It's a standard movie production and I suppose the director wants it to be accepted by more audience, but the cum scene, really necessary?
shareThe cum shot wasn't necessary per se but the director said that he wanted to show explicit sex and nudity in the movie. So...
I take it by this very, very slow increase in unsimulated sex scenes in movies (since 2000's Baise-moi, from my own experience) that this is the future of mainstream filmmaking.
Whatever it takes to draw in the crowds I guess. Because once superhero and game board stories run out, there's nothing left undiscovered but watching your favorite actress getting penetrated and explosively splooged upon.
While your post is not all-around ridiculous, your statement that this kind of film is mainstream filmmaking (or its future) is plain preposterous. The way Alain Guiraudie uses sexuality and nudity in L'Inconnu du Lac is everything but "Hollywoody" and crowd-pleaser. It's not even heterosexual, which is what the "majority" of crowds would want to watch. I somewhat agree that Hollywood takes advantage of nudity and actresses to sell more, but this film is no example of that.
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You would be right... but I wasn't saying that. I'm curious if this is the future of mainstream filmmaking, but I'm not saying this or any other films mentioned are mainstream; I know they're not.
But even regarding the future of mainstream filmmaking this would never be it. Homosexual relationships are not mainstream and neither is male nudity. If this was a lesbian film, then I would probably agree with your argument, but L'Inconnu du Lac is just not a very good example of what you're trying to say...
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perhaps not... I was just thinking aloud.
shareI don't think such things will be included in mainstream movies, but in smaller movies - American indie and foreign - once talk & pressure has finally reached its directors that whatever they're doing in sex scenes isn't "enough" that, one day, actual sex between actors will be filmed. Explicit sex scenes become graphic. I wouldn't surprise if it secretly becomes the aspiring thing to do when a sex scene is written into a script or added while filming due to this new obsession with 'realism' and 'real/intimate' movies. At least the sex becomes real and not simulated in that aspect ... I wouldn't be surprised if most of the dialogue is left to improvisation.
sharein smaller movies - American indie and foreign - once talk & pressure has finally reached its directors that whatever they're doing in sex scenes isn't "enough" that, one day, actual sex between actors will be filmed.
Actually, there's quite a lot of this already. "Shortbus" is just one notable example (and a really good film into the bargain). There's a helpful list in Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unsimulated_sex
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This was part of the trivia section:
The hardcore shots were filmed using body doubles as director Alain Guiraudie thought it would be asking too much of the actors to have sex on camera. He also stated the problem that professional actors couldn't get strong enough erections so he thought it best to use body doubles.
"would be up for it (no pun)"
Or open to it.
Has M Guiraudie not heard of Viagra...? It's solved the 'wood' problem in the porn industry...
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shareCan't see why purpose it served. Obviously you can show two people having sex without such an explicit shot, which felt gratuitous.
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I'd hope that blood spurting out of a guy's neck - something many of us would hope to never see - would be more objectionable than a man ejaculating which is something that, I'm willing to bet, most of the audience for this film has seen firsthand at least once.
shareThank you. Why is no one complaining about the slashed neck? Is it that over time we have become numbed to Tarantino's and Rodriguez's carnage?
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It is sad that there are so many complaints about the "unnecessarily graphic" sex scenes, while no one is complaining about the slashed neck with the blood spurting...a graphically violent scene that we could most likely see on just about any tv show like CSI, or Hannibal. We are years behind Europe on nudity on tv, frontal nudity for men in movies, I mean, when it comes to violence in movies and tv, we're probably years ahead, but what prudes we are when it comes to sex! Ridiculous!
shareWell, to the average American, sex is something to be done behind closed doors and in the dark. To the average American, sex is "dirty," yet not too dirty to avoid, just too dirty to discuss or see in a movie. Many years ago, I worked for a movie theatre chain and one of the most frequently asked questions by parents was whether a given movie had nudity or sex in it. They never want their child seeing nudity or sex scenes. And when you'd tell them that the movie was rated R for violence, they would mostly shrug and say, "..well, that's okay." Violence is okay, but naked people, not okay.
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Well, to the average American, sex is something to be done behind closed doors and in the dark. To the average American, sex is "dirty," yet not too dirty to avoid, just too dirty to discuss or see in a movie.
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Sad that people would rather their children think violence is preferable to love, or a body in it's natural state...not that I would let my child see a movie with unsimulated sex scenes, I would not have, I'm just saying... And if people knew there were unsimulated sex scenes in the movie, which I assume they did, why would anything at all be offensive or surprising?
shareSo true, moviegeek. I wonder how those parents would have reacted if you had replied, "this movie has many nude violent people in it."
Only in our country (USA) is nudity considered worse than violence. If we were all nude there might be less violence because where would a weapon be kept? We'd be too busy pointing and giggling to shoot anybody.
They never want their child seeing nudity or sex scenes. And when you'd tell them that the movie was rated R for violence, they would mostly shrug and say, "..well, that's okay." Violence is okay, but naked people, not okay.
"I want to take my daughter (14) to see this movie as she's seen and liked the prior movies, but there was no full nudity in those movies. She's seen lots of horror flicks, but I monitor the sexual content in the movies she watches. Thx!"
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agreed. there is an obscene amount of terrible, terrible violence in this film (santana's head being sliced in half)....and this guy is worried about his daughter seeing breasts!?
thats whats wrong w/ the moral majority in the USA, imo.
The problem is, slashed necks and spurting blood are simulated. People aren't actually being killed in movies. This film uses real sex, which is basically pornography. Next thing you know the director will really want to kill someone on screen because he feels violence isn't "authentic" enough. There is a barrier between fact and fiction that cinema doesn't cross, because it's all pretend. It's called acting for a reason. If you want two people having sex on camera in a movie, you simulate it, because it's called acting. If you want actual sex, then you've basically crossed into pornography, which is totally fine, but at least own up to to it... don't try to convince people it's cinema anymore. People go to the movies to experience cinema, not pornography. I'm not making a moral judgement about porn, but at least give people a choice. If I want to watch porn I'll watch it, if I want to watch a movie, I don't expect cum shots and real sex and that's a valid concern.
I will also say that graphic sex scenes that ARE simulated are an entirely different matter. That's just a matter of how explicit the storyteller wants to tell his story. Movies like Basic Instinct or 9 1/2 Weeks are intense, but they're still just pretend.
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Certainly. Just flipping through cop shows on TV produces scenes far more graphic than the murder scene. I was more taken by that than the "cum shots", which I am more familiar with seeing in real life haha.
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Good point. Doesn't feel gratuitous now.
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