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Great start but everything seem to happen so quickly moving on in steps of months and years, so much happened in just the first episode, what does everyone think.

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If I remember rightly, Malcolm said later that he told the police that he was delirious straight after the "accident". I took that to mean that he had convinced the police that he didn't know what he was saying to the first driver who stopped.

I guess they had to cram a lot in this first episode. I read an article about the guy in the Radio Times, and there is still a lot of story left to tell.




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Yes thats right he said that he explained away his comment about nobody else being in the car by saying that he was in shock and didnt know what he was saying.

I enjoyed it but also found it hard to believe that Malcolm could attract & dupe these women. Still worth watching and looking forward to the next one


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Really Enjoyed the first episode too.
I think the whole fact he seemed bumbling and unassuming is exactly why he attracted these women.
At his second wedding his wife agreed he wasnt like her other boyfriends when her friends were talking to her about him.
Perhaps these women had previous bad relationships and so were looking for someone a little more earnest. That was my take on it, Anyway....
Really looking foward to seeing the next part!!

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I know that Reece Shearsmith said to a fan on twitter that it was a shame that they wheren't able to show the womens dating history as they had all had a bad time with men and so he apeared to be a reliable, kindly man after being messed around so much.

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As a woman, I have often been amazed at the unappealing, uninteresting, boring (to me) men many women hook up with. Some women just want "a man", and are willing to put up with a whole lot of crap just to have one in their lives. No matter how creepy, lazy, mean-spirited, etc., a man may be, there's always some foolish woman desperate enough to put up with him. As long as he's "nice enough" that makes him acceptable. Although it has been said that Malcolm was "very charming", it seems to me to be a case of "he'll do". And some women are real suckers for a sob story, as seen with Simone in the 2nd episode. Bring out that mother instinct and you're (sometimes) onto a winner.

It beats me, must be terminal low self-esteem. I'd rather be alone than with someone who's secretive, controlling and abusive (like Malcolm), but I'm obviously in the minority.

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*winks* How YOU doin'?

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As a woman, I have often been amazed at the unappealing, uninteresting, boring (to me) men many women hook up with. Some women just want "a man", and are willing to put up with a whole lot of crap just to have one in their lives. No matter how creepy, lazy, mean-spirited, etc., a man may be, there's always some foolish woman desperate enough to put up with him. As long as he's "nice enough" that makes him acceptable. Although it has been said that Malcolm was "very charming", it seems to me to be a case of "he'll do". And some women are real suckers for a sob story, as seen with Simone in the 2nd episode. Bring out that mother instinct and you're (sometimes) onto a winner.

It beats me, must be terminal low self-esteem. I'd rather be alone than with someone who's secretive, controlling and abusive (like Malcolm), but I'm obviously in the minority.


Thing is, that's what we can see from an objective viewpoint, to a dramatised account. Clearly that's not how he probably came across at first to attract some of these women.

Yes, some of it was a bit creepy / needy - but (playing on the (invented) leukemia and grief) but he may have been reasonably clever / savvy at that. At some point, at least in the dramatised version, the wife in New Zealand realises, although it seems to take certain things that play out in the last scene before his final attempted victim perhaps understood more than how he presented himself to her.

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I listened to an interview with the New Zealand wife, and while she was grateful and supportive of the dramatisation, she said that one of the big misfires was in the characterisation of Malcolm, which didn't match the charm of the real man. She described him as more of a life and soul of the party, a big bear of a man who everyone wanted to be near.

http://www.radionz.co.nz/national/programmes/ninetonoon/audio/2602414/felicity-drumm-former-wife-of-murderer-malcolm-webster

Reece Shearsmith is a beautiful man and remarkable actor, and does a great portrayal of a sociopath.

I think the drama has missed an opportunity however by not portraying how conmen typically are convincing and credible. Its their vocation. The viewer thinks they would not be fooled, because the creepiness is on the surface, and the guy just isn't sexy. RS is gorgeous, but he doesn't play sexy in this case, and what's with the senior citizen hair? These were intelligent, independent women that he fooled, and there would be some value in raising awareness that this could happen to anyone.

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Reece is attractive but Malcolm really isn't (brilliant acting). I think that they should have made it clearer that Claire and Felicity had had bad experiences and were therefore looking for someone a bit more serious and sensible, to explain the looks mismatch. Simone's partner seems oafish and indolent, so in this case the viewer can understand why she's attracted to Malcolm despite the discrepancy in physical attractiveness.

I'm not sure why Felicity/her parents didn't call the NZ police on the day it happened. How was he able to retrieve his passport, pack, and get a flight?

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Good point, rdavies23, about how he got out of NZ. We see him running off with nothing, then next thing we know he's got a good job in Scotland. I guess the how and why are "unimportant details" when trying to cram this story into a 3-parter, but it would be interesting to know. I don't imagine he always carried his passport with him, and maybe at the time he didn't need a passport to travel between NZ and UK, like you didn't used to need one to travel between US and Canada until recent years. I have no idea; just speculation. I'd like to know how a guy runs off with nothing but the clothes on his back and lands on his feet in another country.

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I have to say, I was a bit puzzled about how he got out of NZ without being stopped when I first watched that episode.

