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Epic Cinematography. Great Villain. Cheesy Music.


It's like Once Upon A Time In The Old West with an Enrico Morricone score. Occasionally it goes over the top and feels like Tarentino. But when it doesn't, it's absolutely fabulous.

The sets, the scenery are all great. And the acting of some of the leads (especially the villain) are amazing. The costumes are some of the coolest I've seen. It may seem like a small thing, but the colours and fabrics of most of the costumes really make one -feel- like you're in that time.

The director clearly was a John Ford, Sergio Leone fan. He throws in little bits of 'humour' that are jarring for me as a westerner but seem common in Korean movies. And I think some of the music is just cheesy. The guitar themes are straight out of spaghetti westerns.

I was also going to mention that although it has the martial arts scenes that seem requisite in these things (mostly) the director restrains himself from over the top wire work and other such cliches. (OTOH, it could be argued that this entire genre is a cliche, but what the hey.)

But if you like westerns and great visuals, this is the movie for you.

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Agree 100%. Even the music's 'cheesy' points are easily forgiven because the homage is so fantastic. Save those few moments, the score as a whole is dynamic and entertaining in it's own right - like the character intro battles at the wake in the 1st act!

Hard to believe this is the same Jung-woo Ha we see in The Berlin File, Nameless Gangster and The Yellow Sea. He definitely shows even more range in this martial arts period piece.

Sorry, but Korean cinema is taking a front seat here. And The Admiral, it's highest grossing film to date, has yet to be released! I like how Korean Cinema is taking a stab at the best World Cinema has to offer. Please compare this to The Kenshin sequels released this year in Japan and let's see how they compare!

This film shows you can have a long action film with well written story and believable characters WITH outstanding action. This film will not disappoint.

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Korean Cinema has been taking a stab at being the best World Cinema has to offer for a while now. They're definitely bold, experimental and daring. I think I could name a few things in this mainstream-ish film that would be considered as taboo, scenes which would have otherwise been omitted or merely hinted at. What's what too, is that the treatment in this film was not to make a big grandiose deal about those particular scenes (I'm not going to name them for spoiler reasons).

It's less than perfect, but then again, what film is there that is? The other action epic from Korea that is set as a historical piece, the one I still remember pretty well, is The Arrow. That was enjoyable. I've been looking for similar films (not the same) like it and Kundo. Do you know of any?

Those films you mentioned btw, are they good? I've seen a few Korean films (from each genre/ genre blend) but I'm spoilt for choices, can't make up my mind what to see. I've seen Memories of a Murder, that was good. But, right now, I'm in the mood where the story blends well with the action sequences and are set in the past, like in The Arrow and Kundo. Could you recommend me any?

BTW: Have you seen the Kenshin films yet? I'm waiting for those right now. I really enjoyed the first film. It was a decent adaptation of the manga and anime; maybe, far from even decent. All I know is that I enjoyed it and that Takeru Sato fit the part real well (plus he acted the part).

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What's what too, is that the treatment in this film was not to make a big grandiose deal about those particular scenes (I'm not going to name them for spoiler reasons).


I know exactly what you mean. The poster art shows the meat cleaver wielding Dolmuchi. But this is more than just a lone warrior film. It's an understatement as the film is just as full of colorful characters with well written subplots on both sides of the story.

Those films you mentioned btw, are they good? I've seen a few Korean films (from each genre/ genre blend) but I'm spoilt for choices, can't make up my mind what to see. I've seen Memories of a Murder, that was good.


Yes they are, but different genres - Berlin is a modern spy thriler well done, Gangster is just what you expect and and Sea is heavy on the drama and thriller. And now that you mention it, they are all on the long runtime side 2/2 1/2 hrs!! I'll check out Memories, thanks for recommending. There are quite a few horror/thriller genres they do quite well with. But the content is so heavy I can only take those abit at a time lol.

But, right now, I'm in the mood where the story blends well with the action sequences and are set in the past, like in The Arrow and Kundo. Could you recommend me any?


