Karen! Karen! - Obsession: Dark Desires Discussion

[–] RubyHypatia 9 years ago

Agreed, don't go into men's apartments if you don't really know them that well.

And she's got a restraining order against him, he stands outside screaming, "KAREN, I KILL YOU!!!, and all the police do is tell him to move along? He should have been hauled off to jail, then deported. Speaking of which, if I were her, I'm make it my business to see that he got deported.

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[–] tgordon5-32-957216 9 years ago

Exactly!

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[–] susanbosworth 9 years ago

EXACTLY. And she should be able to sue the police department for them not doing their job with what happened. If they HAD hauled him in and arrested him the night before - which is what the restraining order is for - the fire would not have happened.

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[–] jefgg 8 years ago

I didn't get the end of the episode. An ex-girlfriend had been the victim of a violent assault. The man who attacked her was sent to prison and the state kept her updated on his status. I guess that, like many things, varies from state to state.

If Carlito was not an American citizen wouldn't he be deported as soon as his prison sentence was completed? And I don't think it would be hard for Karen to get that information. But that woman was an imbecile. Forget about the internet. She could barely figure out how to use a telephone.

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[–] Rajesh_pimp06 8 years ago

Karen wasn't the sharpest tool in the draw that's for sure. You would think though the makers of this program would have found out if Carlito was indeed deported because the viewers want to know what happen to him. Karen lives in the same place yet doesn't know where exactly Carlito is? Sounds strange. They said he had a brother in PA who put up his house for Carlito's bail the first time when he attacked her on her birthday. There are so many parts of this story that are sketchy. You get the feeling you aren't being told the whole story.

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[–] drama27-1 8 years ago

She said she wasn't very bright or something like that in the beginning of the episode. She said that's why they call her Dizzy. lmao

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[–] tgordon5-32-957216 9 years ago

Exactly!

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[–] yg-7 9 years ago

I don't understand why she would go into his apartment after he threw the rock thru her window. Cuz he would follow her around all day? So disturbing that she'd go up there. But then this was going to end horribly anyway.

I love how they show nobody being too concerned with helping her/getting involved. Friends still playing scrabble as he's screaming that he's going to kill her. WTF.

"... and I am unanimous in that!"- Mrs. Slocombe

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[–] tgordon5-32-957216 9 years ago

Yes!

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[–] MelNichelle 9 years ago

Friends still playing scrabble as he's screaming that he's going to kill her. WTF.

I actually LOL'd at that part because it was just so ridiculous... like, "I'll help you out in a second, but I need to add up these points first."

And my mouth dropped when she said she decided to go back up to his apartment again... how incredibly dumb can you be??

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[–] drama27-1 8 years ago

I actually LOL'd at that part because it was just so ridiculous... like, "I'll help you out in a second, but I need to add up these points first."

LMFAO!!

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[–] jamjohnx3 9 years ago

Anyone figure out who he is and if he got deported? I'd think him trying to burn down the apartment would match up with a news story.

I just love that he was on the street screaming "KAREN I KEEL YOU" for hours on end and the cops couldn't give two ****s less even after what he had already done.

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[–] caligirlbr323 9 years ago

I have a friend named Karen! Her and I both LOVE ID TV and we discuss the eps. often. When we both saw the previews of this ep and the lady featured was named Karen and a little weird man with glasses and a funny accent was the one obsessed we both couldn't wait to see it! Needless to say the next day I called her and imitating his voice, said to her "Karen your my only friend, please have coffee with me"! She cracked up!

All kidding aside, this man was really crazy! And it was disturbing how nothing more was getting done about stopping him! The police, neighbors, and her friends. My God that man that was in Pearl's apartment with her and Karen just sitting there!

Karen wasn't too bright though! I mean first off the bat when he invited her for coffee, she should have totally refused when she found out he meant up in his apartment and not at Starbucks! I mean who goes to a man's apartment that you don't know, and than to go back again after he already started being crazy and stalking her! And was she really so dumb when she changed her mind the second time when she was in the bathroom, she should have just quickly slipped out with out saying anything. Instead behind the closed bathroom door, she tells him she is going to leave! HELLO!!!! And there he is when she comes out holding that machete !!!!!

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[–] drama27-1 8 years ago

She was definitely the dumbest person I've seen on this show. Lol

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[–] Rajesh_pimp06 8 years ago

Agreed. She had no basic common sense. You just found yourself asking her "WHY" did you just do that Karen"?

The guy playing Carlito was hilarious when he was shouting "Karen Karen" though.
I know it isn't supposed to be funny but that part was.

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[–] MilkWithHoney 9 years ago

It's so clear none of you have really been to ny. Natives don't really give a *beep* cause we're used to it. Lol. We see this mess every other day. Karen should've kicked his ass the first go around.

Heath Ledger Come Back,
This isn't funny, at all.
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[–] justKryptonite 9 years ago

Every other day people are standing out side apartments yelling I KILL YOU! for hours on end?! Wow it must be hard for stalkers to find room outside of these places, maybe they have a stalker schedule and they all get together and divide up who gets what day. Sounds like a fun place.

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[–] MilkWithHoney 9 years ago

Actually the *beep* that goes on would fecking surprise you. Some people have this idea that NY is this amazing fantastic place and it is but if you're not a native and you move here you'll be in for a fast paced culture shock. Natives are used to the craziest things that happen here. So yeah some fool standing on a porch yelling I"lll kill you wouldn't phase anyone cause no one will take him seriously and if the cops are called its because he was disturbing the peace. Other than that if he's yelling for hours I will kill you why wouldn't he just do it already instead of yelling. It's a bluff of a crazy person.

