accent. He may have been English in the novel (I read it, don't remember), but on television, James Fleet portrays him as Scottish.

[–] freebird1987 8 years ago

His accent may be Scottish. But in "A Breath of Snow and Ashes", Roger said that his adoptive father is English. The Reverend probably developed the accent from having lived in Scotland for a long time.

[–] digitaldiva 8 years ago

Hi freebird1987,

I read the first novel and Reginald Wakefield was a Presbyterian minister from Inverness. It appears the showrunners made the decision to make this character Scottish on the show. There is no backstory for the character and while he might have been English in that novel, he portrayed as a Scot on the show.

[–] bevaremeg 8 years ago

I read the first novel and Reginald Wakefield was a Presbyterian minister from Inverness.

Now I'm getting really confused!! Is that all the first novel says about him? If he comes from Inverness, that implies he's Scottish, doesn't it?

[–] digitaldiva 8 years ago

Hi bevaremeg,

It is confusing. I read the first novel and assumed the character was Scottish. In a later book Roger refers to his adoptive father as English and the character is listed as English on Outlander Wiki; however, there was no mention of the character being English in the first novel and James Fleet portrayed him as Scottish on the show. Since I prefer the show to the novels, and the character is a relatively minor one, he's Scottish to me.

[–] bevaremeg 8 years ago

In a later book Roger refers to his adoptive father as English

Well, I suppose without the exact quote, it's difficult to tell. I'm not saying your wrong, but lots of people on this board seem to read or hear one thing, and then make some sort of leap into assuming it means something else LOL!

I haven't read the books, but somewhere on this thread somebody refers to Clare making a comment about Roger's desire to change his name from Wakefield to Mackenzie - the comment being re. Wakefield "not Scottish enough". I can't remember what else she says at this stage, but I read it as her meaning the NAME 'Wakefield' isn't Scottish enough for him. And true enough, Wakefield is an English name rather than a Scottish. Doesn't mean somebody with an English name IS English, any more than somebody with a Scottish name is Scottish (David Cameron for example)?

Anyway, I don't really see what the relevance of this thread is anyway, so I'll just shut up now.

[–] Krish728 8 years ago

“Why MacKenzie?” Brianna asked, pausing by one display of clan-marked keychains. She fingered one of the silver disks that read Luceo non uro, the Latin motto curved around a depiction of what looked like a volcano. “Didn’t Wakefield sound Scottish enough? Or did you think the people at Oxford wouldn’t like you doing—this?” She waved at the venue around them.

Roger shrugged.

“Partly that. But it’s my family name, as well. Both my parents were killed during the war, and my great-uncle adopted me. He gave me his own name—but I was christened Roger Jeremiah MacKenzie.”

Above is an extract from Book #4. The line I was referring to is in there. So, what do you make of it? Just curious.

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[–] redheid 8 years ago

So, what do you make of it?

I think the search for Jamie, Bree's biological father, stirred up feelings of wanting to get back to his own roots. Both Roger and Bree were raised by fathers who were not their biological fathers-and both were "dead," although in different ways. Roger's adoptive father had also died and there were no other relatives for him to have as family. Being alone made him think more of his own lost parents, dead for more than 20 years. Looking for Jamie made Roger think about his original family and he wanted a tie to them, a connection. Using his birth name could be that tie.

[–] bevaremeg 8 years ago

So, what do you make of it?

I make of it exactly what it says. They are looking at clan marked keyrings, based on clan/family names. I think you would be hard pressed to find one for clan 'Wakefield' ha ha!

Didn’t Wakefield sound Scottish enough?

I can see how some people might take 'Wakefield' in this sentence to mean the person, Rev Wakefield, not sounding Scottish enough. But since they are clearly discussing surnames, it seems obvious (to me at least)in this context, that they are discussing the name 'Wakefield', not the person. As I've already said, 'Wakefield' is not Scottish in origin, as far as I am aware, although I'm sure that in 2016 (or even in 1940s) there are and were people with that name living in Scotland.

Or did you think the people at Oxford wouldn’t like you doing—this?” She waved at the venue around them

I don't know what 'doing this' refers to, because I don't know what the venue is.
Meanings exist within a context.

[–] Krish728 8 years ago

I don't know what 'doing this' refers to, because I don't know what the venue is.
Meanings exist within a context.

Performing as a singer.. He also plays guitar while singing.

Thank you for your response..

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[–] broughps 8 years ago

Or a man that's lived in Scotland for so long that he's picked up a Scots accent.

http://outlander.wikia.com/wiki/Reverend_Reginald_Wakefield

He's English.

