Worst Macbeth Ever


Those who have never read the play Macbeth may like the film. But as a human who loves

literature and especially Shakespeare, I've found the film really a piece of *beep* I read

the play too many times but I could not even resist to watch the film till its end. I

could not feel anything, any sensetive dialogue; could not observe any relation with the

play's real tongue. For my opinion, actors were not chosen properly and the main theme of

the play could not be given. So, do not waste your time on it. Go read the real Macbeth.

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I read the play more than once and also all the rest Shakespeare wrote. I saw the movie yesterday and loved it deeply, I found Shakespeare in him as it is and I even found more than that.

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The images and music were good. But it is impossible for me to believe that anyone who knows Macbeth could think that this film was worthy in any way of the original. If you loved it, it wasn't because you loved the Shakespeare in it
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original play or film? I think it is a worthy adaptation precisely because it is different from the others and aware that a Shakespeare play is too large to adapt in full whilst being cinematically competent.

I love the fact that certain motivations can be seen rather than being ambigious, which although is interesting on Paper, in this 2 hour film adaptation we need to feel our protagonists plight or otherwise we are not engaged with them (not saying characters can't be ambigious, but in the context of the adaptation it doesn't make sense).

Macbeth's PTSD like decend into his dark psycology is mesmorising and relevant as a subject (as many good films can be). The "full of scorpions is my mind" is followed by a shark like maniacle but guilty grin.

Marion Cotillard's Lady Macbeth though different (not as much of a femme fetale) is conveyed with an amazingly tragic fall into guilt in a scene where we gaze into her eyes as she monologues; in a sureally uncomfortable moment as the camera lingers and is close we are reminded how human she is and empathise despite her actions.

At the end of the day this is an artists interpretation of material and adapting it to the screen. Stanley Kubrick's adaptations of A Clockwork Orange and to a greater extent The Shining have been changed because he found interesting ideas in them and distilled it into a visual and audio form.

I suppose in a way its like Baz Luhrmann's The Great Gatsby; it tells his interpretation of the material showing the chaotic symphony of New York, the ludicrous opulence and energy of the time, and the vapid hollowness of Daisy whom despite knowing early on she is petty, still hope for because of Gatsby's tragic obsession with the fantastical idealization of her.

It's not as complex as the material and isn't as classic but it is placed through an interesting prism that you wouldn't have seen before and is enjoyable. Even the RSC has a tradition of retelling Shakespeare in different ways. I think to say that it's not worthy is a bit harsh, its a good film that is complimentary to the play but not as complex.

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the best screen version is surely the one from 1971 done by the famous paedophile Polanski.

Favorite film(s) so far this year:
The Revenant (2015) - 10/10

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Glad that Polanski's version is the best. I'll skip watching this 2015 version.
Btw Polanski is not a paedophile. Sure he might have done some wrong things, but he has done his time for it. He is now having a happy family now like any other with two kids that adore him as a dad. Leave him alone. You are talking as if rest of the hollywood actors are saints.

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Yeah' sure he did his time?, by fleeing to France on 1 February 1978, just hours before his sentencing and protected from extradition ever since. He forcefully enjoyed his 13 year old victim and got away with that.

Would you be saying that if it was your 13 year old daughter, sister or niece?

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Every time anyone talks about Polanski, people immediately associate him with the act that he did that one single day. Surely that itself should be the greatest punishment and shame mentally to him (to be remembered by people as a pedophile for over 35 years now). Even his family had have to go through this shame because of him. Anyway for the record he was in jail for 42 days in 1978, and around 9 months in 2009 in house arrest.

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exactly. its outrageous that he should molest a 13-year old once and be called a paedophile for the rest of his life. what are people thinking?




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Honey, it wasn't statutory rape, it was rape rape. The girl didn't consent. He plied her with alcohol, she still managed to tell him 'no' and ask him to stop, he went ahead and got his jollies anyway. People need to stop excuse what he did as 'just statutory rape' and seeing it as anything less than him raping a child.