If you like the period pieces, I recommend Blades of Blood (2010) http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1730695/?ref_=fn_al_tt_1. Korea took a stab at the retelling of the samurai from Korea's perspective with alot of history as well, proving samurai weren't only in Japan. Another one that goes without saying is Musa (the Warrior) from 2001 http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0275083/?ref_=fn_al_tt_1. Way of the Arrow IS one of the best hands down. All of these listed have love stories which is lacking in Kundo, btw.


Agreed, the 1st Kenshin film was terrific for many reasons - whether you are a fan of the anime/manga or not. Haven't seen the sequels yet, but one part of the arc I am interested in comparing with Kundo is the battle at Shengetsu village, which from the trailers, have the same look and feel from several scenes in Kundo. Both films seem to have been influenced by Takashi's 13 Assassins, and with good reason.

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*Cringe* Ah, I actually wrote you back a similar lengthy reply but accidentally closed off the tab when I referred back to another open one. Silly me. *Sigh*
I will now try to surmise what I did write without growing frustrated. Sorry, my fault.


It's an understatement as the film is just as full of colorful characters with well written subplots on both sides of the story.

I read a few Film Blogs or just Blogs reviewing the film that Kundo did not have any colourful characters.

Well, I originally begged to differ in my original reply and I will beg to differ again. Kundo, for the length it has, actually did splendid in terms of highlighting specific (principal) characters' traits and personalities in the 2+ hours it had. True, that it had to rely on building first some stereotypes before re-shaping these to formulate individualism. But, the end result was successful for Kundo.

Example. I sympathized a lot with Jo-yoon. The film's main antagonist. Sure, for the most middle part of the film he was presented as indifferent and unfeeling. Brutal whenever necessary.
But the film established enough in the beginning and towards the end that this character had more than a malicious stroke in his body. At some point, you actually saw something humane in him.
True that he needed to be established first as an unwanted, unloved and outside-his-favour lovechild - this was so that people with short attention spans can relate or understand him a little bit from the get-go. But as the film progresses, you see glimpses of the make-up of his personality. At least it is understood that his motivation is neither Greed nor Power. It was even beyond patriarchal acceptance. At the most, he needed that. But really, he just needed to re-assert his presence in any way possible for him to insert his identity. Hence the reason why Dochi couldn't cut off his hair and why he remarked on Jo-yoon's dead body that he should at least try to now attain his 'buddhahood'. Plus, brutal and violent as Jo-yoon was, he was unrelenting and never backed-off a fight. Dochi knew he was no coward - and being stabbed in the back was kind of a like a coward's way to kill him. Dochi knew. Jo-yoon knew. But it was justice outside the fight. It was for the people and the people re-asserting themselves.

Honestly, I thought some of the principal characters quite intricate.

Personally, I just think it's become a common practice in the West to include copious amount of flash-backs to insert a better view or in-depth explanation of a character. Viewers all want to know the whys, hows, whats, and whens of characters. Most of these kinds of dealings become tedious and redundant.
Unless it has any impact on the plot's current time, I say keep it out or keep it to a minimum. Besides, there's plenty of examples of skilled directors from each sides of the hemisphere that doesn't resort to this kind of character exposition. They're the creative kinds.

THANK YOU SO MUCH for adding to the current list of recommendations. I did, however, tried to watch the movies you mentioned that has Jung-woo Ha. Honestly, I don't know why or where it began but I'm really into Period-Action Korean films lately. Set in the past, fast-paced, brutal, interestingly executed and has intriguing, in the least, colourful characters - I'm there. I'm a sucker for these kinds of Kmovies right now. Can't tell you where it started.

Please let me know if you liked Memories. It's not action-packed or fast-paced. But it is very intense. At least I was left feeling discomforted and disturbed by it in the end.
Btw, I re-edited my original post but forgot to re-edit one of the films I mentioned. The Arrow is actually The War of the Arrows. I saw that sometime on Netflix and has since stuck with me. It's very good. The Way of the Arrow, is that the one and the same film as The War of the Arrows? You know how it is with translating Kmovie titles into english.