[–] digitaldiva 8 years ago

Hi broughps,

I didn't say he wasn't English in the novel. I noted there is no backstory in the television series and he's portrayed as Scottish on the show. There is no, "I've lived in Scotland so long I picked up a Scottish accent."

[–] freebird1987 8 years ago

He's English on the show too. He just speaks with a Scottish accent.

[–] broughps 8 years ago

There's no reason for him not to be English in the show. I doubt they would have changed his nationality.

[–] digitaldiva 8 years ago

Hi broughps,

He's a relatively minor character with no back story on the cable show. His nationality was never mentioned on the show or in the first book. At this point, does it really matter?

[–] broughps 8 years ago

It does as it pertains to the original question asked.

[–] digitaldiva 8 years ago

Hi broughps,

It's been answered, more than once - He's identified in one of the latest novels as English although not by name and English on Outlander Wiki. He's portrayed as Scottish on the cable show.

It still doesn't answer the original question, how much Scottish blood does Roger have. Both of his parents were born in Scotland so I guess he's Scottish.

[–] broughps 8 years ago

Roger is at least 1/4 English, through his mother.

[–] digitaldiva 8 years ago

Okie dokie, broughps.

[–] broughps 8 years ago

From Outlander Wiki

http://outlander.wikia.com/wiki/Marjorie_MacKenzie

They consider her Scots, but if her uncle was English then she's at least half English. So I'd say half and half.

[–] freebird1987 8 years ago

Thank you!

[–] bevaremeg 8 years ago

How much English blood does Roger have?

What's the relevance of this question? Just curious - haven't read the books.

[–] bevaremeg 8 years ago

They consider her Scots, but if her uncle was English then she's at least half English.

Who are 'they'? Sorry to be pedantic, but am I missing something. Is there some other link from outlander.wiki that I'm failing to see? Where does it say that she's Scots or English, or Patagonian for that matter! She's lived in London, just prior to her death, as does her mother.
I lived in London for 25 years, my sister still lives in Buckinghamshire. My sister's husband and son also live in England. All 3 of us are Scottish by birth. Nationality isn't determined by where you live. If Marjorie Wakefield's mother's brother is a 'Presbyterian minister from Inverness', then why can't his sister also be from Inverness, and why might not her daughter have been born in Scotland? During the war, people moved all over the place. You went where you were sent in aid of the war effort.

From what I read on that outlander.wiki page, there is an implication that Roger was probably born in London, since that is where his mother is when he is a baby. That is all that I can see that relates to where people were born.

Incidentally, under the description on the name Marjorie on OUtlander.wiki, they omit the fact that the name was quite prevalent in Scotland at one time (more so, I believe than in England. (My aunt, now a longtime Canadian citizen, is called Marjorie, but she was Scot's born, and only sent to Canada during the war as a refugee after the Clydebank blitz.) King William the Lion of Scotland had a daughter called Marjorie, King Robert Bruce had a mother called Marjorie, and he also gave this name to his daughter. This daughter married Walter, the High Stewart of Scotland, and their son therefore became the first of the Stewart kings. Which is why James V of Scotland is reported to have said, lying on his deathbed in Falkland Palace and informed that his queen had given birth to a daughter (Mary Queen of Scots), 'It came wi' a lass, and it'll gang wi' a lass' - by which he meant the demise of the dynasty. Which begs the question - what's in a name? Is it more or less important than a bloodline? or do neither matter? Yes - the dynastic name of Stewart died out, in terms of the British monarchy, but it is still a direct descendant of those Stewart kings who sits on the throne today, currently the world's longest reigning monarch. Incidentally, according to my wee book of Scottish forenames "The name,[Marjorie] which has enjoyed regular use, is rendered Marsali in Gaelic."

But I'm still bemused as to the point of the original query at the top of this post ? Can somebody enlighten me?

[–] broughps 8 years ago

If you read the wiki posts for both Rev Wakefield and Marjorie you'll see that they list Rev Wakefield as English and Marjorie as Scots. Since the Rev Wakefield is Marjorie's maternal Uncle she'd have to be at least half English since her mother would have been English.

[–] Lyntochter 8 years ago

Not disputing any of the above because I don't know but should we take Wikipedia as gospel? Not acceptable usually as a source in academialand.

[–] bevaremeg 8 years ago

I agree about unreliability of wiki Lyntocher. And only those who have read the books would know the back story to these people.

