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The ending?? Need some splainin


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Ok, after nodding off for a few minutes in the middle of the movie, I followed this slow moving tale to the end. She reveals that her partner Mark is shot in the head because she wouldn't stop talking. What happens then? It showed her making a phone call & announcing that she was "back in New York". Then it shows her with the gal who wanted an abortion. Then the girl appears to try to leave. Were they in New York? It didn't look like it. Why & how was the girl there with her? Why did she run off in the final scene. What happened & what does all this mean? (I realize my little nap may have answered some of this).

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I can't answer your questions as they are basically the same as mine, and I did not fall asleep!

I enjoyed this movie somehow even tho it was a total immersion into depression and confusion.

I found it really hard to understand what anyone was saying in the movie, and how what they did say revealed what was going on... here is what I *think* happened, and some of my questions about this strange movie...:

She and her partner get nabbed by bad guys in some middle eastern country (I think Libya). She basically gets him killed bc she won't STFU. She gets tortured, somehow gets out and heads off to I think Sicily to hide out and be depressed over the fact she got her pal killed.

She seems interested in the plight of the refugees there, but they don't really explain why?? She just escaped with barley her life and got her pal killed, you'd think she'd be done, but no, she seems attracted to the men somehow.

She runs into a young woman that looks almost exactly like the gal in the photo (are we sure it was not the same gal??). This gal is in need of an abortion, but not sure why?? Was it the sleezy rug salesmen guys child, or was she raped on the ship she was mumbling about??

She kind of helps the young woman with the abortion, and says she will get her to France, and the young woman kind of helps her with her guilt/depression. One short scene kind of implies *maybe* that Catherine Keener is interested sexually in the young woman too? (Not really sure why else she would be wanting to caress her shoulder in bed).

Ok, then the end... she has been avoiding her pals back in the states the whole movie, then suddenly calls and says she is back in NY, but really she is not I think, as she has Ben Kingsley's car still right? Why did she call them and say she was back, when she was not??

It seems they are driving a long time as they switch.. But, if they are on Sicily how they heck are they gonna drive to France??

They stop at a market, and the young gal slips away... WTF??

There are some big ships (so i guess they weren't driving to france afterall, but to the ships? if so, then why slip away unnoticed, if you were parting ways there anyway??) and she just strolls onto one like she owns it (can you do that?).

Catherine Keener watches her walk onto the ship, and seems somewhat content.

I DUNNO! I really have no idea what was supposed to be happening at the end there.



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Bravo, Beavertoof: I think you got most of the details correct & in this case that is no small feat! And not to worry, Davidvasher: I think I nodded off too, so I blamed myself & assumed that it was my fault if I had missed critical info along the way...

A long intro but here's my point: I just watched the whole thing again on VOD with the captions on so I could see all the dialogue & ya know what... to say this film is "oblique" is to damn with faint praise.

But I do think I can tell you why Lee appears to seem "somewhat content" at the end. The last thing she does is pick up her camera & start shooting pix of Hafsia (who, presumably, by that point, is either boarding the board or getting damn close to it). Loop this back to the conversation with Albert & I think one is to assume that Lee has regained her "professional stance" & will finally be able to resume the role of recording people in extremis rather than trying to intervene.

Is this an accomplishment? Well, if you believe it's better for us to have war correspondents "out there" then I guess it is. After all, what's the alternative: out of sight/out of mind...?

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ah... thanks for the input.

I actually kinda want to watch this movie again too!

There is an incredible movie: Viva Algeria . While very different, it still reminds me of this movie to an extent. My first watching of Viva Algeria, left me totally puzzled and not really sure what i just watched, and if i even liked it. My second watching left me convinced it is one of my fav all time movies.

While I don't think War Story could reach that status with me, i do think a second viewing might reveal alot. (and as you did, with subtitles!)

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You are my hero-of-the-day, Beavertoof. (Or maybe you are my heroine-of-the-day?)

But honestly, I think you've already done your "heavy lifting" on WAR STORY & would be better served trying to find a copy of “Which Way Is the Front Line from Here? The Life and Time of Tim Hetherington.”

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2480784/

I saw RESTREPO before I saw WHICH WAY & I saw KORENGAL after I saw WHICH WAY, but I still think WHICH WAY is the enduring masterpiece of the Junger/Tim Hetherington collaboration. I was really bummed out when it was not selected as one of 2014’s Oscar Doc candidates.

All best,
Jan

PS: Never heard of VIVA ALGERIA, so I will definitely look for it :-)

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Which Way Is the Front Line from Here? The Life and Time of Tim Hetherington.


thanks for the tip... will see if i can find it On Demand or on my kindle.