That said, there are comments that come to light in the 3rd part that add a bit of exposition - namely being more about him not being able to get access to the son, and her not divorcing him in a way of trying to prevent him from marrying somebody else and doing / trying the same.

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Yes, but that doesn't explain how he got out of NZ and back to Scotland. Although I enjoyed this little series very much, and thought RS was scarily excellent in the role, it was too rushed. Four episodes would have been better, I think, so more info could have been included instead of leaving the viewer with unanswered questions about "how", "when", etc. But no doubt some enterprising author will put out a book before too long with all the Webster case minutiae one could ever want (and no doubt more than one would ever want) so all the niggling questions will be answered.

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Well I can't remember the comments exactly, but the conversation between his NZ wife's sister and the high-up police officer says / implied they effectively let him go, because his NZ wife wanted to get him out of the country and away from her son, so that he / she would be safe, and then prevent him from returning.

And I agree, that and other aspects did seem somewhat rushed or under-explained - but they were semantic details, really - as it's based on a true story, you can kind of forgive somethings in order for them to tell the story how they wanted, in the time available, rather than truly having to worry about whether it really was tenable - because clearly it was, because, largely, it happened.

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I agree with what you say, but my curiosity is about the logistics of HOW he got from NZ to Scotland. I know the police let him go, but how he managed to get out of the country, back to Scotland, and to find a reasonably good job is the mystery.

I know I would find it a bit of a challenge to do that with nothing but the clothes on my back! He must have been a rather resourceful chappy! :D

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I agree with what you say, but my curiosity is about the logistics of HOW he got from NZ to Scotland. I know the police let him go, but how he managed to get out of the country, back to Scotland, and to find a reasonably good job is the mystery.

I know I would find it a bit of a challenge to do that with nothing but the clothes on my back! He must have been a rather resourceful chappy! :D

One thing I'm not sure of - because they don't seem to expose much about it.

When the story starts, he appears to be rather rash and impulsive with spending, and as a result, looks to owe fairly significant amounts of money - looked to be credit card debt - and as he was probably only earning a modest wage, you could understand how somebody could - with that sort of spending attitude - end up owing a fair amount.

Later on in the story, we're told the murder of his first wife, and attempt on the 2nd, were as much about life insurance and pension benefits, as much as what they had then.

What I'm unclear on, is whether he'd blown through all that at various phases, or whether he was still reasonably solvent but this had become his modus operandi.

It's also not explained whether he kept the money from his NZ wife that he'd transfered to his account in the UK, or whether that was returned - so he may not have been short of funds, or had things like credit cards or cash available to manage to leave NZ.

Also, later on in the story, it's said (can't remember whether it was him saying it to somebody - in which case you can't be 100% sure it wasn't a lie!) that he inherited property - and probably money from his parents.

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But no doubt some enterprising author will put out a book before too long with all the Webster case minutiae one could ever want (and no doubt more than one would ever want) so all the niggling questions will be answered.


You may not have to wait for a book to have your questions answered regarding Malcolm Webster. You can get the correct info in wikipedia. I did.


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Ta for that info, ravmeltt, I shall have a look when I have absolutely nothing else to do! I spend too much time surfing the web looking for vaguely interesting but completely irrelevant to my life info as it is! :D

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lol that's exactly what I did.....look it upon wiki. Thereby I wasn't left wondering about the holes in the story. It is a fascinating one. There is also a clip of another woman he was involved with on youtube. I'm the same backofhtevan. I spend heaps of time reading and watching random stuff online :)

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Wiki certainly has a lot of info on this guy.

About how Webster was able to return to the UK and land on his feet, well, he did transfer £240,000 of Felicity's money into his account before his hasty departure, so he had more than enough to set himself up again.

I found it interesting that his father was a Detective Chief Superintendent and once the head of the Fraud Squad. Ironic that this man's son turns out to be the biggest fraud and a murderer. Malcolm probably learnt tricks of the trade from overhearing his father's discussions about fraud cases, insider information. It is suspected his father used his influence to get Malcolm off when allegations arose that he killed patients using insulin that he was also injecting into himself.

In the second episode, Malcolm's father scolds him to sit up straight at the table like Malcolm was a 5 yr old, weird relationship there in my opinion. On wiki it is said that as a young child he often pretended to faint, loved starting fires and earned the nickname, 'pyro', left school at 15 yrs, with no qualifications and lied he had cancer while still in his teens. He had lied about having cancer several times over the years, as shown the one instance while courting Simone.

Malcolm Webster is clearly a psychopath with a charming, non-threatening personality who sees women as commodities to get what he wants.

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On wiki it is said that as a young child he often pretended to faint, loved starting fires and earned the nickname, 'pyro', left school at 15 yrs, with no qualifications and lied he had cancer while still in his teens. He had lied about having cancer several times over the years,


this should serve as a warning to everyone, especially to all here at IMDb about those folks posting that 'claim' to be suffering from ilness and disease...




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I agree, I think with all 3 episodes, things kind of jump around a bit and you periodically get the feeling that you missed something.

Anybody else sort-of wish [would-be(?)] wife #3 would get bumped off just because she's so annoyingly stupid and blind? She's not nearly as sharp a tack as wife #2!

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