You can't say yes, because there are no facts, you can't say no because there are no facts?
But what you can say is the following: Thor, Zeus, Ra, Vishnu are all possible gods, in fact there is an infinite amount of possible gods. But you can't say anythng about them, because you have no evidence that their literature is real. Where every answer is possible every answer is meaningless. Therefore there is no god.
You must be or should be a politician - so many words that mean so little :)
shareNo, he's just a satanist troll, preying on gullible and kids.
He even listed some names of satan. lol.
No, he's just a satanist troll, preying on gullible and kids.
He even listed some names of satan. lol.
i share the same view, religions are the most evil thing humanity invented and are the primary tool to stir conflict and justify it.
shareBy the way Thor, Zeus, Ra and Vishnu are in no way satanic you twit.
Maybe Pagan Gods are seen as Satanic. They would be classed as False in Christian teachings. Because we [they]are soooo much better than anyone else. This was just a story pointing out the dangers of Promethean [a la Frankenstein] experiments. Personally I was going along quite interested in the first third [as others suggest] and was really hopeful. It just turned into a typical monster killing everyone tale. I did like the explanation given about hell though. I do usually like the explanations some writers [invent] for the unknown and this included the very early explanation for Near Death experiences. Wonder if that rush of chemical moments before death is an actual fact.
Satan is Satanic .. "False" Gods are heresy not satanic.. In fact Satanists are not heretics .. :D
sharejust like how those very same intelligent people create politics of fear and use terrorism to further their own goals and fear people into submission
gotcha
He did not. Thor is a Viking god; Zeus, Greek; Ra, Egyptian and Vishnu, Hindu. None of them have anything to do with Satan.
And not agreeing with your religion, or saying that god does not exists does not make anyone a Satanist.
On the other hand, saying someone is Satanist because he listed some of the most known god of the most known mythologies, makes your statement utterly stupid.
Think like this instead:
Humans want gods (= entities that created/explain/motivate life, the universe and everything), so gods are created by humans. That's no proof that any gods exist. Instead it's actually proof of the opposite, as there's no sign of a god anywhere, and you have to be pretty gullible to believe anything stated in the religious fan fiction, of course written by humans that either want a god and/or that want to control people that want a god.
In other words "Why should a god exist just because we want one (or hundred)?"
Consider Paradise Lost, Dante's Inferno etc in parallel to The Book of Revelations. The first two are known by all as pure fiction, the third one is somehow "the word of God". Weird right? Because it's older? Because humans were somehow less intelligent or creative at that time?
Paradise Lost and Divine Comedy are many orders of magnitude better, more imaginative and with much much higher literary value than the crappy Book of Revelations.
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You're asking the wrong question - I believe the question should be "Does it matter if there is a god?"
People also need to define what a god is and what it means before jumping to all these conclusions.
What if a computer simulation we created in another dimension is the god?
What if there is a god and there is no afterlife and vice versa?
Is there a life after the afterlife?
If god created us who created god?
If god created himself doesn't this make it more likely the universe was created by itself?
Our brains aren't wired for effect without cause so just appearing out of a big bang then dying is hard for certain people to conceptualize.
I wish religious people would get on with their lives and stop pushing their dumb ideas on others without thinking them through.
I liked this movie - even though it was poorly executed - as it put the onus of responsibility on us, being trapped by our own beliefs (the cross she wore) and us being able to manifest anything with our own minds.
Not sure about how killing a load of people gets you out of being stuck in a personal guilt hell, but whatever.
If god created us who created god?
If god created himself doesn't this make it more likely the universe was created by itself?
Glad we could clear that up.
Change the word "he" to "it" and remove all the whistles and bells and you could be onto something.
Nobody created God,
Thats what you believe, i believe he created us and all the rest.
sharethats what you believe.
what we KNOW is that we came from a process called evolution, we were not created, we came to be after millions of years of mutations and adaptations, in which the fittest survived,and the weaker perished and vanished.
Life itself came to be because chemical reactions that formed proteins, over millions and millions and millions and millions of years of phenomena happening in pools of chemicals.
THERE IS NO SUPREME BEING, but if you wish to assume that there is go ahead, also... if you want to assume he chose a middle eastern peasant barely out of the bronze age, after millions upon millions of years of chance, to give away to his creations his will...well thats your prerogative also.
Again thats what you believe.
Were you there?
Have you seen it all happen?
No because you do not have proof, no one have, you believe it happens that way, and thinking does NOT make it true.
