This Pissed Me Off


I don't think a documentary has ever made me hate people so much. I don't care that they were minors when they MURDERED these people. They knew exactly what they were doing and deserve to die in prison. When I was a toddler I knew it was wrong to hurt other people. So a freaking teenager knows it's wrong to KILL people. And ughhh the guy that was interviewed with his parents was the worst!! He and his parents deny his guilt...umm did you see the video of him saying Cassie had to die?? He may not have stabbed her (I don't think it ever said) but he was just as guilty as his 'partner.'I hope he never gets out. I hope none of them ever get out. I need to go watch a Disney movie now.

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It's not about whether they knew right from wrong. They clearly did. It's about whether it's ethical to NEVER give someone a chance of release for something terrible they did while the decision making part of their brain is still under development. Many people get released from prison after 20 years for murder, for actions they made after their brains had fully developed. But these children are significantly more capable and more likely to actually rehabilitate, while adults who are less likely to change get to be released. So it's blatant hypocrisy and unethical. Locking up children for life needs to be reevaluated and that's the point of the movie and I very much agree with it. It's not about whether the crimes were wrong, they easily were. And they used that one man (I forget his name) as an example of how releasing these people eventually can actually be GOOD for society, as the one man has now dedicated himself to preventing others from doing what he did and making the world a better place. Why would we want to keep those people locked up once they've served a fair sentence for their crime? Life without parole as a teenager is not a fair sentence.

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Nothing drives me up the wall more than someone calling 16-year-olds "children" or "kids". They're way past the "child" phase, they're young adults. They know right from wrong way better than a 5-year-old, they know and they're completely responsible for their actions. 16 is old enough to get pregnant and become a mother, and that's a lifelong commitment and they're pretty much aware of it. 16 is old enough to know that murder is final and has consequences if you get caught. Why should there be a difference whether you commit a murder at 16 or at 20? Jail is hard, no *beep* of course it changes you and makes you regret your actions. And we don't have a "kid" who stole candies here, we have a regular young adult who enjoyed and took pride in taking a friend's life in an extremely painful manner with a knife. And made a video after and slept comfortably with it, uncaring of the pain he caused to the family who found her dead and rotting days later. I'm sorry he made such bad decisions, but he did and he's good where he's at.

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I'm of course referring to Brian Draper in the comment, who killed Cassie Jo Stoddart. A teenager who takes a knife out after being systematically abused by a family member is a completely different story and a different mind in my opinion and doesn't deserve life in prison. But Brian does, big time.

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You yourself are making a distinction because you specifically referred to them as "young adults". If you really feel that there is no difference, why not call them "adults" with no modifier? Because there is a difference!

Nobody is claiming they don't know right from wrong...it's not that simple. It's the ability to actually process long term consequences. It's impulse control. That is why teenagers are notoriously bad at making choices: they do not have the same brain as an adult does

You bring up the ability to have babies as some sort of example of maturity. Let's look at that...Do you think it's a GOOD thing for a 14, 15, 16 year old to have a child? Does the fact that they have fertile eggs or sperm make them ideal or good parents? Of course it doesn't. Our reproductive organs still behave as if our life expectancy is 45. It does not mean that we should have kids.

And that's the point. Either a 16 year old is the same as a 26 year old or he is not. We don't let 16 year olds drink or vote. We don't even let them drive unrestricted any more...and that change has only been in the last 15 years or so. We recognize that they don't have the same decision making ability as adults and so the law steps in to make many of those decisions on their behalf yet you hear people say that the committed "adult" crimes and therefore have to serve "adult" time. You cannot have it both ways. They are either short adults or they are not and if you are claiming there is no difference then I assume you will be advocating for no minimum drinking age or legal age of consent for sex with a slightly taller adult, right?

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Great comment. People seem stuck on whether or not the 16 year old knew right from wrong and that's not the point being raised here. The brains of young adults are simply not fully developed and the part that finishes "cooking" last is the part that deals with impulse control, judgement, fully understanding the consequences of your actions as opposed to just dealing in black and white terms. There is a reason that we have age limitations on driving, drinking, voting. If a person commits a crime as a juvenile, we should not just throw away the very possibility of a future. Nobody is suggesting that we revert to the days where regardless of the crime the kid is released at 18 or 25. They need to demonstrate real change and remorse and it shouldn't be easy but at least give them a chance.

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The forensic pathologist who first checked the stab wounds said there were two different knife patterns on the body, one with a jagged knife, one with a smooth surface knife, and with different angles, meaning there probably were two different hands going at it. I agree the parents' denial is unnerving.

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Even if we accept the argument that minors should be given the opportunity for a second chance (due to their underdeveloped ability to rationalize) then they must STILL prove they are no longer a threat.

That's the problem with the two teens who killed their female classmate. They just came off as uber creepy and psychologically broken. The way they planned that murder well in advance, the way they carried it out and the way they were talking about it many years later was very disturbing.

You can't let those guys out because they simply aren't safe and they aren't fit to function in normal society. The fact that they happened to commit their "big mistake" at age 16 instead of 18 or 29 is immaterial. They were broken machines from the start and it's doubtful anything will change that.

The black guy who got roped into joining the Bloods (or Crips - can't remember) was different. He was a better example of bad circumstances (heat of the moment crime in a bad environment) combining with an undeveloped thought process. And of course he was released as an adult.

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You were not raped as a xhild like jacob was and molested by his mother as well.

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Many people have been raped and molested yet they don't become criminals. Some of them go on to do great positive things and others keep wallowing in self pity and become destructive. You have a choice, you can either let it make you stronger or let it break you.




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*beep* you don't know much about the human mind.

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Get help you loon!

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I just came here because I was thinking the same thing. That kid's parents' attitude explain exactly why he turned out the way he did.

Listening to him bleat on about how he's a different person now? And his parents talking about what a nice person he is?

That kid not only needs to be in prison he needs to have the living sh it kicked out of him daily for murdering an innocent girl and then having the balls to act like he's a different person a few years later.

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I knew one professional SJW who volunteered to minister to the needs of those in the state maximum security penitentiary. Among these were convicts who had been sentenced to very long terms or life for vicious murders. He was operating on the presupposition or belief that convicts were essentially like anyone else and that they merely needed the right influences to get them back on the right track. Among the opinions he was so eager to share was the idea that many of these should have their sentences cut short and be released back into society.

So, after his first sojourn into the lion's den, he was asked how it went. He reacted positively, giving a number of results from his interactions with the convicts.

Someone asked him about a certain convict who had been sentenced for a particularly gruesome and widely publicized rape, disfigurement, and murder of a young woman. He was asked whether he had dealt with this particular convict and what his impressions were in view of his optimistic outlook for the rehabilitation of convicts. He said that he had, then stopped and thought for a while and then said, "I think that there are some exceptions."

That is my thought also, but my impression is that if someone goes out of their way to needlessly end someone else's life, they have by that act of viciousness classified themselves as a psychopath and there is little chance for a cure for that particular disease. Therefore any and all of these are exceptions.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/12/25/william-spengler-set-trap_n_2362433.html

William Spengler killed three people that day, one, his sister who provided a home for him, and two volunteer firefighters. He also shot two others who suffered bullet wounds, wounds that are known for causing permanent and pain-producing nerve damage. It's not like a mosquito bite and no one ever factors that into the equation.

So, why was this psychopathic killer released after he had killed his own aged grandmother with a hammer? Anyone have an answer to that?


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