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Jamie and his lying to Claire off a line from Daily Lines we got today

posted 8 years ago by srhgary
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Off this line:

Would I lie to ye, Sassenach?

“Yes, you bloody would,” I said, “You do it all the time. But never mind that now.

I know a lot of his lies have come off his secrets but do y'all have a list of all the times he has whether its just off what you've seen in first 2 seasons if you have only watched the show or throughout the book series if you read the books. Not worried about the line or anything just trying to keep up with all the times he has.

[–] broughps 8 years ago

Off the top of my head I can't think of a time when Jamie out and out lies to Claire. (that's not to say he hasn't, I just can't think of any). He's more of a lying by omission kind of guy, if you count that as lying.

Claire also says in one of the books that Jamie is the most honest person she's knows, he's just not very law abiding. To which Jamie is sort of shocked.

I think DG forgets what she's already written quite frequently.

[–] bunny-39952 8 years ago

Agreed. Jamie lies, and admits it. He just doesn't lie to Claire. Jamie's big on justice, which is not necessarily the same as law abiding.

[–] srhgary 8 years ago

True you are right about that.

[–] Krish728 8 years ago

Ohh!! Jamie does lie to Claire.. Only when they are having humorous/light-tone conversations like this.. These lies are made for humorous purposes only. And that's what Claire is referring to, when she says that Jamie lies all the time.

For example: Jamie says that Claire snores/farts in her sleep.. (Which might be the truth or lie.. But Claire believes them to be lies.. All in good humor)

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[–] srhgary 8 years ago

Dealing with your for example. I definitely don't blame Claire for wanting to believe either of those are lies and not truth LOL. I so can't wait for book 9 to come out. I love DG giving us glimpses into moments from the book.

[–] Krish728 8 years ago

I definitely don't blame Claire for wanting to believe either of those are lies and not truth LOL.

Well, NO ONE likes to believe otherwise.

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[–] srhgary 8 years ago

Maybe the lying by omission thing was what that was going with.

[–] laura1-07 8 years ago

Maybe the lying by omission thing was what that was going with.

Biggest one of those I can think of of the top of my head is his marriage to Laoghaire.

[–] FnkyChkn34 8 years ago

And William?

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[–] broughps 8 years ago

So it keeping a secret a lie of omission?

[–] redheid 8 years ago

So it keeping a secret a lie of omission?

I think that would depend on the circumstances. Like you, I can't think of any time Jamie has outright lied to Claire. He just doesn't tell her things at times.
Keeping the secret of William would not be a 'lie' to me. It's a thing that he should tell her, but the fact that Jamie has a son does not really change their relationship. At the time, Jamie thought he would never see William again. Jamie wasn't paying child support. No one in his family knew about him. Jamie and Claire could continue with their lives without ever crossing paths with William. Jamie didn't even want to run into him because he was trying to protect him from knowing the truth about his paternity. I don't consider it as Jamie cheating on Claire because she was gone, and not actually born yet, so the night with Geneva was not during their marriage.
However, Jamie should have told Claire everything when they first had that talk about him not living as a monk during her absence. At that point Jamie should have said that he had two things he needed to tell her. Jamie should have started with William's existence because leaving him was part of his desolation that led to his marriage. Continue with how lonely and bereft he was and then tell about Laoghaire. After removing all breakable objects from the room.
Jamie's marriage to Laoghaire was something he should have told Claire, and much sooner than he did, and not the way she learned it.
I think Claire has more omissions than Jamie. She didn't tell him about Laoghaire and the ill-wish or witch trial, she kept Bree's secret about her pregnancy from Jamie, which helped cause the events that led to the Roger disaster. Did she tell Jamie about speaking to BJR and getting information from him, when she helped Alex? I think Claire keeps far more to herself than Jamie does, but neither of them makes a habit of lying outright. Claire has more than once asked Jamie not to ask her about something, because she doesn't want to tell him and doesn't want to lie to him. Not that she could, as her face shows what she thinks. Also, Jamie will go find out what it is from someone else if he can.
One more thing...it depends on the intention of the omission, and the origin of it. If the intention is to deceive, then it's a lie. If the intention is to protect someone or is something that they don't need to know, then it's not. What is the purpose of not telling? Will telling do more harm than good? Tough call to make sometimes.

[–] laura1-07 8 years ago

Jamie's marriage to Laoghaire was something he should have told Claire, and much sooner than he did, and not the way she learned it.

I'll never understand how he thought she wouldn't find out once they had gone back to Lallybroch.

[–] redheid 8 years ago

I think Jamie was planning to tell her at Lallybroch, but they had just arrived the night before. He didn't have time. Jamie didn't know that his sister would send her daughter to fetch Laoghaire first thing in the morning. Still think that was a nasty thing for Jenny to do, regardless of her own fears.

[–] laura1-07 8 years ago

I think Jamie was planning to tell her at Lallybroch, but they had just arrived the night before.

I think you're right, but he would have been better telling her before they got there. One of the children could easily have said something as soon as they arrived.

[–] bunny-39952 8 years ago

Their relationship has room for secrets, but not lies. I do believe we all have things we know we need to tell, but delay the telling until the time is right.

[–] broughps 8 years ago

Ah but Jamie pointed outs in a later book that that promise was given when they didn't know each other all that well. He says that there shouldn't be secrets between them now.

[–] bunny-39952 8 years ago

Did he? I missed that. Will say he's being a little disingenuous (I love that word!) with regard no secrets. when he goes off to remove the rapist. He's going hunting, but doesn't say what for.

[–] broughps 8 years ago

So did he lie?

[–] bunny-39952 8 years ago

No. He kept a secret.

[–] redheid 8 years ago

Ah but Jamie pointed outs in a later book that that promise was given when they didn't know each other all that well. He says that there shouldn't be secrets between them now.

But as Claire said, they knew each other even less when she returned after a 20 year absence than they did when they married. I think there still should have been room for secrets when she first comes back to Jamie. They were still feeling their way along with each other. It takes a while to discuss what happened to each other in the past 20 years. But Jamie still should have told Claire about Laoghaire!

[–] Andorra 8 years ago

That was my take on them, too. Neither Jamie nor Claire lied to each other, but they didn't tell each other everything or waited for the right moment to tell difficult things.

[–] Tsyroc 8 years ago

I enjoy when he lies to her to get her spun up. It's usually done as a bit of foreplay.

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Usually he's intentionally misremembering things, like not recalling that he apologized for spanking her.

[–] Krish728 8 years ago

Exactly. I enjoy that. Jamie only lies to Claire as a foreplay that leads to some intimate moments..

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[–] Tsyroc 8 years ago

It's pretty amusing that it still works but it might be one of the things that I love about their relationship post Voyager. I'd kind of like to see one scene where Claire manages to pull something along the same lines on Jaime.

To me, once they truly get reacquainted that is the time when they are at their best as a married pair. They have a few mishaps, certainly when 20th century Briana has to deal with having a 18th century father, but that's more a Briana/Jaime thing.