We NEVER have seen a animal giving birth to a totally different animal (in nature), and we also have no proof it happened millions of years ago.
You say the fittest (strongest) survived ,and the weaker perished and vanished, then why are there so many weak people with power and or money then?
And when a wale eat a group of fish, is it not the fish with the most luck survives, and not the fittest (strongest).
So no we do not KNOW it came from a process called evolution, they believe it came from a process called evolution.
"No because you do not have proof, no one have, you believe it happens that way, and thinking does NOT make it true."
That goes for you believing in a god as well. There's far more evidence for evolution than there is for a God (for which there is none).
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Jeezus, you are virtually brain dead.
shareJeezus, you are virtually brain dead.
I dont think Jesus was brain dead.
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In science, everything is a theory.
The word theory, in science, does not have the same linguistic meaning layman's term for theory.
The way the scientific model is created theories are only ever able to become stronger rather than proven.
Science does not actually use the word fact. In science there is no such thing. The reason for this is because truth in science is never final and what is accepted as a fact today may be modified or even discarded tomorrow.
In science the word theory does not mean a "guess" or an "idea" but instead means a collection of validated evidence. Validated evidence would be what the layman would call facts. These are items that have been proven over and over again.
These individual validated items come together like atoms to create a large thing and that thing is called a theory.
As stated by Psychology Today:
A scientific theory is a well-substantiated explanation of some aspect of the natural world, based on a body of facts (validated evidence) that have been repeatedly confirmed through observation and experiment. Such fact-supported theories are not "guesses" but reliable accounts of the real world.
Marry me!!! Seriously though, that explanation was beautiful!
...and in conclusion that is why squirrels should always wear pants.
Marry me!!! Seriously though, that explanation was beautiful!
...and in conclusion that is why squirrels should always wear pants.
Excellent scientific explanation :D
Unfortunately, the fact that you (and many other scientists who believe in god) have changed your belief system to accommodate god in science illustrates that religion/god etc. is nothing more than a construct designed to comfort and influence people's behaviour.
I applaud all those who do good regardless of their beliefs and admit that religion can also be used for good and that the core teachings of all religions are basically good and altruistic. However, it is the organisations built around any of these religions that are responsible for the harm and corruption of the core teachings.
Let my add my 2 cents to the above.
A scientific theory usually starts as a hypothesis. An even wilder, more improbable hypothesis is called a conjecture. Both, when proven, become theories.
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You couldn't be more wrong.
We could discuss how the evolutionary porcess worked exactly on our species over million of years, but YES there is proof about how genetics and evolution works. Actually, that's what they fo with the animals in the farms, selecting the ones with the qualities they want to breed, making this traits more strong and frequent. That's what Darwin observed and how he started the theory of evolution that, today, it is a fact.
And, by the way, this is something that does not need necessarily to be oposed to religion, actually, one of the biggest names in the origins of genetics is father Gregor Mendel, a priest.
You do realize that there are different definitions of theory right? The one used by science depicts "a coherent group of tested general propositions, commonly regarded as correct, that can be used as principles of explanation and prediction for a class of phenomena"
In other words, it remains a theory until it can be proven true in every single case which of course is impossible for most theories, so they are not called laws.
Just like The Theory of Gravity (I hope you believe in that!) The Theory of Relativity (a proven theory but may be manipulated through quantum physics so not a law) Quantum Theory (And with out it, we wouldn't have any of the technology we need to have this conversation) Oxygen Theory of Combustion (We know we need oxygen to burn stuff, you do realize the importance of this theory right?) untold amounts of mathematical theories that all computers rely on like the Pythagorean theorem (You must at least have heard of this one!)
To put it in terms easier to understand, the reason for this is science likes to be exacting and when there are small bits and pieces that may need to be updated over time but won't change the overall perspective of the proposed law, it remains a theory, regardless of how much overall proof there may be. By no means does this intone that it isn't true only that the entire truth has yet to be discovered.
Your conclusion is not only false, but showing a complete misunderstanding of the nature of science. You should study up and read more about the scientific method and basic science and perhaps less religious propaganda.
YES you DO have the burden of PROOF. It is the responsibility of the one making the claim to provide proof not the other way around. This is how it works in all aspects of science, our judicial system, and most aspects of everyday life. Faith isn't proof. You are stating you don't believe in evolution because of a lack of proof (of which there is tons), yet you insist you are correct because you have faith. That is a contradiction of logic.
