'You don't owe him anything'... really??

Of course not. How did you even get that from what I said?

If a woman gets pregnant and wants an abortion and he wants a child it's entirely her call? Or if she doesn't even tell him she's pregnant and then sues for child support two years later he should be forced to pay?

Obviously you can't force anyone to do anything, and it's ultimately the woman's call because she can't be physically forced or prevented from doing anything. But why it's somehow like a point of pride or something to not include the man's perspective on the decision or even have the conversation makes no sense to me. To not even tell somebody about something that will impact his life immensely is just irresponsible and inconsiderate.

The decision absolutely alters his life. Deciding not to tell him vs telling him sets two different courses in the lives of all involved.

"It would probably be better if you actually see a film before commenting on it, especially in this case."

I'm not commenting on the film. I'm commenting on a general social attitude. Do you people actually read before you respond? My god...

The rest of your post is basically useless and unrelated to anything that I've been trying to discuss.

"So what about my example of a rapist who gets a woman pregnant? Does his being a rapist mean his life, unlike everyone else's, is somehow unaltered by an abortion? Maybe he doesn't deserve to know, but that doesn't mean his life isn't altered. If that's the case, then "altered life" isn't a valid standard."

It's a horrible example. A rapist gives up his rights to essentially anything outside of prison when he commits a most heinous crime. This doesn't relate to the basic human decency I'm trying to discuss.

"But if you're not commenting on the film, then perhaps a forum about this film is not the best place to start a discussion of general social attitudes, especially not this (allegedly) general social attitude, since as emvan points out, the film addresses a particular situation."

It's absolutely a perfectly reasonable place to bring it up. Anytime a movie comes up that addresses a social or political issue the boards tend to reflect ideas relating to that issue. Completely reasonable and in no way out of the ordinary.

And it's interesting that you added 'alleged' since you seem to full share this notion.

"So the clear intention, specific to this boinking incident, is to not cause a pregnancy. You can argue that not even informing the guy is simply conforming to the original intentions, and furthermore, taking responsibility for the result, even if in fact the responsibility was shared."

You could argue that, and in the particular situation you might have more of a point, but it still sounds to me like an attempt to justify avoiding a brief awkward conversation.

"I think that's different from, say, the couple in a relationship that has been using birth control and slip up, where there is the real possibility that one or the other has been contemplating having a child."

Sure it's different, and of course the discussions would most certainly be different. But just take the same scenario the movie bases itself on, if the woman after a one night stand where contraception failed then decides she's keeping it, the man can be held equally responsible. The man is equally responsible for the result of the action, can be held equally responsible socially and financially for the child's life (if there is one), but has zero rights to have a say or even be informed about the decision. I'm not suggesting there needs to be a legal obligation to inform the man or anything, but why is this an assumption that men don't need to have the right to even know anything in this regard?

Agreed! It would have been more interesting and realistic if she had been conflicted about the abortion. We didn't even see a moment where she considered keeping the baby- where she even considered the significance of having a baby growing inside of her. She was resolved from the beginning to have an abortion, and then she did it without a hitch. So what.