Please check out Viva Algeria (i found it on my kindle, free w amazon prime).. would love to hear your thoughts re it.. the imbd board is totally dead on that one, but there is a few posts on youtube about it, so i know at least some few others love it too.

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There are some big ships (so i guess they weren't driving to france afterall, but to the ships?
The impression I got is they were driving to France, and had already driven as far as the ferry that would take them and their car to the mainland. Hafsia though changed her mind (without consulting Lee at all) and got aboard a boat to Libya instead.

It seemed to me both the ferry boats and the cross-Mediterranean boats used the same terminal. Anybody know for sure? In any case, I remain puzzled by the immediately preceeding driving. It seems to me any concievable drive across Sicily would be around 100 miles at most, which is inconsistent with changing drivers and napping.

and she just strolls onto one like she owns it (can you do that?).
Boats to Italy/France/etc. would be closely watched and indeed you wouldn't be able to just walk on easily. But boats to Libya wouldn't be watched anywhere nearly as carefully - nobody has much motivation to act as the hard-ass on them.

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At the end you can see ferries from the Grimaldi Lines. From Palermo (Sicily) they don't sail to France but they do sail to the main land AND Tunis so perhaps the girl was going back to her homeland. After all she was not a refugee but in search of an abortion which is a deadly sin in her country. She must have changed her mind about going to France, maybe also because her brother was dead and due to the bad conditions she saw that refugees had to live in.
Realizing the girl was going back to normal it became apparent to Lee she too had to return back to normal. Hence the smile, she had broken the spell of her own trauma.
Just my 5 cents.

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hmmm.. thanks much for adding this perspective. Makes sense!

Don't understand why the director would expect us all to know.

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No one expects you to know, but sure do they expect you to (or just try to make you) think. :)

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I followed this slow moving tale to the end.
This film is a psychological investigation into the character of a war photographer. The depths of emotion portrayed by Catherine Keener, both through her character's body language and through her character's not taking very seriously things that would normally matter a lot, is central to the movie. And that's "slow" ...especially if you're expecting something different. Advertising this film as a "thriller", and implying the story matters a whole lot, was misleading (and IMHO a bad idea).

She reveals that her partner Mark is shot in the head because she wouldn't stop talking. What happens then?
They had both been captured. They were tortured (her broken rib and fractured jaw). She eventually got traded for her freedom, which we see at the very beginning of the film when she comes out of a building and gets in a car and is badly hounded by a whole bunch of press.

It showed her making a phone call & announcing that she was "back in New York".
The "I'm back" part was completely accurate, and meaningful to us viewers. She meant she had worked through her breakdown and was "back" ready to go to work on another assignment.

The "in New York" part was a complete fabrication, intended to provide cover for her to do something illegal (help Hafsia get into France). She could say "I wasn't even here, just ask my colleagues in the U.S."

Then it shows her with the gal who wanted an abortion.
Given the timing -and her comment about the boat being "bad"- quite possibly Hafsia was raped on the boat. Another possibility: she made a "sex for smuggling" deal with the carpet seller, but he reneged on his part of the deal (smuggling her into France) and left her pregnant.

Why & how was the girl there with her?
The girl looked like the same one Lee had photographed in Libya. (I got the impression she wasn't really the same person, but I'm not certain about that.) Lee followed her several times and eventually won her trust. (Initially Hafsia wouldn't even talk to Lee.)

Why did she run off in the final scene.
Most likely it means Hafsia decided to return to Libya rather than try to get into France.

I'm not sure though, as it wasn't obvious to me where the boats were going (or even what city the port was in), and as still being in Sicily doesn't make sense to me because of the apparently very long drive to get there.

(If the Straight of Messina bridge existed, driving to France would have been straightforward. Even without the bridge, taking the car across on a ferry and then continuing to drive all the way to France was probably reasonable.)

What happened & what does all this mean?
Hafsia and Lee had partially "healed" each other psychologically (that's the main arc of the movie).

When Lee became aware of what was going on, she didn't try to stop Hafsia, but rather just photographed her leaving. It seems to me this has a double meaning. One meaning is this is Lee's way of saying "goodbye" - she's claimed all along that she "knew" the people she'd photographed, suggesting people in photographs were "more real" to Lee than people in real life. The other simultaneous meaning is Lee is once again able to simply record what's going on by photographing desperate people, rather than getting involved trying to help those people.

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Thank you, Chuck. You da man.

no i am db

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(I realize my little nap may have answered some of this).
Judged by many of the comments on these boards and the user reviews, you're not alone. This film seems to have had a remarkably sedative-like effect on a high percentage of its obviously miniscule audience.🐭

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