If you were a defense attorney in court you won't be winning many cases if your only defense is you have faith the defendant didn't do it.
Continue clinging to faith, and be left behind, or let it go and grow into the future, that is the choice most religious people will face in the next several decades. I just hope the ones who decide to stick with faith don't destroy the rest of the world in the process.
A most excellent post! :D
shareit's honestly super scary how stupi-- i mean, misinformed you are.
shareWere you there?
Have you seen it all happen?
No because you do not have proof, no one have, you believe it happens that way, and thinking does NOT make it true.
We NEVER have seen a animal giving birth to a totally different animal (in nature), and we also have no proof it happened millions of years ago.
You say the fittest (strongest) survived ,and the weaker perished and vanished, then why are there so many weak people with power and or money then?
And when a wale eat a group of fish, is it not the fish with the most luck survives, and not the fittest (strongest).
So no we do not KNOW it came from a process called evolution, they believe it came from a process called evolution.
Were you there?
Have you seen it all happen?
We NEVER have seen a animal giving birth to a totally different animal (in nature), and we also have no proof it happened millions of years ago.
You say the fittest (strongest) survived ,and the weaker perished and vanished, then why are there so many weak people with power and or money then?
how do you know?
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> Nobody created God, he was always here, he was here before time, because he made time, he made everything, there was no before.
Do you have any proof of that, or did you and your elders just make that up to cover up all the inconsistencies in your theory of the universe?
> but because he made everything including time he is outside that.
Well, you know what? My God created your God because my God lives outside of the realm that your God lives in. Your God can't even begin to understand my God.
You will, of course, deny that my God exists. But, that's okay. My God understands that He is way too complex for followers of your God to comprehend. My God is kind and benevolent and He will save you and others like you (and your God) because he loves everyone and He will not hold it against you that you worship a lesser God.
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Time is not fixed and indeed malleable so our universe does NOT revolve around time.
shareI wish atheists would get on with their lives and stop pushing their dumb ideas on others without thinking them through.
Right on that, as soon as people stop thinking Atheism is worse than pedophilia.
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> I wish atheists would get on with their lives
Perhaps you don't know any Atheists; they don't often talk about how every little thing in the universe is NOT controlled by a magic being. The only time they do talk about it is in response to a religious nut praising God for common, everyday events.
Religious nuts always start religious debates, but atheists never do start them.
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Yeah, except you're wrong. This thread was started by an atheist.
I don't love her.. She kicked me in the face!!
> Yeah, except you're wrong. This thread was started by an atheist.
You obviously don't actually know any atheists since you describe them so inaccurately. Oh, you may have seen thread started by one, but that's about the extent of your knowledge.
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Whatever.....
I don't love her.. She kicked me in the face!!
Whatever.....
Two seconds. No point in arguing how many atheists I know with you even thoough I probably know more than I know Christians.
I don't love her.. She kicked me in the face!!
> Two seconds. No point in arguing how many atheists I know with you even thoough I probably know more than I know Christians.
Would you like to hear my two-second summary of Christians?
Nah. You probably wouldn't.
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Sure. Go ahead with your childish insults that are meaningless.
I don't love her.. She kicked me in the face!!
> Sure. Go ahead with your childish insults that are meaningless.
And, like a true Christian, you've already dismissed anyone else's comments even before they say them.
At this point, I don't really have to add anything; you've just gone ahead and already made yourself look intolerant.
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You should read what I wrote about YOUR right to your beliefs. How have I been intorrant? By stating that your beliefs and OPINIONS are not fact?
I don't love her.. She kicked me in the face!!
Two seconds. No point in arguing how many atheists I know with you even thoough I probably know more than I know Christians.
It was all that was needed to give an honest answer.
I don't love her.. She kicked me in the face!!
Religious nuts always start religious debates, but atheists never do start them.
