What is he??


A cyborg, a genetically-engineered soldier, a mutant, an experiment gone wrong??

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Experiment went wrong I think. Might have some cyborg *beep* in there too. It's quite ambiguous.

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*MAJOR SPOILERS DISCUSSED BELOW*

BTW, You really should put in the title that you discuss spoilers.

This is my theory. I was at the TIFF premiere. Adam Wingard did mention the word android in the Q&A to describe Dan's acting choices.

The facts:
- We know the Terminator was one of the major inspirations for this movie.
- David's name is in quotes in the final credits.
- It was a private military contractor, who came after David. Not the military police or the FBI. They did not have back-up like a government operated agency would.
- Anna was told that David Collins was killed in action. But we know "David" did actually know Caleb and served with him because of the photo of them together. She was never given another name.
- Lance Reddick's character told Anna that David was programmed.
- The medical experimentation explanation could have been a red herring. Because they would nit immediately trust her with the truth.
- They were obviously trying to keep David a secret. No media alert went out to warn the public.
- David somewhat "turned off" and stared menacingly off into space whenever there wasn't anyone else around.
- He had no ID.
- He would morph into whatever entity the person he was with wanted/needed.
- He had an answer from everything like a computer would.
- Lastly and most importantly, he was shot and stabbed repeatedy but couldn't be killed

So, I think he was a robot. Actually thought it was very clever. The filmmakers purposely left it ambiguous.

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Something that clicked with me too is that Adam Wingard keeps saying in interviews and such that he absolutely loved Prometheus and was obsessed with the android in that.. lets not forget that android was called David.

I think it's cool it's left as a mystery thought, whatever they did to him or whatever he is he's very resilient to damage and also if you notice he doesn't get drunk haha.

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I'm sure Wingaard revealed he was a cyborg in some interview recently. But obiviously they were going for an ambiguous ending so they weren't going to have him get half of his face blown off a-la T-800. Which could have been cool I must admit.

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You all seem to forget that he bled. So no, not a cyborg and to the OP, your "theories" do not constitute spoilers.

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You all seem to forget that he bled. So no, not a cyborg

You evidently have never seen Star Trek... or many other cyborg movies for that matter.

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Cyborgs are flesh and blood with mechanical parts. Though the Terminator bled, I think he qualifies as an android like Data or Daneel Olivaw, meant to pass a human. I think David was a super solider like Captain American.



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I could be wrong and perhaps I am thinking too much into it, but I thought that maybe he didn't really know Caleb. I made sure to really look the second time I saw it, but in the photo with "David" and Caleb, you can't really make out "David". He certainly resembles him, but the photo was not clear by any means. There were all those references to plastic facial surgery or maybe the military contractors made him to resemble a soldier who died in war if he was indeed some futuristic android.

Seemed kind of like some wolverine experiment. Would be too farfetched that they could create an android with fully functioning working private parts.

One other interesting note though is he NEVER seemed to get even buzzed when drinking. I saw about 4-5 beer bottles by him alone when he was drinking with the Dad in the beginning. He didn't even seemed phased when he took a huge hit from the blunt at the party.

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Universal Soldiers are not cyborgs, they are reanimated corpses that need constant cooling, as they overheat.

I'd say that David is along the same lines as that.

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The leg wound was actually what bothered me. He gets shot and stabbed multiple times and it doesn't have an effect. But that one leg wound really f_ed up his walk and he seemed to have some Problems with it. What exactly caused it? Was it one of the bullets or did he cut himself when he jumped through the window?

What were the bullets / the window made of? Is that his only weakness? ;)


Personally, I think the movie could have done with just a little bit more exposition regarding the "experiment". They didn't have to spell everything out but I was hoping for a bit more information there.

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He was only shot in the leg, from what I understand. And then later in the shoulder by the daughter. He was shot AT multiple times, but I don't think he was hit except for that time in the leg (and shoulder), and we do know that he can bleed which suggests he isn't 100% robot, and he did go through the effort of tying up that leg wound. Getting stabbed and that shot to the shoulder definitely seemed to throw him, but obviously not enough since we see him limp off at the end. I don't think the bullets were made of anything special, and while he plays dead in front of the kids we don't really see him long enough to get an idea of how those other wounds might have affected him.

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It's also interesting to note a couple of other things:

- He "sure puts his liquor away" and seemingly doesn't get drunk
- And also he mentions he doesn't really sleep or need too

Cyborg is possible, however he does bleed and develops a limp. I'd err on genetically enhanced. Especially to survive the massive knife wound.

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Cyborg is possible, however he does bleed and develops a limp. I'd err on genetically enhanced. Especially to survive the massive knife wound.


A cyborg can be a human with mechanical body parts to help him function to an elite level. It doesn't mean some other areas of his body can't be hurt though. The brain can still function on emotions as well. So IMO, this guy was a cyborg type individual who went through some mental experimentation to boot. Perhaps his heart was mechanical and he had blood reserves stored in his body elsewhere when needed.