If you're surprised look at the Kitty Genovese case that maybe taken place in the 60s but New Yorkers minding their own fecking business isn't new.

Sure we'll help if the situation is dire, but a lovers quarrel or something that looks like that we'll stay out of.

Heath Ledger Come Back,
This isn't funny, at all.
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[–] yg-7 9 years ago

I've heard other versions of the Kitty Genovese case suggesting that people weren't as callous as previously stated.

Karen's friends knew this guy had cut her previously. How is that not serious?

"... and I am unanimous in that!"- Mrs. Slocombe

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[–] MilkWithHoney 9 years ago

yg-7

Let's dialogue.

Karen knew Carlitos was stalking her so she decides to go to his apartment for coffee for the second Time in which she put herself in danger! Now this is no 13 year old this is a grown ass woman with kids.

So what are you really trying to say here?

New Yorkers aren't all callouse but we do mind our business. When Karen was indeed stabbed people rushed to her rescue.

However don't omit the fact that she put herself in that danger.

Heath Ledger Come Back,
This isn't funny, at all.
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[–] yg-7 9 years ago

I've said it was crazy that she went to his room. Crazy that she told him she was leaving while holed up in the bathroom. I can't understand why she'd do those things. But I just think that the male friend could've tried to scare him off. I'm stuck on that. But, true, I'm not from New York. And everything is easier from the armchair. (armchair quarterback)

"... and I am unanimous in that!"- Mrs. Slocombe

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[–] MilkWithHoney 9 years ago

Karen didn't make any wise decisions! I don't even know how she survived brooklyn.

Heath Ledger Come Back,
This isn't funny, at all.
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[–] amarti76 9 years ago

Yes!!! Lol, even though a beating wouldn't have done anything to a lunatic like Carlito. Would have made me feel better if I were Karen though! In The 80's/90's stalking wasn't taken seriously so I believe Karen somewhat. I don't like blaming the victim but she really did make some bad decisions...unfortunately she paid dearly for them.

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[–] lac925 9 years ago

I'm watching this episode right now, and Carlito is creepy, popping up everywhere and standing outside her building :S

You have to feel sorry for him, though, being lonely and grabbing at any little chance at a friendship. He obviously doesn't know the etiquette for making and keeping new friends. It kind of seemed like he had some sort of mental disability, the way he was acting...or he just doesn't understand that NO meant NO.

And yeah, Karen was kind of dumb. First of all, why did she even go up to his place in the first place??? As harmless as he looked, that was a stupid thing to do.

I've been in these kinds of situations before, where you're trying to be friendly (in my case, it was part of my job, working in customer service) and people take it a little too seriously and all of a sudden, you're their best friend...or worse, they develop crushes on you :S So I can kind of relate to Karen (except it's never gotten to the point where I had to involve the police!)

*UPDATE*
I was a bit pre-mature with my comment as I was only at the first half...but I'm watching the part where he has that sword thing, and W...T...F...?!?!?! What the heck is this man's deal??? He needs to be in an institution! This is the kind of person who pushes people in front of subway trains or beheads them on a bus full of passengers!

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"Could you please get your head out of your ass? It's not a hat!" - Pitch Perfect

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[–] sapphire922 9 years ago

Yeah, he definitely isn't dealing with a full deck. I really hoped they deported his a**.

Here are some articles on this case, just to show everyone that it's real:

http://www.nydailynews.com/archives/boroughs/stalker-5-yrs-arson-plea-deal-article-1.655363

http://nypost.com/2003/10/14/old-flame-set-building-afire-cops/

She was stalked by him in 2003. One of the articles says he was her ex-boyfriend, which is wrong because she never went on a date with him. I guess at the time the article was written they assumed he would have been a boyfriend because it was inconceivable why a stranger would act like that. People knew less about stalking then.

I'm glad she survived that experience. The reason why she survived was because she pretended to still like him in that apartment, only just long enough to escape. That was a smart strategy.

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[–] siargao 9 years ago

If that was "smart strategy" then it was the only smart thing the dumb cow did throughout the "Look at me, look at me" episode.

Her drama queen delivery was that of a monumentally child like adult with not a jot of common sense and the personal strength of a soggy tissue. I imagine it has given her something important to talk about for the rest of her dimwitted existence.

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[–] drama27-1 8 years ago

If that was "smart strategy" then it was the only smart thing the dumb cow did throughout the "Look at me, look at me" episode.

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[–] Rajesh_pimp06 8 years ago

Well yeah we already know it's real. It's a real life documentary.

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[–] Rajesh_pimp06 8 years ago

It was bad enough that she went to his place the first time but the second time?
This was after he had already thrown the rock through the window. 
How thick can you get?

This is supposed to be a serious docu but the guy that played Carlito was so hilarious. I just couldn't stop laughing. KaRen KaRen You my best friend KaRen you my only friend KaRen. I KILL YOU KaRen! I KILL YOU KaRen! 
The guy who plays Carlito was great! I have watched this several times just because of that.

I have tried to find a picture of the real Carlito Perez but can't find any. I wanted to see if he was anything like the one in Dark Desires.

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[–] drama27-1 8 years ago

When she said she just broke up with one of her 3 kids father I LOL. I don't know why that was so funny to me. Maybe it's the way she said it. Like it's no big deal I have 3 kids with 3 different men. LOL

LMAO

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