If you are looking for other Kmovie however. I'd recommend you The Face Reader. It's a period piece. Not action-packed. But it is gory and intense nonetheless.
If you are impressed with Kang Dong-won's turn as Jo-yoon in Kundo. You might like to see Secret Reunion or Woochi: The Taoist Priest. (I'm a self-professed big fan of KDW - seen nearly all his films/movies. This guy blends a good resume of Mainstream and Independent films. Plus, he isn't your typical pretty-boy actor. He's taken on other roles besides Kundo that makes him come across as malevolent and vicious. Real talented, which, he wasn't at first if you saw his earlier works.)

I'm a big fan of the anime and manga of Rurouni Kenshin. Very pleased and happy that they picked Takeru Sato to play him as he undeniably brought the role to life and he brought pride in the character. I grew up with the anime where I once used to live so anxiety gone, most Kenshin fans, that includes me, where very happy with the first film.
Seems like you also like Taskeshi Miike. I'd recommend his Crows Zero, Crows Zero 2 and Ace Attorney to see. Takeshi is very fond of making live-action movies out of his favourite games, manga and anime. And he's very good at it. I'm actually looking forward to getting the chance to see The Mole Song: Undercover Agent Reiji. Another live-action. Actually, if you look enough, there is plenty of good live-actions from Japan; whether it be for the big screens or for the TV. Seeing a few of these restored the faith that live-action adaptations actually works.

I can't remember what other movies I originally included in my original post but these are the ones that stuck to my mind.

I am also looking forward to the chance to actually view the Kenshin 2 and 3 movie. What particular scenes in Kundo did you feel seem similar in the Shengetsu village sequence?

Also, about the romance, or lack thereof, in Kundo. I actually preferred it. Having seen also a fair few of, say, for example, Chinese period-fantasy-action-romantic- movies, I say it's nice to have a break. Some of those were real cheesy. If I were to state an example of a good romance handled in such a film, I'd say the not-period-piece action-heist Korean movie, The Thieves.

But, as a girl, if I wanted to go full out on the romance, there are other movies besides that focuses solely on that. For example Bokura ga Ita or My Sassy Girl.

Hope this post makes sense. I'm kind of in a rush now so this will be less edited than the one now lost in the ether.

Btw. Thank you again :) If you got anymore that you remember, please do not hesitate to recommend more. Although I am Asian, I'm not Korean. So all my information is gathered online ^^

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Kang Dong-Won is the name of the actor who plays the villain.

I just saw the movie after a long wait. It was a good pay off. It wasn't flawless but I wasn't bored at all. The fight sequences, particularly the end, was brilliant. Dong-Won looks so effortless as he slashes and spins his sword around. It looked like he had it down to second nature.

I've seen nearly all his films and since he debut, there's a marked progress in his acting. He ain't just a pretty face.

The movie posters and the aforementioned actor was what got me interested before, and I've been waiting for this film for a while now. The other principal actor Jung-woo Ha was good as Dochi (and I really like the main poster with him on it - interesting face).

It's good film that pays homage to styles of Sergio Leone. And I'm glad they restrained themselves over the use of excessive wire work. It's actually nice to see things 'grounded' for a change, if you know what I mean? Plus, I thought it was cool that all the actors, bar one, looked really grime and dirty. I hate it when they look like they bathed everyday (with sophisticated baths equipped with shampoos, etc. Then a stylist waiting in the wing after), in these types of films/ genres. Kind of spoils the authenticity they are going for.

The only thing I had against the film was when Dochi's family and home got burnt to the ground. I'm mildly surprised there isn't much scarring on him, and his mother and sister doesn't looked so changed after. But then again, I've never burnt a human body before, and I don't know how hot the inferno has to be to turn anything into crisp. Of course, the burns itself aren't the reasons his family members died. I'm just fretting over minor details in production....

Otherwise, good film. Enjoyed it despite it being 2+ hours long.

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If you liked him as a vilain, be sure to watch Haunters. He's amazing, it's actually the first movie of him that i watched, then i went straight to Woochi and Kundo.

I don't know why but i prefer him as a vilain, might be his smirk.

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