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Thank you for sharing such information.

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How is it a spoiler if no one even can answer the question?

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If he knew Caleb, and Caleb was human, why would he be a robot? Supposedly they were in the same program and it's implied from the photo that "David" was formerly a soldier and buddies with the guys in the group. This program seems to have taken human subjects (like Caleb and the buddies) and modified them with programming, whether genetic or otherwise...so I don't think David is a robot., but rather part of that group of former soldiers. There are other clues that he's human...like when he's on the phone with the plastic surgeon outside and no one else is around...he got very emotionally heated and upset, pretty strange if he's a robot. I could see him being upset in front of other people to try and prove he's human, but no one else was around during that phone conversation.

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I agree with you, Farrellrose. He doesn't seem to be a robot in the truest sense a la the Terminator. Plus, from what I've gotten from the posts around here, it seems like they messed with him on a mental/psychological level, not a physical one--probably in the same vein as the MK-ULTRA program that the CIA had apparently engaged in. Then again, we can never be too sure.

Re: your point of him being emotionally upset...maybe that's how advanced the technology is (if he's indeed a robot). I mean, look at the Cylons (sorry, couldn't resist a BSG reference ). Didn't the director himself say that David is a cyborg or something? I could've sworn I'd read it somewhere on these boards...

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I dont think you can genetically modify an organism directly, only its generation, meaning, its subsequent offspring through alteration of its dna fur future generations, not unlike manipulation of hybrid beings.

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This is not true. Genetic modification of an organism is not only possible but it's been done countless times. A. First of all a lot of viruses permanently genetically modify your DNA. B. There is a decent amount of medication being researched that utilizes viruses (some of which is already in use) to modify a person's DNA for a desired effect. C. The Olympic Health Committee is already underway in making as many tests as possible for catching gene doping; a performance enhancing drug that modifies your DNA. For example if instead of taking drugs that increase your red blood cell count or the amount of oxygen in them for endurance sports, a drug changes your DNA to permanently produce more red blood cells.

Having said all that, and putting all the phrasing and hints of the movie together. I was say that this is very similar to the last Bourne movie in terms of who or what he is. A performance enhanced, brainwashed soldier

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----MAJOR SPOILERS BELOW----

Also supports cyborg/robot/manbot theory (sorry if bad english):

- Intentionally runs right into the fathers car. Could have tried to killed the father in a much safer way. Why do such a reckless move if he doesn't know he's next to indestructible? Could have just blocked the road and the father would have stopped.
- Says "cash is easy to get". Cyborg could make a machine to dispense cash. Sure he could have just killed some people to get it, given he's a killer psycho, but still supports cyborg theory.
- Also walks like a Terminator when wounded.
- When the detective asks the mother he says "Did 'David' resemble this man?", or something like that. As if he is not the real David, but a 'project' that looks like David.

I think he's supposed to be part human, part robot. He's still got some human in him. Being upset in a phone call to the doctor for example. Also he's making a 'sorry it has to be like this' face when throwing hand grenades in the restaurant. Also being nice in general to the family, in *beep* up psychokiller way, until he kills some of them, but still nice. Read some other comment here that the kid didn't know how to stab etc. and 'David' is just genetically engineered. Hey, the kid stabbed him right in the heart for Gods sake, whole shank right in, and before that a good thorough stab in the back. Don't have to be a brain surgeon to kill someone with a knife you know. If he's only genetically engineered he wouldn't have survived that, much less be able to knock out a fireman and switch clothes and walk out of there.

Great movie with so much feeling in the references to 70s/80s movies of this kind. I saw this with zero expectation and was just blown away. A gem. I hope they make a sequel.

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- Says "cash is easy to get". Cyborg could make a machine to dispense cash. Sure he could have just killed some people to get it, given he's a killer psycho, but still supports cyborg theory.


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David also mentioned that he doesn't sleep.

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All they said, that I recall, is that they had done some neurological experimentation on him. Doesn't mean he was a cyborg, a robot, or anything of the kind. Could be they gave him experimental drugs. Could be they operated. They don't say.

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Adam Wingard on 'The Guest' >>

"So I called Simon up and pitched him this fantastical story. It was basically taking the structure of Halloween into an action movie. Combining it with “Terminator” so instead of Michael Myers you have a cyborg. We have a Doctor Loomis character, which is basically Lance Riddick in the movie but I pitched Simon that and that really solidified our collaboration because he said, “I have this script idea that I was working on a couple of years ago that’s about this soldier that ends up coming to this family and he ends up living with them,” so it was a drama revenge thing. And he was like, “The script wasn’t working so I just stopped but you know what if we took that premise and combine it with this conceptual idea you have, I think it could work.” And he said, “We’ll just call it “The Guest”. That was it. Within 20 seconds he had the whole thing figured out."

So although it is never explicitly mentioned or even alluded to (other than the fact that David is apparently dead), it seems as though he is a robot. Or this is supposed to be heavily implied via genre.

