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Will this film be on the victim's side?


I've read so many articles demonstrating pity for the accused, including in the UK's own 'Guardian', and a lot of very xenophobic trash knocking the Italian justice system but very little demonstrating any sympathy for the victim, Meredith Kercher, and her family. Could it be because the victim was British and from Surrey? Hopefully this film will readdress the balance.

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There's always been a hell of a lot of sympathy for Kercher, since she was the innocent victim who was killed by a burglar who tried to assault her. Guede (the real killer) was the one who lied and accused Knox and Sollecito of committing the murder, when all the actual physical evidence front he case pointed to him as the murderer---he's the one who's still locked up,thank goodness.

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No, Knox's supporters have subjected Meredith and her family to horrendous attacks online of which plenty of screenshots exist.
Guede was convicted on less samples of physical evidence than Knox, wrt actual DNA.

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Being on the victim's side is not the opposite of being on the falsely accused's side. You don't have to be "anti meredith" to realize how appalling Amanda Knox's conviction was.

I would go so far as to say that standing by that false conviction is being "anti Meredith," as well. Because as long as the falsely accused remains criminalized in the minds of anyone, Meredith's murder goes unavenged.

It seems most people don't really want to be on Meredith's side, they just want to see a pretty girl go down for it so they can lick their lips and bathe in schadenfreude. Anyone who cares about this victim will want to see the true killer paying for it. All the self-righteous ignorant masses who cry out against anything pro-Amanda will have no sympathy from me or anyone with an education. You are not a victim's right advocate, you are a torch-carrying mob member.



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How was her conviction "appalling", considering she was convicted at her trial and appeal on more evidence than Scott Peterson and serial killer Rose West? Be specific with your answers please.

To clarify, agreeing with the trial and appeal verdict is "anti Meredith"? I don't think so.

No, it's just that anyone who reads the primary sources and sentencing reports see the overwhelming evidence that was against all three. Those that support Knox simply wish people to believe that The Black Guy Did It.

How am I a mob member by agreeing with her trial and appeal's verdict? All I'm seeing from you is the same zero substance hyperbole the rest of he4r groupies bleat. Same irrelevant noise you lot have babbled for years, when you weren't attacking Meredith and her family.


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It's a lot easier to believe some famously corrupt Italian authorities (read about their "Monster of Florence" investigation some time) forced a confession out of some scared kids after a grueling interview session (which is happened many times in America as well) and then did CYA to make them "conspirators" after evidence came out of who the real killer was, then it is to believe that a couple who had barely met EACH OTHER teamed up with a black guy they had just met that day to sexually murder the girl's roommate (there just are not that many Rosemary Wests out there). I don't think that makes me a "Knox groupie", just a reasonable person.

And if some "Knox groupies" have been insensitive to the victim, that has nothing to do with me or most people who simply look at the evidence and see that it just makes no sense that this girl is guilty of what they say. As the other posters said, sympathy for the victim and believing a alleged perpetrator has been falsely accused are not mutually exclusive. You don't get justice for ANY victim by finding the nearest person around and pinning the crime on them regardless of whether or not they're guilty or not. Ironically, the obvious killer (and most likely the ONLY killer) will probably get out earlier because these clowns made a deal with him to implicate the other two.

And if you think this is "xenophobic", read about the West Memphis Three or the Central Park jogger case. False confessions, craven authorities keeping innocent people imprisoned to cover their own asses, and a media stirring up moral hysteria happens in ALL countries. This has happened so many times in AMERICA, that Americans have become highly suspicious of it. It's not just knee-jerk support for an American in a foreign country.

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No it doesn't make you a reasonable person as you're allowing an unclear motive and what you personally consider to be an unlikely scenario to trump the overwhelming evidence of their involvement which isn't reasonable at all whatsoever in the slightest. People who don't know each other well have often committed murder. This is a non point from you and you're engaging in contortionist logic and wishful thinking and are expecting that to trump evidence against a defendant. That's not how reality works.

