Why?


Alot of these posts raise the issue of why the women in these stories do not-so-smart things when the stalker starts harassing them. I remember a discussion on another BB about how women are taught by society and their families to be "nice". So when they find themselves in what initially just seems like an awkward situation, they don't know how to tell somebody to back off.
Example: Karen with her neighbor Carlito. She agreed to have coffee with him, even though she wasn't really interested. When he wanted her to come up to the apartment for the coffee instead of a diner, she went along even though she was uncomfortable because she didn't want to be rude. And when he started following her around, it took him throwing a rock through her window to drive her to forcefully saying, "LEAVE ME ALONE!" instead of just telling him she was busy and couldn't stop to talk.
Or Judy, who agreed to meet her harassing ex for a drive in the desert to "end things." And nearly wound up dead when he attacked her.
Or Jane the college student who, when she received a call from a fellow student she didn't know asking for a date, agreed to meet him in the lobby for a conversation.
Or the homeowner in "Garden Of Evil" who agreed to a date with her gardener, even though she had no interest in going out with him.
I remember somebody on a BB who ran self-defense classes and said the first lesson is to teach women that they have the right to say "NO!" when a situation doesn't feel right. And some women have trouble learning this.

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I think Karen admitted at the end of that episode that she could have handled her situation better.

Judy going for a drive with her ex was beyond stupid. She already had a hint the guy wasn't right. If you have any inclination that someone might be trouble you would only meet them in a public place. And not meeting them at all would be a much safer option.

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I completely agree. Especially coupled with the fact that we are taught to let men down lightly regardless of how many times he keeps bugging you. Also, on top of that, the police were of little help in these situations because they subscribed to the whole "it's just a crush" narrative.

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In some cases it would have helped but in most of those cases saying "no" from the beginning might not have made a difference. Like the woman that kept telling her gardener "no" but he kept asking her out. If someone's crazy enough to stalk and obsess over you, it won't matter whether you tell them "no" now or later. I even heard of a woman being killed just for rejecting a guy. Some people just can't win... There are a lot of crazy people out here and it doesn't take much to set them off.

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Example: Karen with her neighbor Carlito. She agreed to have coffee with him, even though she wasn't really interested.


There is a difference between saying "Hello" to someone to going up to their apartment for coffee when you just met them. Karen should never have gone up there, she knew she had ZERO interest in this guy but still went up there. You are making a rod for your own back. Not only that but she went back up to his apartment the second time after Carlito had thrown a rock through her child's bedroom? Who in their right mind does that? Karen's way of handling the situation was beyond ridiculous! If she couldn't think of her own safety then she should have thought about her kids, family and friends safety. I am not saying she deserved any of what happened to her, nobody does, but I still found myself shouting at her. I actually know someone like her in real life and that person frustrates me also. You don't send out signals like that to people like that. The first time was silly because she didn't know the guy but the second time was just stupid! She now knows what this guy is capable of by the brick coming through the window yet she chooses to once again go up to his place? Are you kidding me?

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