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Another interesting Terminator parallel that just occurred to me: When David "dies" at the end, he gives Luke a "thumbs up" à la Arnold at the end of T2.

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I think he was a genetically-engineered soldier. Probably ex-military who joined a private contractor and underwent genetic and psychological up grading.

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No robot would even try to do tourniquet on his injured leg , the girl shot him in his arm and the boy didn't even know how to stab. I think he was more of an experiment ala Jason Bourne , highly skilled in combat and trained to resist serious damage.

Great movie BTW.

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That's the closest thing to accuracy I've read in this thread. It also helps to have a knowledge of Government Tactics when you watch this film.

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"It also helps to have a knowledge of Government Tactics when you watch this film."

Seriously? That is the dumbest hing I've read all week. Good job.

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No robot would even try to do tourniquet on his injured leg , the girl shot him in his arm and the boy didn't even know how to stab. I think he was more of an experiment ala Jason Bourne , highly skilled in combat and trained to resist serious damage.


That's the closest thing to accuracy I've read in this thread. It also helps to have a knowledge of Government Tactics when you watch this film.


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Clearly it was the brain-washed post-cosmetic surgery Caleb who returned home to help his family, but once compromised, his programming kicked in and he started cleaning up. When he said "Caleb would understand" it means in that state he was no longer being Caleb.

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Wasn't both him and Caleb in the same photograph? I think they were just part of the same program. The rest of em probably died in the experiment, this dude turned psycho instead. Or he took his self preservation programming a little too far.

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Finally something that makes sense to me. I kept wondering why this guy would have gone to these folks house as he had gone to a lot of trouble changing appearance, teeth, fingerprints. It seems once he had done this and created a new identity, he would have just moved someplace far away and never be found. By going to the family they would not surprisingly be suspicious and his chances of being found were created.

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I thought the same thing. If "David" and Caleb were part of the same experiment and "David" clearly can't be killed (at least not easily), then it's reasonable to assume that Caleb also couldn't be easily killed. Combined with the plastic surgeon reference and Luke's suggestion that this unscrupulous doctor could change faces and finger prints, it seems reasonable to assume Caleb and "David" are the same person. Or at least Caleb turned into "David" after the experiment. "David" borrowed a familiar face and identity for his transformation. I can't come up with another compelling reason why "David" would go visit this family, in particular.

Or Caleb wasn't part of the experiment, "David" is a liar and none of this matters. Hah.

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^This.

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How did David knew Caleb or the Petersons?

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He said he was with Caleb in Afghanistan so by this came to see his folks after he "died".

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I was never really convinced he did know Caleb. Did we actually hear any insight into their relationship at all, something that would prove they knew each other, or had talked about his family? The only info he appeared to give the family was that Caleb loved them - wow, thanks for calling by David, that was really usefu, we'd never have guessed...

That said, if he didn't know Caleb, not sure why he would have chosen to visit them. But he did seem to ingratiate himself with the tiniest amount of information...

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IMO. Caleb and david underwent the so called military experimentation. Caleb died and asked David to look after his family.David survived..got sicked and tired of the experiment and faked his death (the military guy said the experiment unit was burned down due to oxygen tank explosion) asked a non-licensed surgeon to operate on him and changed his identity and went to the Pearson residence to accomplish his promise to Caleb. as you can see, he was somehow showing care to the family especially to Luke until things got messed up.

he is still a human but with improved stamina, strength and intelligence... he was fast, cautious and smart. he was like Bucky in Capt. America. :D an experiment gone wrong

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I agree with those who say it was genetic experimentation. This film was stuffed full of nods and references to great films from the 80s, the music, the bad guy ridiculously coming back at the end after suffering grave wounds, the way the film goes full on *beep* crazy when the government suits turn up. The genetic experiment angle for me felt like a nod to Universal Solider.

David and Caleb were in the unit that got experimented on. I believe David truly was friends with Caleb, and that part of him still existed even after the experiments. This is similar in Universal Solider how Dolph Lundgren's character still holds a rivalry with Van Damme's character, even though the experiments aimed to remove all traces of their personalities. I believe David's programming went "wrong" after Caleb's death, and so he went AWOL and went to protect Caleb's family. However, his programming once again kicked in when he was exposed, and so he went on a (highly entertaining) killing spree in order to protect the government program. He was protecting Caleb's family in a similar way, it was almost just like he'd forgotten his priority to the military and had confused the family as his mission objective.

It's a shame that some people have missed the point of this movie. It's meant to invoke the feeling of cheesy action films from the 80s and 90s, and people seem to rib it for being silly and over the top. Have these people never seen an Arnold Schwarzenegger movie?!

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Agree completely with your last paragraph. I truly enjoy and miss those "cheesy" 80s and 90s action movies. There's something about them that many movies today miss.
This movie however felt like it could have been made 25 years ago. It had an awesome feel to it and I'm not just talking about the music and the setting but it's the entire atmosphere.

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Agreed, it's an 80s movie made in 2014. It's awesome!

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