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I hated this film, my reasons to it...


Just watched this movie, I liked the cinematography as it was very well done...but hated practically everything else...

There were some points that seemed ridiculous to me, and in some cases even a bit offensive. Have a look and let´s discuss this on the best way possible.

SPOILERS for the plot and ending of the movie

-The Plot -

I understand that Ramón wasn´t an educated guy, he showed by telling his compadre "Where is Germany", I´m fine with that as long as the character has some growth or development which he doesn´t have by the end of the movie.

There are some good ideas thrown around, like when the first time Ramon is shown drawing I thought that would be (and it should have been) a major plot for his character development. Instead it was used a couple of times to communicate (which was ok) but it never expanded the idea that he might have been a good illustrator.

Ramón doesn´t learn the most basic words in german. Yeah, I know learning a new language (specially one as german) is not as easy, but not impossible, specially when his life started revolving on the language and modus vivendi of the town. He was more worried to make his burritos and live like he did when in Mexico instead of exploring his new environment. Really, with the most basic german he could have defended a little bit more, at least long enough for calling Ruth and tell her where he was. The character was stupid (not Ramon, but he was written) specially because later we see him remembering the address of Ruth.

A major plot hole was when Ramón was following the guy where his aunt lived...What for? He already had a home and a job, then that scene doesn´t develop into something, just a waste of minutes.

Finally the plot point (hole?) that most bothered me was that...he wanted to go to US to work to get medicine for her grandma, then he gets money for the terrain and...what does he do? He spent most of that money going to Germany!!! Again, idiotic. (By the way, if the guy that gives Ramón his money knew he was going to get killed, as he was, why the major "f" he didn´t give or tell Ramón about where his money was?)

-Ruth-

First of all I think they nailed the casting for Ruth (as well as the rest of the cast, the actors and actresses worked with what they had and did a great job), I´m talking more about the character.

It bothered me a bit that Ruth treated Ramón as a pet. Yeah, at the beginning she thanks his help and takes a thicker jacket to him, but for most of their relations, she seemed more interested in Ramón as a novelty than as a person (maybe it was my perception, just hear me out).

First of all, and again, she doesn´t teach him the language, yeah we get a scene or two of her teaching him some word, but...really? If she cared for him so much he couldn´t teach him better?

When she thought that Ramon was masturbating as said as a joke "Now she is going to get his pet a girlfriend", I was really surprised (not in a good way) that the movie actually went there and that she took him to a brothel (without telling him or drawing or whatever) just took him out for him to get laid which wasn´t a plot point and, again, didn´t develop into something. What? She did that because she cared for him? don´t give me that, if she had taught him german, he could have talked with the girl he liked (which was kinda teaching him) but no, the writers decided to have a "comic" moment with Ramon´s face...

-Ramon-

The character was well develop and introduced at the beginning of the movie, although he started to make decisions that favored the plot of the movie instead of him.

As the movie progresses we see that he is a character that falls into a comfort zone, he doesn´t do anything to learn german (again), he doesn´t do anything to alert Ruth when he is captured by the police. He instead was busy making his food and dancing with his music instead of getting a broader panorama of life and the world.

By the end of the movie he is rewarded for his....I don´t know, friendship I suppose with Ruth by getting a million but his character is still the narrow minded little town mexican boy as we found by the beginning of the movie.

I´m genuinely curious about how this movie is so well received and how come so major oversights are not addressed when they seemed so blatantly obvious...

I know they are different genres and themes, but even "The Terminal" manages to perceive a little bit better how a guy with a need would react (learning the language of the country your are, working your ass off instead of asking for change, etc.) and by the end the character has grown and we feel satisfied with him...But not for this movie...Tschüss Ramón.

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Totally agree, Also the grocery store girl really annoyed me, she acted like hell. In general I found it boring and predictable,
it was like a *beep* telenovela episode with a big budget.

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Wow, great analysis of a film. You seem like a serious student of film and/or literature. I am too but I was able to enjoy this film. In fact, I loved it, I'd say probably for the same reasons you hated it. I saw it more as a "fairy tale," i.e., an unrealistic story, with happy outcomes that rarely happen in real life. What a novelty it was to watch a story like this, in which the hero achieves his dream and some really pleasant/nice things happen along the way.

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Thanks, not a student or film related, actually just what I felt from the movie.
Nice to hear you enjoyed it and that some flaws (for me) were it´s strengths for you. I guess it´s an innocent movie after all.

Regards!

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You're entitled to your view, but I don't understand some of your complaints.

- "Ramón doesn´t learn the most basic words in german." Yes he does. Towards the end, he clearly speaks a bit of German ("Danke", "Frau Ruth"). It just takes him a while.