I'm very familiar with the Monster of Florence case. I stand by the cops contention with regards to that case, after studying it. You're probably going by Douglas Preston and Mario Spezi's book, "The Monster of Florence: A True (lol) story. That book is an exercise in literary fraud and it was found to be slanderous and defammatory in civil court this year, with Mario Spezi having to pay Detective Michele Giuttari legal costs and damages. Very recently, as in just the other day, another court found that Giuttari was unfairly denied a promotion and that his work on the Monster of Florence case was "exemplary". You're speaking from a position of ignorance, at best and you're not knowledgeable on the Monster of Florence.

No. "Insensitive" doesn't cut it. See, posting autopsy pictures (which only Knox had access to and which haven't been made public, so one wonders how Knox's supporters got access to them) of Meredith Kercher online, posting rotting corpses from horror films to signify Meredith and how she "Isn't beautiful now, this is how she looks", stalking the Kercher family on twitter and elsewhere, referring to Meredith's dad as "a dirty old man", taunting the Kercher family over their mixed heritage, engaging in racism and anti Semitism and xenophobia goes way beyond mere insensitivity.
I'm not saying that you personally engaged in such immoral and utterly callous behaviour. Her hard core supporters have. Well intentioned people concerned about what they feel is a genuine miscarriage of justice simply don't engage in such despicable behaviour or such consistent and rampant dishonesty as her fans have. Those who get a vicarious thrill out of the crime otoh, do.
Again, you're speaking from a position of ignorance at best.

Why is Guede "most likely the ONLY killer"? Explain your reasoning here please. The Supreme court have decreed that Guede did not act alone. They're simply saying he had other accomplices who weren't Knox or Sollecito and who left not a trace of themselves at the crime scene and who felt comfortable staying in an unknown house to do a clean up while Guede was at Domus nightclub, as burglars tend to do. Maybe to you that's what a "reasonable person" would think, but not to anyone with half a brain who's familiar with this case.
SIX courts have decreed that Meredith was murdered by multiple attackers. Including the Supreme Court, twice. If you disagree then again explain why. I take it you'll also think that Guede's conviction and Knox & Sollecito's acquittals are unsound due to this and that Guede should now get a retrial or at least a fresh appeal? This is why it's very frustrating talking to Knox supporters btw. They seem to think their bald assertions and wishful thinking supersedes facts established by multiple courts of law, evidence be damned. They don't.

Yeah I think the WM3 are guilty as sin. Manipulative psychopaths must clap (or turn cartwheels, you might say) when they see well intentioned but gullible people like you willing to swallow their bs without question. I'm not discussing the WM3 here, but will on the WM3 board if you wish.

Yes it is just knee jerk support combined with those who like what Knox did. Hence the contortionist pretzel logic such as you showed at the start of your post. Luckily there's plenty of Americans out there who are familiar with the case and who aren't fooled by Knox at all and know she's guilty as hell.
You need to read the primary sources and sentencing reports, not the bs you've clearly read from pro Knox websites and fawning media reports.
Both of these losers are guilty as sin just like the other low life they caught. One low life just happened to be a third world immigrant (like the innocent third world immigrant Knox falsely accused of rape and murder and had sent to prison for two weeks, remember him?) with no money or privilege or connections, hence the reason he didn't get away with it like the other two did.
Again, you're woefully ignorant regarding this case, the Monster of Florence case and none of your arguments have any substance to them in an objective sense, sorry.
The fact that Knox's supporters (like WM3 supporters actually) consistently moot non arguments and engage in smoke and mirrors tactics as well as thoroughly bizarre reasoning and outright lying- again I'm not saying you've lied but am speaking of her fan club in general- says it all about the strength of their argument for factual innocence.
Neither Amanda Knox nor Raffaele Sollecito are fooling anyone who has impartially and objectively studied this case via the primary sources and sentencing reports. They got away with murder.
This is a case of Innocence Fraud and unfortunately well intentioned but unfortunately naive people such as yourself empower such offenders. Hopefully they won't kill again (and Sollecito is particularly dangerous imo btw). Time will tell.

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