However, with all that said, his victim has since said repeatedly that she'd just like the issue to be dropped and the courts should honour her wishes.

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You can't think that Polanski's version is the best (or the worst) without seeing Kurzel's version. Because you have nothing to compare to Polanski. It's just inadmissible and any statement about the best Macbeth screen version will sound doubtful out of your mouth.

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its becase i've seen Kurzel's version that i can comment with some authority regarding which version is better.

Favorite film(s) so far this year:
The Revenant (2015) - 10/10

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So? You didn't like it, and tsfjind could have like it. You can say what version is better in your opinion, you can recommend / don't recommend to see this, but it's just incredibly wrong when someone are judging the movie only from someone else's opinion, no matter critic's or just an ordinary viewer's one. I don't know even one person who really does this. Because it's not so hard to actually watch the film by yourself, especially nowadays.

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obviously its my opinion. jesus.

Favorite film(s) so far this year:
The Revenant (2015) - 10/10

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Glad that Polanski's version is the best. I'll skip watching this 2015 version.

The Polanski version is a masterpiece. This version is merely ok. I didn't like the treatment of Lady Macbeth. They didn't understand her at all. Earlier in the play she is a very powerful and domineering character. I didn't get that vibe from this Lady Macbeth.

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I don't know if Polanksi's version is the BEST; I've seen it and loved it, but I can't claim to have seen many other versions.
And he wasn't a pedophile: a pedophile is sexually attracted to pre teens. He IS a rapist. AND a great director: Bad people can make great art, and vice versa.

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I don't know if Polanski's version is the BEST; I've seen it and loved it, but I can't claim to have seen many other versions.
And he wasn't a pedophile: a pedophile is sexually attracted to pre teens. He IS a rapist. AND a great director: Bad people can make great art, and vice versa.

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I strongly recommend you learn the difference between pedophilia, hebephilia, and ephebophilia.

Hint: Polanski didn't dabble in the first of those three interests. As far as the general public knows (which may not be everything there is to know), he was guilty of the last interest on at least one occasion.

Calling him a pedophile without any proof though - even when not knowing the difference between pedophilia and ephebophilia - is just deplorable.

Please click on 'reply' at the post you're responding to. Thanks.

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Ah, gotta love progressives.

Making up new terms or digging up old obscure ones to apologize for mentally ill people and criminals, and calling anyone who doesn't accept their deviations "deplorable"

The future sure looks bright.

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Thanks sir, for your educated contribution to the debate. If you paid any attention though, you'll notice that I called NO-ONE "deplorable". I referred to the act of accusing another of pedophilia without any proof.

Only you will know why you felt compelled to launch a sudden and irrelevant attack on "progressives", whatever your definition of that is, but that is thankfully none of my interest or concern.

Please click on 'reply' at the post you're responding to. Thanks.

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Macbeth is supposed to be a joke and it is considered one of the worst plays in history.

That is why it is cursed and those in it only call it the Scottish Play.

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Macbeth is supposed to be a joke and it is considered one of the worst plays in history.

That is why it is cursed and those in it only call it the Scottish Play.


Yeah, and actors tell performers about to take the stage to "break a leg" instead of wishing them luck because actors are all insecure and jealous of each other and want their rivals to fail and hopefully even end their careers.

Now isn't everyone glad we've cleared up those two mysteries of the stage?

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Macbeth is certainly not intended as a joke, nor is it the worst play in history - it's not even the worst of Shakespeare. If anything, many would argue it's the best, or at least up there among the greatest - and it's most certainly one that stands out from the others. Nor is that why people think it's cursed; that doesn't even make sense. So stop saying retarded crap.

Anyway, I agree with you OP. I thought this movie would be alright (I do like Fassbender), but it was just so awful... Granted some of the shots were incredible, and I loved the locations and props; but the way they used the source material was poor, and the added stuff was just completely unnecessary. I feel that whoever made this adaptation completely missed the point of Macbeth. And while I wouldn't call the performances wooden, I found little to like in them; Lady Macbeth was especially awful. I can't for the life of me think of a worse Lady Macbeth. In any case, they went out of their way to make this the edgiest adaptation imaginable, and yet it just came out feeling lifeless and painful to watch - and also tryhard.