- "He was more worried to make his burritos and live like he did when in Mexico instead of exploring his new environment." - Well he finally got a place where he could cook. He only did what he knew and what he was good at. Perhaps if he actually took a cooking class (which I thought would have been an interesting idea in the movie, eventually, since he could start working in a restaurant, for example) he would learn other ways to cook. In any case, making the burritos was actually an important plot element since it brought him closer to Ruth, leading to one of the best scenes in the movie in my opinion, where they talk to each other and open up their hearts without understanding anything what the other says.

- "...she doesn´t teach him the language, yeah we get a scene or two of her teaching him some word, but...really? If she cared for him so much he couldn´t teach him better?" I think she taught him what she thought was necessary at the time. Note that he actually practised his language lessons at the shopkeeper. It wasn't shown in the movie but it was mentioned.

- I actually don't have a problem with the brothel scene, it was pretty funny after all and it would take a long time to learn sufficient German to start dating local girls. Obviously, Ruth saw what she thought was obviously a more pressing need for a young sexually frustrated man. I think people can disagree on whether or not it was morally right but I don't think we need to go into that. You're right though that it didn't have plot development, instead it was a short but funny subplot which most people in my cinema enjoyed.

- "he doesn´t do anything to alert Ruth when he is captured by the police" - In my opinion it wasn't possible, one can assume that they immediately took him away without him being able to enter the building. I don't know how deportation works, if one can make phone calls in this case.

- "his character is still the narrow minded little town mexican boy as we found by the beginning of the movie." - To be fair, he doesn't dramatically change his character, which would be odd anyway - he's still just a young man. However his life was touched by the kindness of Frau Ruth and the experiences that he had in Germany - that much was clear.

Your comment on the possibility of Ramon becoming an illustrator is interesting, as I thought that eventually he could make a living out of cooking lessons or working in a restaurant, or opening a dance school. Any of these would have been a distinct possibility. However I do think that returning to Mexico (if even forced) and using his experiences and financial support from Ruth to make a difference in the lives of his family and community possibly makes a stronger statement of looking after and cherishing your roots. It's not about leaving everything behind for a better future, it's about going out there and building up experience and using that to uplift the place where you come from.

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I totally agree with you with a great exception. You are viewing the movie in a total different way that the director intended too, which is very good actually.

The director of the movie wanted to expose the reason of why young people leave their places of origin and how a lot of them do not break up with their roots, instead they always dream on coming back with their people. Lets not forget that he only was in Germany for a few weeks, it is not mentioned, but when he leaves Mexico, it's winter and he gets back still in winter, there is practically impossible to develop yourself into an Illustrator, a Cook or even a Dance Teacher in such a short period of time.

He did catch a few and practice german words, Ruth and the store attendee mentioned.

However the way you analyze the movie is great, because it means that there is still room to continue the story of Ramon, which I doubt it will continue.

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All that and more: I could not help but think: Couldn't they have purchased a German-Spanish dictionary? A rudimentary form of communication could have been established much better than through drawings.

The music professor spoke Italian, fairly understandable to a Spanish speaker. Yet, Ramon could not understand the simplest of constructions.

And how did 1000 Euros became 1 million pesos? The math is wrong.

And why would Ruth send him the money? I understand giving him a second hand jacket and helping him with 10 euros here, 20 euros there, but that much? In my experience, retired people live on a limited budget, but this windfall makes it look like Ruth was loaded -not unthinkable, but never really shown, so it looks contrived-.

Oh, and the dancing (never mind that Ramon looks like an idiot) but if he's from a small town in Mexico, he is shown dancing Merengue, which is a music with origins in the Caribbean.

I agree, goodbye Ramon. Nice try.

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I watched this last night and liked it. It was somewhat trite and simplistic in places but this was offset by the great music, charm of the actors and the beautiful cinematography. In the posts here for this subject are complaints about lapses in the story and how it could have been better and so on BUT some of the complaints were from people who missed the point of the film (including the original poster) or misunderstood the film or who just flat out missed what was happening. I love the poster here who asks why they just didn't get a German-Spanish dictionary to aid in communication while missing the scene at the end on the phone where they were clearly using some publication in front of them to try and talk with Ramon. And BTW in most countries there is no "due process" if you are an "illegal" picked up by the authorities....you get no rights, no phone calls and you get an immediate exit from the country back to where you came from. This is not true of the US however....if you make it into this country you do get "due process" but if you get caught at the border you are sent back with no recourse. Also, all the critics here of how this story unfolded missed the point that he was only in Germany for a short time....how much could anybody learn about Germans and Gernany in a few short weeks? Certainly not the language!

Finally.....lighten up, it's only a movie AND it was pretty entertaining. Isn't that the main objective of a movie? Don't let YOUR politics define someone else's movie!!

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Sounds like a lot of whining that you're putting out there.

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