WOW.
Why so much hate everyone?
Just stop, ok?
The film was lovely and I enjoyed it a lot.
Everyone was great in it and stop hating on Zach for using Kickstarter, its not a big deal.
People can fund whomever they want to fund so its not like he forced people for money.
Why so much hate everyone?Probably becuase he lied to his fans. Stallone lied to his fans about Expendables 3 and look how horrible that did (although it has made more than Zach's movie).
People can fund whomever they want to fund so its not like he forced people for money.He kind of did... he claimed that if his fans wanted to see his next "Garden State" they would have to donate since the studios would not fund the film.
I've seen you write this in another thread, but even without knowing any details this doesn't make sense to me.
So a movie can be financed from anybody if there is a possible return of investment. Without a publisher / studio there can be no return of investment. So even if you fund a movie yourself (e.g. zach himself) you won't see your money back. AND nobody will see it. Because nobody is really invested in it.
With a kickstarter funding, people buy their tickets in advance. You already have secured the audience. Nobody looses a big amount of money and people will see it. You could basically release the movie as public domain after that. It's a brilliant model for movies.
So Zach financing his own movie just would not have worked. So not only is your idea of how he should have done it wrong, your hate is also misplaced.
I thought it was a really cute movie. A bit too much sometimes but better than most *beep* drama that gets made nowadays.
PS: I just saw that you actually DIDN'T get a digital copy of the movie, which is pretty lame of course!
PPS: Ok so apparently Zach DID get this released into cinemas but I'd still say that the kickstarter probably does help a lot with that. You can go to a distributor and say "hey look: All these people already want to see it and even invested in it and will tell their friends". Which is of course much better than just financing your "own" movie, it's a kind of vetting process.
With a kickstarter funding, people buy their tickets in advance.It's not really buying your tickets in advance... if you don't pay in advance then there is no movie at all.
So Zach financing his own movie just would not have worked. So not only is your idea of how he should have done it wrong, your hate is also misplaced.Actually, yes it would have worked. Had he just said, oh it'll cost me $6 Million to make a movie, I have $23 Million available, if I spend $6 Million I will still have $17 Million left! He didn't need a kickstarter project.
PS: I just saw that you actually DIDN'T get a digital copy of the movie, which is pretty lame of course!Yes it is lame, and greedy. Not to mention if you were an international viewer, the "live stream" was a poor way to have all of your donors watch. share
Everything you said is correct.
He had enough money to make this movie almost 4 times over. This was just a ploy to get full creative control without having to pay back investors. Sadly, 46,520 very stupid people fell for it.
So Zach financing his own movie just would not have worked. So not only is your idea of how he should have done it wrong, your hate is also misplaced.
You could basically release the movie as public domain after that. It's a brilliant model for movies.
It wouldn't work because it reeks of self indulgence. You are the one who doesn't know how business in general or the movie business works. With multiple investors you show that multiple investors are willing to take a risk for your project. And making the movie is only half the work - after that you have to do marketing and get people to sell it on their limited shelf space and distribute and advertise it.
And yeah it might be "stupid" in terms of maximizing profit. But for many in the arts the profit is in producing great movies and having them seen by people and not in maximizing profits. Movies can be profitable but that's not the main motivator.
And pre-financing is great because you don't have to worry about pirating.
It wouldn't work because it reeks of self indulgence.
You are the one who doesn't know how business in general or the movie business works.
With multiple investors you show that multiple investors are willing to take a risk for your project.
And pre-financing is great because you don't have to worry about pirating.
I'm in the movie business, pal.
Are you kidding me? Here's a list of inaccurate things you've said...
1. release the movie as public domain (wtf? already told you why this was idiotic)
2. pirates won't steal the film if it was crowd funded... (are you kidding again?)
3. A guy with $20,000,000 couldn't afford to make a $6,000,000 movie. (he was worth over 3 times what this film cost).
(there are loads more...if you keep talking I will post more)
Exactly what I mean.
Why should I reply more? You are either a troll or an idiot throwing around personal insults and thinks he "wins" the argument. Any discussion with you would be fruitless.
shareAny discussion with me would be fruitless considering you know nothing about the film industry. You've been wrong about everything. Sorry my basement dwelling virgin line hit a little too close to home. There's a reason your last TWO posts have said NOTHING.
shareYou just have to have the last word, do you? The OP title about hate clearly seems to apply to you.
shareIf I need the last word why do you keep replying and saying nothing?
Feel free to say anything relevant (or accurate). You have yet to respond to any of my points. In fact, your last THREE posts have been irrelevant. At least yesterday you were attempting to make points (no matter how idiotic they were), but today you just come off as someone trying to get the last word in a lame attempt to make themselves feel better. You disappoint me. You were so passionate about your ignorance yesterday.......but today you were just lazy.
If you need the last word, please say so and I will let you have it as you clearly need it more.
You can have the last word........just address my points on your way out. (also feel free to admit you know nothing about the movie industry. You don't need to admit that you are a basement dwelling virgin. That really has nothing to do with this discussion what so ever and I apologize for saying that about you.)
Lol you are the one who is foaming at the mouth. Just trying to let you know! Also you didn't address any of my arguments AND insulted me AND replied to two of my comments. So instead of making a valid point all you are doing is spouting nonsense.
I mean really 50000 people supported this project and you call them idiots and for some reason Zack is an *beep* for not using his own money? And you expect sensible dialogue to come from this? Have you evaluated in any way how much marketing and word of mouth this campaign gave the movie vs just making a movie with your own money? Do you even know how many movies are made by "stupid money" and end up on the trash heap?
Also you didn't address any of my arguments...
AND insulted me...
You just have to have the last word, do you?
You just have to have the last word, do you?
him not having enough money to fund this himself
I think it's about time to put you on ignore.
This all came down to wanting complete creative control AND not wanting to have to share profits with investors. That's all this was. And 46,520 very stupid people fell for it.Exactly!
It really is brilliant (evil brilliant I mean).
complete control
not having to share profits
A film with a $6 million budget can make $5 mil at the box office and the filmmakers can make a nice profit (on top of what they paid themselves to work on the film in the first place).
Sadly I fear that we're going to see a lot more of this. Hopefully people will get smarter over time and not donate to these campaigns.
You could basically release the movie as public domain after that. It's a brilliant model for movies.
Ok so apparently Zach DID get this released into cinemas but I'd still say that the kickstarter probably does help a lot with that.
You can go to a distributor and say "hey look: All these people already want to see it and even invested in it and will tell their friends".
Weird, the person I responded to completely ignored this post.
shareI don't understand it either... I enjoyed it and I was quite touched by it (I lost my mother in similar circumstances).
I can understand that people might not like it but I do not get all the hate and the very bad reviews by some movie critics.
I'm so excited, I think I'll brush all my teeth today!
Goku89, agree with you 100%. The film was brilliant. Hater gonna hate. What can you do?
shareWhat can you do?Maybe if he funded the movie himself it'd have done better at the box office?
What can you do?
Same here, I wanted to write only good stuff.
The children were sweet to the grandpa, Kate's character was sweet, I enjoyed watching all their scenes.
Good family.
Your subject title applies to how I feel about 80% of the time I like a movie and go to the movie's IMDb board. Generally speaking, people who dislike a film seem to post more often on the boards than people who actually do like them. This seems ass-backwards to me, but I guess people just love to complain. Usually, when I hate or dislike a film, I give it a nice little rating between 1 to 4 stars and be on my way. Every now and then, I'll give a short critical response on a movie I don't like and explain why, but not in an overbearing, insulting or pretentious way like many on the site like to do.
sharebut I guess people just love to complain.