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Up. How Pixar lost its Soul.


In this groundbreaking piece I, FootOfDavros, speculate right here right now (no link to a YouTube video / third party article) that Up was the movie which saw Pixar lose it's mojo.

In its early anthropomorphic efforts, Pixar captured not only children's attention but adult hearts too by having it's cute animated characters face very human problems and conquer them in a moralistically pleasing manner, e.g. think Lighting McQueen pulling up before the finish line to go back and help the King finish.

Up was a beautiful film. But perhaps should have been a one off jump into the realm of humans. By repeating this time and time again the schmaltz is hard to re-capture. And even if they do manage to partially bottle it, to extent you realise that you've already tasted the beverage. It can never taste as sweet again.

When it gets to the point that even my young offspring FootOfDavros Jnr complains that "This film is boring, they're all just the same now" (prodding revealed they meant Coco / Inside Out) then you know something's gone wrong.

The schmaltziness is part of Pixar's DNA but so was making fun stories kids loved as well.

Don't get me wrong, Soul isn't a bad film. In fact I thought it was pretty good. However it seemed pretty clear it had lost it's way in the second half and didn't really know how to reach its own final destination.

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Honestly, Pixar needs to reconsider its direction. Its films started out as very funny, with an underlying sentimentality pulling at the heartstrings between laughs, but the humor has pretty much bled out of the things and they're all sentiment now. And I do mean "sentiment", because they seem to think they're doing something profound with sticky messes like "Soul" and "Inside Out", but it's just heaping piles of sentimentality.

At least movies like "Coco" have spectacular visuals and songs to relieve the stickiness, but "Soul" didn't look that great, and while the music was great... there was so little of it! Mostly it was just Joe yammering at 22, and who the hell wants to see more of 22.

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What bullshit!

Pixar are BETTER for featuring humans, and the infinite possibilities that that offers.

You can only go so far with toys, bugs, monsters and (shudders) cars.

I'd say ALL of the human Pixar movies are the BEST of the LOT. Fuck off if you don't agree.

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I think this post very eloquently speaks for itself!

Thanks 👍

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I'm not going to condemn or support Pixar, but using bugs or cars isn't limiting any more than humans are. Stories get told with different media and premises all the time, and you can't exhaust those. You can no more run out of "movies about toys" than you can "movies about romance" or "cartoons".

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I haven't watched a lot of Pixar films lately, but they were starting to feel "samey" to me, and I think you've isolated some of the reason why. The first few films were neat, but aside from "full CGI movies" they weren't that distinguishable from other animated movies. Very good, very high quality, but not top-of-the-heap. Toy Story is funny, touching, and a good family film. But it's nowhere near the heights Pixar would achieve.

WALL-E is my favourite, followed by the Incredibles, and then probably Up.

With Up, I think Pixar found out that people talked more about the first fifteen minutes than the rest of the movie (although people still go, "SQUIRREL!"). The touching story of the couple with dreams who find out that life gets in the way was perfect in-and-of-itself, and it was moving. It was relatable for so many people, tragic, a little bittersweet, but captivating.

Moving forward, I think Pixar has been trying to be touching. They aren't just trying to make good movies, they're trying to make audiences cry. Or, perhaps more to the point, they're trying to make audiences have more Opening Sequence From Up conversations/reactions again.

The best Pixar films put story first and seemed not to worry so much about "is it funny?" or "will they cry?" They felt more creative. I think exploring human ideas and stories using monsters or bugs might help, too, because they can creatively satirize our societies, or come at humanity from an oblique "outsider's" angle.

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Inside Out and Coco certainly made audiences cry, but I personally love Coco because that whole movie is what I believe to be Pixar's answer to "Spirited Away", which is always a plus in my book.

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Yeah, completely agree. I wonder if the Disney takeover had anything to do with it?

I think Wall-E possibly came out after the takeover but would obviously have been in the pipeline before. If you go from the original Toy Story to Wall-E, you've got a gap of ~ 12 years to reach what I'd probably agree is close to being their best film. Another 12 years on and we are where we are now with Soul. Not really the same leap forward.

Maybe Disney viewed (/ views) Pixar as their animation branch which makes these sentimental movies, as that was a big part in Pixar's success but they've just lost the point that you need a good story in there as well...

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I think at first they were desperate, just lucky to get movies made (Toy Story 2 was turned from a direct-to-video into another cinema release by sheer willpower), and then they were accelerating fast, able to pick projects they wanted to do. With each success, though, is the need to get more success. Eventually, you analyze it and find the "formula", and after that, it just gets formulaic...

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I barely remember an interview about WALL-E where they talked about some 4 original film ideas when Pixar first formed, I believe it was WALL-E, Toy Story, Cars, and Finding Nemo. I've never been able to find this again, but it stuck with me.

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Up was a strange film ill remember for a long time. Taken in general it was not a spectacular film nor was it plot, but the way it was delivered... The opening scenes where you see the main characters life go by in fast motion had me crying. This is one of three films that ever managed to make me do that and has lead to quite some introspection. I like Pixars new direction.

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