In the sea of infinity and given enough time, a species can become God-like through technology and mastering the laws of the Universe/s. So, yes. If you really think about it, God does exist and we are nothing but His/Her/It's play things in a sandbox. I don't believe in religion, but I do believe in the possibility of there being an infinite amount of Gods and infinite amount of Universes made by these Gods. But, I don't expect your primitive mind to be able to comprehend anything of what I said.
shareAppearing godlike != being a god.
shareYou need to work on your reading comprehension skills.
shareReally? You just wrote you believe in the possibility of there being an infinite number of gods and universes made by those gods. I think I understood that quite well. What you wrote is just more religious *beep* while trying to hide it under a nonbeliever blanket.
shareShort answer:Nope
Long answer:Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooope
There is not a single shred of evidence for anything godlike anywhere but there is lots of evidence the holy texts of various religions where written by superstitious men. Yes, you can't be 100 percent sure there is no god but you can't be one 100 percent sure there is no invisible elves either, but you have to be a gullible fool to believe in them.
you know nothing of logic or science, and since you're such a commoner i will answer you with this, the only real god is the nameless one who refuse to have only one name, since when he was there and there was nothing else, he didn't need to have a name or a reference of any kind. ancient egyptian scripts talked about such god.
i mostly will not be able to answer your reply, since marissa mayer hacked my email, no notification
The ancient egyptians also used animal dung to heal maladies of the flesh and bone, often making it much worse in the process. They where a primitive people, quick to believe in folktales and superstition. Funnily enough, mankind is still quite primitive since it continue to think ancient gods and myths are true.
shareactually ancient egyptians considered that nameless god as a demon and threat for their name-full gods. but logically only a nameless god can be true.
i mostly will not be able to answer your reply, since marissa mayer hacked my email, no notification
The only god that can be true is one that humans are incapable of comprehending, but at that point, does it really matter if it exists? we wouldn't be able to comprehend it anyway.
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Jury's still out. But almost certainly not.
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Jury's still out. But almost certainly yes.
Jury's still out. But almost certainly yes.
Without going through the continual back and forths, like you said: the jury is still out. No one knows any more than that.
I don't love her.. She kicked me in the face!!
Without going through the continual back and forths, like you said: the jury is still out. No one knows any more than that.
First of all my initial response was a tongue in cheek, ridiculous "like" assertion, just as your assertion is ridiculous. As I said, no one knows and will likely never know.
However, since you asked: likely yes because the notion of something (all of creation including our very reality) spontaneously "creating" itself out of absolute nothing (of which the existence of, is hotly debated ie: nothing is still something lol) for no reason whatsoever (intelligent design) is preposterous. See what I did there?
Now here is where some would give a long list of highly respected scientists that support intelligent design and you would rebut with a long list of highly respected scientist that don't support intelligent design. The verdict: The jury is still out and IMHO, it will always be still out. AND the issue will definitely not be resolved here on IMDB!
We are all free to believe what we want but I take exception to people stating their OPINIONS as fact..
Food for thought: Even the scientific creation/evolutionary theories espoused by the staunchest, militant atheists do not rule out God.
P.S. Please don't demean yourself with the silly, boiler plate "flying spaghetti monster", "pink unicorn", "flat earth" crap. That has no place in intelligent, civil discussion.
I don't love her.. She kicked me in the face!!
I'm (seriously) interested in how religious groups would take the announcement that there is intelligent life on other planets. I understand China had a plan to release a statement to cause uproar but backed out.
shareWhy would it matter if there were intelligent life on other planets? The Drake equation pretty much assures us that there is.
I'm a Christian but I don't see any issue with the reality that we are not alone in the universe.
"Some day you will be old enough to start reading fairy tales again." -- C.S.Lewis
However, since you asked: likely yes because the notion of something (all of creation including our very reality) spontaneously "creating" itself out of absolute nothing (of which the existence of, is hotly debated ie: nothing is still something lol)
Oh, I definitely get it. I don't know who you are refering to as insecure but I think that's kind of baseless and irrelevant to the discussion. As far as life on other worlds, I don't have a problem with it. It's not contrary to scripture as far as I know and I have read the entire Bible.I'd be interested in knowing if you can conceptualize "absolute nothing". I have thought about it quite a bit and it's challenging to say the least.
I don't love her.. She kicked me in the face!!
However, since you asked: likely yes because the notion of something (all of creation including our very reality) spontaneously "creating" itself out of absolute nothing (of which the existence of, is hotly debated ie: nothing is still something lol) for no reason whatsoever (intelligent design) is preposterous.
Pot..... kettle....
I don't love her.. She kicked me in the face!!
Pot..... kettle....
ZZzzzzzzzzzzzz..........
I don't love her.. She kicked me in the face!!
My thoughts exactly.
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The benefits of vaccination is also hotly debated, by a bunch of morons who does not understand how vaccination works. being debated does not make something false.
The jury will be out forever, because religiuos people keep moving the goalpost every time someone proves their definition of god does not work.
I think you got Atheists and Agnostics confused. Its the Agnostics that dont rule out god.
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