But assuming the wiki pages can be used as a source for resolving the initial question, they clearly state that both Roger's parents are Scottish, and also that he was born in Kyle of Lochalsh, which, last time I looked was still in Scotland.(I was there about a month ago. So by virtue of his place of birth he's Scottish, and by virtue of his parentage, he's got pure single malt in his blood (cask strength ha ha!)

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[–] Lyntochter 8 years ago

Is it maybe just a cultural thing? I'm generalising here of course but you don't tend to hear someone in the UK refer to themselves as 1/2 or 1/4 a particular nationality.

Well, I must be the exception to the rule, I guess. My mother was Scottish, my father English so I don't consider myself fully either Scottish or English. Perhaps veering on the side of more Scottish because I have lived longer in Scotland than anywhere else. However, because of my accent, most people probably think of me as being English.

I do think of myself as having a mixed heritage rather than nationality I suppose. It may depend on where you are brought up, I think. I moved around a lot until I was in my late thirties, never living anywhere longer than 5 years so maybe that's the reason Not sure what my children think, I must ask them. They are even more mixed, my husband having an English father and an Irish mother.

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[–] broughps 8 years ago

If you ask an American what nationality they are if they're not in America they'll say American. If they're in America they'll give you the nationalities of they're ancestors/parent. This a generality mind you, but I've found it to be true for the most part.

So here in America I say I'm half Swedish and half European mutt. My dad was full Swede, my mom has ancestors from all over Europe. If you asked me while I was in say France, I'd say American.

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[–] broughps 8 years ago

I'm guessing the person who asked the original question was probably American then.

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[–] bunny-39952 8 years ago

This is a pet peeve of mine (stepping on soapbox)... And I believe it started when we Americans started to hyphenate, as in Irish-American, and in my opinion, that's when the melting pot got turned off. American of Irish descent, absolutely, (I'm using Irish because that was the above example), but firstly, American. I've not seen any hyphenating in any other country; and if I'm wrong, please tell me because it will be one more thing about which I can stop being irritated. I'm not a superpatriot, but it's where I was born, it's my country with all its wonders and all its ill, and I'm an American...of Greek and Irish descent, but always American. (Stepping off soapbox, no more ranting.)

[–] broughps 8 years ago

I think that it probably also comes from the fact we're almost all from immigrant stock and people wanting to keep those roots alive. There isn't millennium long lines of people being here, unless you're American Indian.

[–] bunny-39952 8 years ago

I agree with you, and have wonderfully funny memories of my mother trying (unsuccessfully!) to teach me to speak Greek, so I'm all for remembering where you came from. Just wish the hyphenating would stop because I think it highlights our differences. The melting pot was such a good symbol because you tossed in a lot of good different things and ended up with one great thing...it just makes me a little sad, I guess, that we lost that togetherness.

[–] bevaremeg 8 years ago

Hi bunny-39952,

It's a pet peeve of mine too - and I'm European by birth and blood! Is it because Americans think of their country as having so little history, that they feel the need to latch on to the history of other peoples? (I've just discovered that Donald Trump's mother was Scottish, and that he claims pride in his Scottish heritage! I don't think the feeling is much reciprocated!)

But seriously, from what I've observed in my life, people are much more influenced by their environment - cultural, social, political and linguistic - than they are by any notion of blood. And by shared historic experiences. I'm only 50% Scottish by blood, but 100% by education and upbringing. Altho I frequently visit the other nation that lays claim to my heritage, these visits only emphasise the fact that I am not quite on the same wavelength as my 'foreign' cousins.

[–] bunny-39952 8 years ago

Hey there bevaremeg! I don't think it's a latching on so much as a comfort thing, maybe? Keeping things that you know and love close to you when you're in a strange environment. Then again, maybe it is latching...I really don't know, and I wish someone would explain it to me. It used to be one of America's strengths, the blending together of so many different peoples. Now it seems we're just a bunch of ingredients that remain in separate piles...and now I feel like a little old lady saying "in my day, I remember..." 🤔😳😱

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[–] Skipmaus 8 years ago

Isn't this a very American thing to do though, to refer back to any ancestry however distant? I guess it's because it is such a young culture but I really haven't seen this degree of interest in genealogy in any other country. Aren't there even trips offered to Scotland and Ireland to trace one's family?

The lady complaining about the song sounds like a nutter 

GRR...ARGH!

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[–] broughps 8 years ago

I believe Who Do You Think You Are? started in the UK. Celebs searching for their ancestors. So probably not just an American thing.

And while it's really come to the forefront in the last few years as a popular hobby here in the States, some cultures have been recording family genealogies for hundreds of years. Hindus in particular (as per one of the WDYTYA eps).