Whenever I watch McKellen's version I get immediately captivated. Funny, when one considers that it's just a filmed performance from so long ago.

I'd advise anyone who is new to Macbeth to at least give Ian McKellen's Macbeth a try if they weren't big on this adaptation. It's even on YouTube.

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Kurzel's pacing is what truly buries this film. Its so slowly paced even though Shakespeare's dialogue is so snappy and quickly delivered.

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with all due respect, what is this english that you fail to speak or spell? i seriously doubt you are capable of fairly or objectively reviewing this version.
i've read macbeth a few times too, although many years ago. it still resonates in my mind.
needless to say, i thought this film was fantastic. dark,brutal,tormented, epic and savage. everything it should be. brilliant cast too. esp fassbender and sean harris. excellent.
it deserves an oscar

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I enjoyed it but it's certainly not as good as the masterpiece Throne of Blood from Akira Kurosawa or the very strong version from Roman Polanski. I still need to see Welles' version but i've heard good things about that one.


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I found it a beautifully shot film with some strong performances and some interesting liberties taken by the script. But it's too heavy handed for Shakespeare. We must remember that Macbeth has one of the funnies dialogues in the entire bard's body of work: when the old man tells the three things alcohol does to men. None of that is seen at the 2015 film, all the characters have this mournful expression all the time (Malcolm looks like he's about to cry when he is chosen prince). Also, there's this unnecessary crypt quality to everything. For today standards, Shakespeare's language is difficult and sophisticated but you can bring some light to modern audiences with compelling imagery to accompany the words. At times, the images obscure even more the meaning of the dialogues, making some very obscurantist juxtapositions. Also, the beautiful photography and the art direction are a double-edged knife: while they are marvelous to behold, sometimes they lose completely the atmosphere of the original play, trying to make every piece of action too damn serious and dark for its own good.

Polanski's, for me, captures much better the essence not only of the play but Shakespeare's way of pacing the stories. He takes liberties and it's pretty violent but there's a sardonic quality to it that the 2015 film completely misses; this mixture of the most beautiful dialogue in history, the seriousness of the subjects (predicting psychology in many aspects) and this ironic/sardonic quality that never let the play take itself obnoxiously. The last one if, for me, what completely lacks in the 2015 version.

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Also, there's this unnecessary crypt quality to everything.


Yes, even at his darkest Shakespeare was witty - this was so mopey and "trying to be bad-ass" it was kind of painful to watch, especially with the obviously low budget.

Also, the beautiful photography and the art direction are a double-edged knife: while they are marvelous to behold, sometimes they lose completely the atmosphere of the original play, trying to make every piece of action too damn serious and dark for its own good.


I'm not sure they were so marvelous, but I think they did OK with the limited budget. Did you notice the silly scene before the "siege" where it showed about 20 soldiers outside the castle? If you can't approximate the 10,000 you just mentioned the script, then perhaps don't try! The "dark, brooding" exteriors were the worst part - how would that have ever been Shakespeare's intention when he wrote it as a stage play?

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Well of course, this movie was meant to be gritty, stark and realistic. I don't look at it as "trying to be bad-ass", but trying to set a grim tone that resonates with the darkness of humanity. I think keeping the witty japes would have been silly. I'm assuming you dislike shows like Game of Thrones?

As for the low budget, I think they did a fantastic job with it, despite the fact you could see through it in some cases. Sometimes you have to make due, rather than completely avoid the story altogether.

It's an adaptation, one that's trying to capture a realistic and gritty feeling with intense symbolism and style where budget production lacks. This should go without saying. And of course the figure of Shakespeare couldn't imagine the idea of movies in our generation. Should we just not create adaptions because of this? Are you dense?

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I have mixed feelings about it but think you explained it. I guess it needs a rewatch or else maybe the Polanski version first.

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