[–] Skipmaus 8 years ago

That's very interesting, I had no idea. I guess it's fun if there is someone exciting in one's lineage but I don't know anyone where I come from who would have researched their heritage.

GRR...ARGH!

[–] broughps 8 years ago

It's fun whether you have "exciting" people or not (and you never know when you're going to hit that "exciting" person). You become a detective solving a mystery. And until you get back to Noah/Adam you're never finished. lol

I've been doing this for 33 years now and with more stuff being put online I can go back to lines I was stumped on before (or just couldn't get to the records) and extend some of them back even further now. I can get the proof to back up my theories.

If nothing else it's interesting to see where your family members fit into history. Reading the Outlander books I think about who in my family would have been around at the same time and did they go through similar things. Found out I had an ancestor from an earlier Scottish battle (Battle of Dunbar and Worcester 1650) that got him transported over to the States. So while not a Jacobite he suffered the same fate as many of them did.

Also had a friend that I did a genealogy for. She mentioned a rumor of gypsies in the family. Yup there were and not only gypsies but gypsy "royalty".

So you never know what you're going to find.

If you haven't ever watched Who Do You Think You Are (there are three versions UK, Aussie and US - US is the worst) give an ep or two a try. You might be surprised.

I'm sounding a little Frank like aren't I. LOL

[–] Skipmaus 8 years ago

Ha you made that Frank comparison yourself!

Maybe I'm ignorant about this topic but I know my family has been German for at least 8 generations so it's probably as boring as it gets. Except of course for war stories which I have heard some of.

What I do find interesting is finding out the common ancestor between significant others. I would love to find out that one.

I'll check out the show you recommended!

GRR...ARGH!

[–] broughps 8 years ago

Maybe I'm ignorant about this topic but I know my family has been German for at least 8 generations so it's probably as boring as it gets. Except of course for war stories which I have heard some of.

But everyone has a story. Sometimes the quiet stories can actually be the best ones.

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[–] broughps 8 years ago

I love a good mystery and read them a lot, so doing genealogy is my sleuthing. Lol and usually not dangerous.

[–] Lyntochter 8 years ago

I found it very additive and started maybe about ten/thirteen years ago and even now keep turning up something different. Family stories can give a hint but I have found they are usually a little off the mark and maybe a tad exaggerated. I do have a Mackenzie ancester (probably from Fodderty which is not far from Castle Leod). He was a catechist and a tailor! His grand-daughter was heavily involved in the Spiritualist Society and her husband toured America in the 1850s or 1860s where spiritualsim was very popular. Also researched my husband's ancestry and fascinated to discover that his ggg grandfather came from Prussia and was an artistic painter, whatever that was! I think maybe he painted fancy ceilings etc for country houses. Strangely enough my daughter is now a scenic painter. Genes will out.

I do like the mystery/detective element to it but you have to be careful. It's very easy to start following the wrong path. I did for a while, found an Alexander McKenzie who was a sedan chair carrier in Edinburgh in 1800s and created a whole scenario with him until I suddenly found a grand-daughter who didn't fit at all and discovered I had been following the wrong Alexander McKenzie so had to replace the sedan chair carrier with a tailor and catechist. Sorry ... as you can see I am a little addicted!

[–] broughps 8 years ago

I had to wipe out almost a thousand people the other day because a line was wrong (new info came to light). But I'd rather be right than have lots of names. (I do have over 22,000 people in my data base)

What does drive me crazy is when you can prove a line wrong, but people refuse to correct that line in their genealogies. Why do you (generic you) want false info? I don't get it.

[–] Lyntochter 8 years ago

What does drive me crazy is when you can prove a line wrong, but people refuse to correct that line

Yes, I do so agree. I noticed that someone had downloaded a photo I had put on Ancestry so checked out their tree. Totally not related to them so I did message them. Got a very pleasant reply admitting they didn't really know what they were doing but didn't delete the photo - grrr!

22,000 is pretty impressive. I only have about 1000 although not all the information is on Ancestry. I am having a bit of a hiatus from Ancestry just now, but will probably get back to it next year once my studying is finished.

[–] broughps 8 years ago

I have my family tree on Ancestry but I don't have Ancestry. The library has it for free so I use theirs.

[–] laura1-07 8 years ago

(I do have over 22,000 people in my data base)

That's impressive. 

[–] laura1-07 8 years ago

My sister reminded me that my uncle used to say that we had Scottish blood because he reckoned we came south with none other than - Bonnie Prince Charlie LOL! I know the Jacobite army got as far south as Derby before they retreated back to Scotland and their fate at Culloden. I'm not sure where my uncle got this idea from, but I only got as far back is the late 1700s in my research so I suppose he could be right yet.

[–] laura1-07 8 years ago

It's fun whether you have "exciting" people or not (and you never know when you're going to hit that "exciting" person). You become a detective solving a mystery.

That's true, although I have done mine as far back as I can go online and not found anyone 'exciting' yet. I was told by my late uncle that we had some Scottish blood. Unfortunately I didn't find any, just Northern English and what I would expect really in the way of occupations for this region, in that a lot of my male ancestors were either coal miners or worked in the cotton mills and certainly the cotton mills is where my unmarried female ancestors worked.

[–] broughps 8 years ago

Sounds like they were salt of the earth people. Hard working and taking care of their families. That's a nice quiet story.

Have you checked court records to see if you can find anything there? I thought my ancestors were pretty boring until I ran into some court records. Nothing big, but they were about failure to pay their bills. One of them was a doctor, so it got me wondering why couldn't a doctor pay his bills? Was he lousy with money, did he get paid in chickens and jams so had no cash to pay his own bills, was he so compassionate that he wouldn't take money from his poorer patients thus having nothing for himself? See there's a story there someplace.

And knowing you're and RA fan doesn't it get bit exciting when you watch North and South to see how your family ties into that same history?

[–] laura1-07 8 years ago

Sounds like they were salt of the earth people. Hard working and taking care of their families. That's a nice quiet story.

Yes, it sounds like they were good working class people on both sides of my family. And thankfully no-one ended up in the workhouse. Not that I could see anyway.

Have you checked court records to see if you can find anything there?

No, I haven't tried that. Thanks for the advice.

One of them was a doctor, so it got me wondering why couldn't a doctor pay his bills? Was he lousy with money, did he get paid in chickens and jams so had no cash to pay his own bills, was he so compassionate that he wouldn't take money from his poorer patients thus having nothing for himself?

Sounds like he was too compassionate to take money from his poorer patients to me. What an interesting story.

And knowing you're and RA fan doesn't it get bit exciting when you watch North and South to see how your family ties into that same history?

It does.  I often think that if I had lived back then I would have been liked one of the Higgins family. Hopefully I wouldn't have ended up like poor Bessy.

[–] redheid 8 years ago

Since you've been doing this for a long while, broughps, I wonder if you have ever used any of the DNA places to trace your family? I've been thinking of doing it, just to see what they come up with. My family is German on both sides, as far as I know. My grandparents all immigrated to the US, mom's side as children, dad's as adults. So I have reason to think my ancestry is German, but there are surprises. I also have reason to wonder about some things from my dad's side of the family. So, do you have any recommendations about which DNA site would be best to find out one's ethnicity?

[–] broughps 8 years ago

I've never done DNA, but I'm putting a link below that will give you more info. It was written in 2015, but I'm sure the info still applies.

http://www.legalgenealogist.com/2015/02/02/2015-most-bang-for-the-dna-buck/

[–] redheid 8 years ago

Thank you!

[–] freebird1987 8 years ago

Reverend Wakefield is Marjorie's paternal uncle, so it would be her father who's English.

[–] broughps 8 years ago

Marjorie's Wiki page says maternal uncle, but if the books say differently I'll go by the books. But I want to see the quote from the book.

[–] bevaremeg 8 years ago

Marjorie's Wiki page says maternal uncle, but if the books say differently I'll go by the books. But I want to see the quote from the book.

Rev Wakefield unlikely to be Marjorie's maternal uncle, unless her mother(Rev Wakefield's sister) was unmarried, and hence passed on her maiden name, Wakefield, to her daughter Marjorie. If we assume a godly family like that of Rev Wakefield's is unlikely to have offspring out of wedlock, then to have the maiden name Marjorie WAKEFIELD, she would have to be the daughter of Rev Wakefield's brother (ie paternal uncle) and not his sister (maternal uncle.)

I'm rapidly losing the will to live - and my brain just melted and dribbled out of my ear. I'm away to lie down.

[–] broughps 8 years ago

"Godly" family doesn't mean much (it should, but often doesn't), accidents happen.

[–] bevaremeg 8 years ago

"Godly" family doesn't mean much (it should, but often doesn't), accidents happen.

Well, broughps, I guess you'll just have to scour the original texts to see if there is any reference to Rev Wakefield's sister having a child out of wedlock.

I'm inclined to this outlander.wiki is an unreliable source, and paternal uncle is most probable.

[–] Newguise 8 years ago

I'm so impressed with how much reasoning you've put into this.

I love this board, a simple question and we have three pages of replies. You are all brilliant.